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Long lasting adverse effects of LSD

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Hi bluelight! I came here today to try and see if anybody has any similar experiances to my fairly unique situation. This drug experiance did not happen to me, but I have been an observer of the person effected for a little over a month. Everybody has heard stories and myths of people going crazy after ingesting acid and never coming back, this story is my experiance with my best friend losing her mind.

I wasn't there the night that C dosed. In fact, the first I heard she had even dropped wasn't until about 16 hours later at school the next day. A mutual friend of C and I, S, came up to me in class and told me that C had a very strange trip the previous night and was still acting extremely unusual to the point where she shouldn't be in school. We were about an hour and fifteen minutes into the school day when the fire alarm went off. During the fire drill S and I devised a plan to go find her in the hall after second period was over (2 hours into school) and escort her out of the building to somewhere safe. After the fire drill, S and I followed our class back to the classroom and shortly after we get back, S gets called down to the assistant principle's office. This can't be good. The bell eventually rings and I frantically search the hallways around the entire school looking for C. No such luck. I walk past the assistant principals office and one of my favorite teachers of all time is standing by the door. I ask if anything is going on in there and she informs me there is a serious situation involving my friends and that I should get to class instead of being around. My heart sank. I leave school with my friend as I was no longer in the right state of mind to be there. Throughout the rest of the school day I am informed of the situation through texting people in the building. I am told that ambulances and squad cars appear at the school to take her to the hospital. I am told that the fire drill that happened during second period was not a drill, but instead a means to get everybody out of the school as the school officials determined C to be potentially dangerous. I am told C was going to be suspended for a long time and S was caught with weed in her bag causing her to also be suspended for a long time.

The next day is the first time I see her since she took the acid. She was very shaken, confused, paranoid, sad, and much more quiet than normal. She was crying to me trying to make sense of everything that happened to her. I understood this feeling as I had a similar experience with an unknown research chemical sold as acid that resulted in complete ego death and hospitalization so I expected her to be very off for a little while afterwords. She told me about her 8 hour visit to the hospital and everything she could piece together about talking to the school and police and for the first time I heard her perspective of what happened during her trip. A lot of what she said was strange and a lot didn't make very much sense if any at all. This was the most normal I have seen her, it has only gotten worse. For example, maybe a week later she calls me extremely excited and tells me "We did it!! You need to come over right now!" So I go and when I get there she is sitting on her computer typing furiously. She proceeds to explain that she has been talking to many famous artists and rappers through Twitter and they have collectively decided to use her as a ghost writer. I scroll through her Twitter that is full of retweets from several artists we both listen to. I am confused as these are all just random tweets saying things I would expect said artists to tweet. I ask her why she thinks they are talking to her and she dismisses my question and explains that through their tweets they are giving her instructions for songs she needs to write. She is almost in tears of joy, overexcited that she finally made it. I try to tell her that she isn't conversing with any of these people but nothing works. To this day she continues to mention how she cannot wait to work with and meet all these famous people that she thinks she is in contact with.

Another delusion she continuously mentions is that her boss at a pizza shop took out a life insurance policy on her and now she gets 100 dollars put in her bank account every day. One day she asked me to take her to the bank and when we got there she showed me a check signed out to her email address and she had these documents that were completely unrelated to banking that she wanted to bring into the bank to show them. She got very defensive when I told her that she wasn't going to get any money from the bank with that information.

At this point, it's hard to even be around her and I hate to say it but I avoid her as much as possible. Sometimes you can have fairly normal conversations with her but in the middle of talking about something she will go off on a nonsensical tangent of gibberish. In fact, most of the time that's all that comes out of her mouth, nonsensical, very paranoid, gibberish.

At first I thought she would get better with time. After my ego death hospital experience I thought I went crazy for a little bit but being a introverted quiet kid, I feel like I kept most of that concealed in my head until I eventually came to terms with everything that happened to me and I got better. But C is very outgoing and most people that communicate with her these days walk away very confused and concerned. It's hard to even explain all of these weird scenarios as I have no idea what is going on in her mind.

Lastly, after this all went down she said she is going to stop using all drugs other than weed, but I saw her the other day and she told me she wants to trip again and this concerns me greatly. She also gets very high very fast off of weed. I saw her take a small bong rip and she was very stoned for a long time which is strange because she used to be able to out smoke me and some of my friends. She doesn't seem violent or dangerous in any way, just very strange and she hasn't been the same person ever since that night.

I have a few questions for anybody who may have opinions


1.) Has anybody experienced anything similar or seen a friend lose grip with reality for an extended period of time?

