Solipsis
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an overactive frontal lobe amygdala.
Which can totally happen as an indirect effect from a psychedelic trip, you can't compartmentalize pharmacology or neurotransmitter / brain function like that.
Psychosis comes from an increase in dopamine. Psychedelics act on the serotonin receptors.
Psychosis can result from dopaminergic (D2 mainly?) receptor agonism yes, but also from a reduction in grey matter or several other causes that comprimise correct interpretation of mental processes as opposed to say mistaking your own thoughts for voices or the thoughts of others.
Again, psychedelics can play a role. Drug-induced psychosis does happen even if can have nothing to do with triggered latent illness. Maybe sensitivity to it though.
It would be possible to have a bad trip from a panic attack of stimulants, but you will not have a bad trip on psychs with a panic attack.
I am reminded of Art Linkletter. When his daughter committed suicide. A bad trip is when the effects express themselves in ways that your coping skills cannot handle.
It is possible to give someone a bad trip. The most basic way is to have them confront things that are difficult subjects normally while under the influence of looking at things in new ways. Trust me I've known plenty of bored chicks or junkies who love acid and shit.
A bad trip is technically not being able to integrate what you are experiencing into normal thought processes.
Being really scared once probably won't make someone kill themselves, but an existential crisis a year later may.
If you took too much, you overdosed. That's not a bad trip.
I am contradicting myself.
Honestly, the way you are describing a bad trip sounds analgous to getting tattoos or young girls cutting. Eh.
Yeah I don't think all bad trips are panic attacks but there can often be a fair overlap in dynamics. By all means it's not a typical panic attack but I don't believe normal panic attacks happen spontaneously either, they are usually triggered if only by a minor fear rampantly spiralling out of control.
Sure some people may have a disorder that basically has their adrenaline raging etc putting them right on the brink of panic attacks virtually all the time. But such disorders are not equivalent to panic attacks.
I don't normally like the term bad trip especially when describing a trip that is mainly just difficult but not so chaotic that your whole thinking is compromised. For example being confronted with your own mortality can be very difficult but not necessarily at all confusing to the extreme, like some trips are.
But when I do think the term bad trip is appropriate is when there is so much confusion rather than real issues to deal with, that it's basically all noise and side-effect rather than potentially therapeutic. And that dysfunctional part I think is very often riddled with panic and thus displays panic attack like symptoms.