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Is meth really that popular and why?

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SuperHans68

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So is meth really the whole "epidemic" that the media portrays it to be. Is it really more popular by so much than say heroin? If so why are so people on ice, is there alot of it? Is the media doing it worse by giving it so much exposure? Why do people do ice rather than heroin? Are there really that many people that prefer uppers to downers in AUS?
 
Its the ultimate drug. You sit for hours and talk smack, go on some cooked adventure doing whatever., and getting a root on it feels great+ can go for hours!

Its also very addictive and fun to smoke!!
 
Yes, it is. The reason why we are hearing more about it now is because they are starting to get a better idea. When I used to go out it was everywhere and many of my friends used to use it. What basically happens you get a rush, talk crap and feel like king (when you first start). Once you start using it daily, the chats stop and all you will end up doing is either a) wanking and porn or b) having sex. Disgusting drug imo.
 
Yep. Much more popular than heroin. The new user stats for heroin has been decreasing for years, and many heroin users have switched over to meth too. It's about supply, there is plenty of it around so that's what the people will use. I must say though, it is very expensive for the end user so unfortunately B & E's, home invasions and theft is on the rise and this is directly linked to Meth. It is cheap to make but the precursor chemicals are much harder to come by in this country so the price is paid, plenty of it is imported as well, the risks involved jack the price up. It's like war - it wouldn't be possible if the soldiers didn't turn up - if people are prepared to pay the price then the cost will remain.

A lot of social problems come from the use of this drug. Meth can be directly linked to many crimes, as mentioned above - theft, domestic violence rape and murder. It hyper-sexualises males so unprotected sex is on the rise for this portion of the population, straight males will experiment with homo-sexuality where STD's have always been more common (No offence meant here) so the spread of disease from homo to hetero and back again is prevalent and kept quiet cos straight males will be unlikely to tell their female companions of such risks they have taken. The spread of disease amongst homosexual males rises due to the aforementioned hyper-sexuality that meth often delivers.

It's a shocker that's for sure.

The usual tricks by dealers are engaged in - Start out offering highest quality for a more reasonable price, then gradually drop the quality and raise the price. The user will try harder and harder to chase that initial high but cannot get there because the quality has dropped and the price rises so - More crime, more depression and more use with less satisfaction.

I've always been an advocate of controlling drug prices and quality through some sort of legalisation. I reckon if people got a pure drug in a more controlled environment then the novelty would wear off for most people (Except those with a tendency for addiction). When the quality is high, less crimes are associated with the acquisition of said drug. It's when the user has to chase the high that they start to get more desperate. But legalisation is a frightening prospect for many. Understandably so.

I'm pretty sure in places where legalisation of drugs exists there is a sharp drop in the take up of new users. If you tell a human they can't have this or that then the appeal to do whatever they can't do increases. Curiosity peaks in this situation. It's part of being an emotional being - it's in our nature to explore the forbidden and taboo. Remove the restrictions and eventually that curiosity is satisfied. If anyone can do it then the appeal lessens. This has been my experience and observation.
 
SuperHans68 said:
So is meth really the whole "epidemic" that the media portrays it to be. Is it really more popular by so much than say heroin? If so why are so people on ice, is there alot of it? Is the media doing it worse by giving it so much exposure? Why do people do ice rather than heroin? Are there really that many people that prefer uppers to downers in AUS?
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I think Heroin isn't as available in a lot of a places as Meth is widely available. I think during the early 2000s there was a shortage of H and a lot of IV people started using Meth instead. Also in the late 2000s there was less MDMA available so a lot of party people could only get Meth and started including that in their night out instead.

Also the prevalence of people smoking Meth makes it a little bit more accessible as it's not a huge difference from passing a bong around. Heroin especially IV has a bit of a stigma attached to it.

I'm sure heaps of Aussies love downers but they aren't as visible unless there is a spate of OD's then the media jumps all over it. But right now the media, the government and the public have their gaze firmly on that meth pipe.
 