2.) If so, what did you do to help? Did they ever return to normal?

3.) Should I be worried about her wanting to trip again? I can't mention why because of bluelight rules, but I can make it quite hard for her to acquire psychedelics, should I do so?

4.) Should I consider getting her professional help?

5.) Could she have an underlying mental problem that was brought out by the trip like schizophrenia?

6.) Why is weed getting her extremely high? I've never seen her get so high off of so little weed, this one just makes me curious.

Anyway, thanks for reading if you put in the time, I would love any feedback from personal experience to advice.
 
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5.) Could she have an underlying mental problem that was brought out by the trip like schizophrenia?

The most recent research has demonstrated classic psychedelics won't cause mental illness. (Source: Classic psychedelic use is associated with reduced psychological distress and suicidality in the United States adult population.) I presume she had latent mental illness and the stressful experience exacerbated her symptoms. In this situation the first psychotic break was inevitable. Stress, poor health, ect. often cause this first break in the late teens and early twenties. In your friends situation this stressful experience brought out these symptoms. Now the abnormality takes it's course.

Often the severity of symptoms fluctuates. Depending on the particular illness, the individual could experience great improvement as they get older. They could recover, they could get well. Early intervention could be greatly beneficial. The prognoses varies depending on the particular mental illness. There are people with schizophrenia whom have gotten things in tune and experienced remission and complete elimination of negative symptoms as well.

You should have compassion and accept her eccentricity. Different isn't necessarily bad. Abnormalities such as schizophrenia aren't necessarily unpleasant. Discrimination, alienation, prosecution, ect is unplesant. A caring friend could be great when your friend is getting better, this is something you could be too.

Also, from your description I think she probably took 25I-NBOMe or another research chemical the other night.
 
Sounds like mild to moderate psychosis, or possibly schizophrenia. As far as right now, there's no way to tell how things will go but it's possible this will completely disappear in a matter of days or weeks. If you can help it, make sure she doesn't get on any medications. Schizophrenics who aren't taking meds are twice as likely to recover. Talk to her, make sure she's doing okay. Make sure she isn't feeling alienated. I often find that meditation can help a lot with these types of things, if you can get her to try to meditate for a half hour a night, you may make some progress.

Does she understand that she's acting abnormal in general? If you repeat something illogical she's told you, does it seem to make any sense to her? The most important things to look out for are paranoia and violent delusions.
 
Thanks for your response! You are right I should probably try and be there more for her, it's a bit difficult to see her like this but she would be there for me. From what I heard from others about that night was she seemed stressed and wasn't in the best setting which obviously can really effect a trip but the lasting effect it has seemed to have on her is unnerving. All I can hope for is that she gets better and try to help her out best I can

I also have reason to believe it was LSD as several other friends and I have dosed off the same sheet before and after she did and it had seemed to be real, although I know without testing you can never be so sure. I know there are a lot of research chems with strong tastes that easily set them apart from real acid, and I'm assuming there must be some out there with no taste as it would be hard to imagine there is only one known drug that fits on blotter with no taste.

What research chems could it possibly be without having a taste? I'd love to get at least a vague idea so I can read up
 
Does she understand that she's acting abnormal in general? If you repeat something illogical she's told you, does it seem to make any sense to her? The most important things to look out for are paranoia and violent delusions.

It's strange, sometimes she recognizes that that she is being abnormal, other times she will be really confused when I don't understand whatever she is talking about even when she's not making any sense, like she expects me to get it. Usually what happens if I question something nonsensical that she says she just stares at me silently for a few seconds then will start saying something totally unrelated. It's odd. Thanks for the tip about medications though, she is not on any at this time. She also has been nothing close to harmful to anybody but she does seem very paranoid and admits to being paranoid. I don't think she will act out badly because of it but it's sad to see her extremely uncomfortable and scared in random situations and not being about to do anything
 
Schizophrenics who aren't taking meds are twice as likely to recover.

Do you have a source for this?

I don't understand how this has been going on for a month if she's a high school student without mental health services getting involved. If she's acting this bizarre how haven't her parents or teachers noticed and alerted authorities? You will probably not like my advice, but my word of warning comes from something similar that has happened to a friend of mine. He had been psychotic in his mid teens, but was in full remission (this was something he had never shared with his friends). After a difficult solo acid trip, he started exhibiting a lot of very strange behavior. He started to believe a picture of a model he had on his wall was sentient, and was convinced he could see her changing expression along with his thoughts, and began to have conversations with it. He started to talk about "the followers" - a group of people who were following him everywhere, wherever he went, mimicking his actions and secretly signalling eachother. When I was with him he would point out totally random cars and people and ask me how I couldn't see they were following him. He began to believe a secret government agency was following him because his mind had been freed and they could see that and wanted to "shackle his mind" again. He started to believe that his tap water was being poisoned, that his cat had been trained by the CIA to spy on him, that messages were coming through the TV for him. His parents wanted to deal with it by themselves and didn't seem to realize the full extent of his illness. He started drinking excessively, and one day when he'd passed out in the middle of the day at a bus stop after drinking a huge amount of horrible, cheap, strong cider, when a concerned passer-by called an ambulance for him, when he awoke he was convinced that the paramedics were "followers", and immediately started violently attacking one of them. Whilst the other (female) paramedic called the police, my friend broke the guy's nose, blacked both his eyes and completely kicked the shit out of him. The police turned up, and he's been committed to a psychiatric hospital since. Imagine what would have happened if my friend was carrying a knife (something he had taken to doing) or if the police had been later? And this was a guy who was previously a really peaceful guy.

Now, I'm not saying this is going to happen to your friend. This might sound like a sensationalist unbelievable story, but I assure you every word of it is true. A violent outburst may be unlikely - I'm sure the alcohol played a big factor with my friend - but as illustrated by my friend, a psychotic episode can quickly gain traction and get more & more severe. I'm sorry, but when psychotic people can no longer differentiate between reality and delusion, that becomes the point where they belong in an institution until it passes. Your friend needs to be hospitalized. She definitely MUST NOT trip again at this time. That is totally crucial. If I were you, I'd bite the bullet, think of all her bizarre behavior and tell her parents exactly what is happened AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I think you should step up and be a friend and be there for her now when she needs you, not abandon her because it makes you uncomfortable. Don't you think you're being a bit selfish here?

I'm really, really surprised that the viewpoint is being expressed in this thread that her way of thinking is just "different" and harmless and suggesting to just wait and hope it passes. I can only assume they do not have much personal experience of being around schizophrenics. Yes, it's not particularly likely they're going to snap and hurt someone, but psychosis is incredibly debilitating, and there's no way she will be able to continue functioning. I repeat again, you must tell her parents or at least a teacher exactly what's going on so she can be hospitalized and receive the help she needs. This isn't One Flew Over The Cuckoo's nest, she's not just a little bit zany and outside of the box, she's a completely delusional psychotic, and she needs help.
 
Thanks for your input, no teachers have seen her as she has been suspended from school since this happened, she also lives with her dad who doesn't really give a shit and her mom tried to get her into a facility already but failed. I realize I have been selfish in avoiding her and plan to change that, and don't think your advice is what I don't want to hear, the story of your friend is exactly
what I was hoping to get out of this thread. I'm sorry that happens to your friend but I was hoping to hear at least one similar experience to people wigging out from acid to know I'm not the only one dealing with this. What you said about getting messages though the TV seems to be exactly what's happening with her on the computer which scares me. It's getting to the point where there's really nothing I can personally do to help her, that's why I asked in one of my questions if I should be seeking professional help for her and I think that may be the only option soon if it keeps getting worse
 
Thanks for your input, no teachers have seen her as she has been suspended from school since this happened, she also lives with her dad who doesn't really give a shit and her mom tried to get her into a facility already but failed. I realize I have been selfish in avoiding her and plan to change that, and don't think your advice is what I don't want to hear, the story of your friend is exactly
what I was hoping to get out of this thread. I'm sorry that happens to your friend but I was hoping to hear at least one similar experience to people wigging out from acid to know I'm not the only one dealing with this. What you said about getting messages though the TV seems to be exactly what's happening with her on the computer which scares me. It's getting to the point where there's really nothing I can personally do to help her, that's why I asked in one of my questions if I should be seeking professional help for her and I think that may be the only option soon if it keeps getting worse

No offence intended here, but you've already done the wrong thing by distancing yourself from her. The story of my friend is a sad one, yes, but it had a happy ending. He hated it in the hospital at first, and escaped a few times, only to be bought back by police less than 24 hours later each time. Eventually he was moved to a truly secure unit that he couldn't just hop over a wall to escape from. He still didn't think their was anything wrong with him, and if I or anyone else mentioned his delusions to him he'd say that you didn't understand and that there wasn't anything wrong with him and that everyone would realize that soon. So, of course, because in his own mind he was totally fine, he was refusing medication. Thankfully, he was officially sectioned at the hospital, which allowed them to make him take medication legally, and now he's on olanazapine the difference is shocking. We actually laugh about him "going crazy" now, and he can see that he was just very, very ill at the time.