@ Triplies ^ Yeah I take your point. I think those that already had a tendency to steal, do B & E's etc probably engage in that activity more so for their meth but I guess that's a no brainer. Yes crimes like domestic violence, rape and trafficking are more likely to be attributed to meth use. Drug trafficking was the crime that I would engage in to support my habit all those years ago - I had a tendency to want to use all the time and dealing seemed like the best way to support such a habit. I could never understand how people could afford it without dealing, that's if you didn't want to impact the families finances which you can't do if you want to keep your habit a secret. Err, horrible life on meth.Just horrible.
 
I've seen some of my old mates turn into fuckwits after becoming addicted to ice, stealing from friends, family and anyone basically.

Corey routinely steals and sells the family’s possessions and, this time, steals a motorbike. He tells his family he will get the bike back when he is ready. His father Ashley says: “This bloody ice shit… it’s evil. He’s a good kid normally, the ice has changed him.”

Both Ashley and Corey’s girlfriend Shantelle, hope he is jailed for the drug and driving charges he faces at court. Shantelle says: “If he gets locked up, well it might be a wake-up call. Hopefully he comes out clean and he might have a bit more respect for his family.”
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Uppers are for Party scene and Downers are for Chilling at home scene, made the fatal mistake of taking Ketamine and going to a Rave party.... BAD MOVE!
 
@ Justsayknow - I have the same observations regarding what was available early 2000's and late 2000's. When MDMA became less available meth took it's place and a night out certainly up here in Brisbane involved more violence. I remember before MDMA was widely available LSD was the main drug consumed on a night out and violence was next to nil. People really banded together for a good night when acid was prevalent and when MDMA was the main drug violence was minimal in the city and valley...but once meth was the main drug the violence seemed to be everywhere. Alcohol fuelled violence has always been there as far as I know but it was more one on one fighting. Now you get 10 on 1 violence and people seem to die from one punch!
 
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Uppers are for Party scene and Downers are for Chilling at home scene, made the fatal mistake of taking Ketamine and going to a Rave party.... BAD MOVE!
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LOL, oh god yeah. I remember being reduced to crawling across the dance floor in a desperate attempt to get back to my seat, wherever that was.
 
Yeah i've done that too, i couldnt get out of the car for 3 or 4 hours or something. I could hardly see, talk or walk. Was pretty shit lol.
 
Shit indeed. But it does make me laugh now. Wasn't funny at the time - was a mission from memory lol
 
I'm not from Australia but more than a decade ago I used to correspond with a guy from there who at the time lived in or near Perth; but had lived in Sydney as well and he said how meth was huge there even then.
 
crystals getting heaps of attention at present, but as soon as it's 'managed' junk will soar again. the war on drugs, lol. nixon is in hell, as too should his failing legacy. imvho.
 
People do B and Es ect to pay for more meth I've had stolen items offered to me for cash (for shard) or payment in shard itself it's a sad thing but it DOES happen
 
I seem to be following you around JS. I got busted trafficking when I was 17, folks turning up on my doorstep carrying TV's with the cord dragging behind them rang some serious alarm bells. I was a mess, cops did me a favour.
 
So the actual stats (NDARC, National Drug Survey, etc) generally agree that around 10% of Australians have tried methamphetamine. Of them, approximately 10 - 15 % use 'frequently', which is generally measured at between monthly or weekly. So that's around 1-2% of the Australian population that we would say has habitual or problematic use of meth.

Use of methamphetamine in Australia has not increased in the last 10 years - there's actually been a slight reduction since the 90s. The only real changes of significance are that a) more people are using the crystal form (ice) instead of powder or pills, and b) more existing poly drug users are including meth in their cocktails.

Whether these changes are resulting in increased drug related harms is a different question, but I'd really doubt it's the "epidemic" claimed by the media.
 
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