Her mental health is already pretty bad dude, why on earth would you wait for it to "get worse" before showing some basic human empathy and helping her!? Her "getting worse" could be her hurting herself, hurting others, going missing etc. The longer a psychotic episode goes on for the harder it is to treat, and don't you think you've wasted enough time ignoring the poor girl? It's time for you to help her like a friend, why the fuck you're waiting for it to get worse before letting her parents or teachers know is beyond me.
 
Well I already stated her family already knows the bulk of it and isn't doing anything about it. So let me ask for advice, what steps could I make to have her hospitalized? She isn't getting hammered at bus stops or doing anything wild In public other than confusing people. Wouldn't she need to concent to be sent away? When her mother tried to hospitalize her she refused all options even outpatient rehab because she thinks she's fine. What could I do to try and sway her?
 
Do you have a source for this?

it was actually a study done by the world health organization. I *think* it's this study, but I heard about it in a documentary and I'm too lazy to read the study. Basically they were testing the effectiveness of antipsychotics like thorazine, and when they compared their results to the recovery rates of schizophrenia in developing countries which don't have ready access to those medications, but only to therapy, they found that the schizophrenics were on average twice as likely to recover without the meds. http://www.who.int/choice/publications/p_2008_cea_schizophrenia.pdf

The documentary:
 
It's strange, sometimes she recognizes that that she is being abnormal, other times she will be really confused when I don't understand whatever she is talking about even when she's not making any sense, like she expects me to get it. Usually what happens if I question something nonsensical that she says she just stares at me silently for a few seconds then will start saying something totally unrelated. It's odd.

I would keep giving her hints and trying to get her to catch on if I were you. You really have to get her to question the irrational if you can. Schizophrenics have a really hard time realizing and self-analyzing. Of course this isn't a cure or anything, but if you can get her to realize that you know how she acted before, you may be able to start talking a little sense into her.

Uh, let me reword that... If she knows you can keep track of how she was before, and she knows that she's made a change for the worse, maybe she will start listening to what you have to say. Trust is key. once one starts to be able to differentiate between a rational thought and an irrational one, then they can start working on recovery. I've never gotten this technique to work with a traditional schizophrenic and I've never had experience with this exact type of situation but it's worth a shot, at least in my opinion.

Don't go at it from the position of "You're crazy and you need help". If you can, let her know that you're very worried about her, and that you wouldn't be worried for no good reason.
 
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Thank you for the advise, i hung out with her today and she seemed a lot better actually! She said only a few bizarre things but I retorted by questioning what she was saying and she was realizing each time that she was confusing me and not making sense. All in all, much better than she was, probably the best I have seen her yet. Definitely seems a lot less paranoid
 
It seems kind of cazy to claim she needs to be hospitalized when you don't even personally know the girl. Rio mentioned his friend suffered from psychosis prior to the difficult acid trip...That has a lot to do with his sensitivity and lasting damage related to the experience in my opinion.

Personally I don't think staying in a hospital and getting put on anti-psychotics would be the best option in a case like this where the girl had no noticeable signs of mental disturbance prior to the trip. In fact it could definitely traumatize her even moreso making her much worse. I have had difficult trips change me too, but dealing with it and defining the meaning in your own way is crucial to coming out a better person. Medicine may help some people, but it can do a lot of damage too.
 
Tripping gets way better with age. thats one thing I learned as I get older.
 
I think the younger a person that decides to trip, the most chance for disaster ultimately.
 
^ I would disagree. My mom tripped on mescaline when she was 10 and had a fantastic time, and never suffered any problems from it. I tripped a bunch when I was 15 and only had one bad trip, which was caused by an overdose on HBWR seeds, 20 of them. Only because I was puking everywhere and it was only my second trip. also my limbs were burning and I thought I was dying.
 
Yeah I think age can be a factor but life experience and prior drug experience also play a big role in ability to handle a trip.
 
Anecdotes aside, teenagers should not take drugs, especially LSD. Statistically, it's asking for trouble.
 
This sounds like a first break for mental illness. Could be Bi Polar I or Schizophrenia/affective with psychotic characteristics.

Either way, she needs professional observation and will likely need anti psychotics. She also should stay away from drugs.

I am fairly confident that this was not caused by the drugs, rather the drugs were a stressor that brought it out of the shadows. High school through late 20s is when this stuff usually manifests.

I echo the sentiments above, LSD is best used by adults.
 
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