Heroin Injecting afghan heroin

[menidiatis]

I have #3 which when smoked I usually do 2 G in a day. I want to inject and I have some qs to make sure I don't fuck me up

1) what syringe to use
2) do I need to cook it? Considering it is impure will a micron filter protect my veins?
3) considering I have visible veins can I skip using a tourniquet?
4) do I need to add citric acid?
Any other tips and info are welcome I ll prolly inject tmr morning

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

Please, you do not need to move on to injecting.
I tried it and thankfully stopped.
Injecting will fuck up your veins, which makes your arms or where ever you're injecting hurt, thus making you want to injecting more cause of the pain.
Add to that the cold feeling in your hands, arms, feet and legs you get from damaging your vascular system and that morphine (Which is in street Heroin along with diacetylmorphine and 6-monoacetyl-morphine and other opiates from the opium and acetylated forms of those opiates, cause it's not manufactured to pharmaceutical grade.) releases a load of histamine and opens your capillaries, thus making you feel warmer and along with the pleasure it creates a bad feed back loop making you want to do it more.

As a long-term user you're best off moving on to snorting, it's as affective as intramuscular use and causes a good rush, cause you can get a bigger dose up your nose and in a quicker time compared to smoking.
Smoking is noisey, smelly and you need more time and equipment to do it, meaning you're more likely to get court if you can't do it in your own time in private.
Yes, Afghan #3 can be snorted as it comes as diamorphine freebase, which is what Heroin #3 is, is fat soluble and shortage.
I imagine cooking it up in to Heroin Citrate (Using Citric Acid.) or Heroin Ascorbate (Using Ascorbic Acid/Vit C.) and then boiling/evapourating off the water, leaving only the Heroin (And cuts if you didn't use a Micron-filter.) would probably mean it'll be more soluble but I'm not 100% sure on that.
I know if you used hydrochloric acid to make Heroin Hydrochloride it definitely would be but that'd be more of a pain to do compared to the other two salts mentioned.

If you're not used to snorting anything you may feel the need to sneeze, especially as the histamine release can do this, but with repeated use that feeling will stop.

Honestly try snorting before injecting, nothing good apart from the short lived injecting rush comes from injecting and the rush is better from snorting than the feeling of smoking.

When using a T-shirt (1.5g, yes I know they're meant to be 1.75g.) I can stick around half up my nose (Obviously a quarter of it all up each nostril.) in one go, so the rush from that is far better and hits quicker than attempting to smoke it all quickly and getting it to breakthrough my tolerance so I feel high, which I can't do when smoking.

Go easy, as you can OD when snorting.

Edit :

To answer your original question -

1) Use as small as possible, one of the 28 gauge or 29 gauge diabetic type needles would be best.

2) Yes, you will need to cook it up and yes, always use micron-filters, cause if you miss the vein you risk an abscess but if you use a micron-filter the chance of that happening is very low and I've even used it IM after using a micron-filter and never got an abcess but absolutely would get one if I IM'ed without a micron-filter.

3) Possibly but use one and don't do it too tight.
Most addicts do them ridiculously tight and risk veins bursting.

4) Yes, you need to add an acid when cooking it up to change it from Diamorphine/Heroin Freebase in to salt form.
Heroin + Citric Acid = Heroin Citrate
Heroin + Ascorbic Acid = Heroin Ascorbate
Heroin + Hydrochloric Acid = Heroin Hydrochloride
Heroin + Sulphuric Acid = Heroin Sulphate

Hydrochloride salts are generally the most soluble, so you can get more in less water.

My top would be, never get lazy when it comes to rotating injection sites, cleaning your hands and injection site prior to injection, alwats use brand new sterile equipment and never reuse or share it!
Always use micron-filters, abscesses are dangerous, they can kill you and super bugs (Like MRSA!) that can't be killed via antibiotics are becoming more common.
Never think "It can't happen to me!", cause it can! I assume you once thought "I won't get hooked, I'll only do it every so often!", too.

Stick to smoking/snorting if you can, it's far healthier and the risk of death (Especially if not mixing.) is reduced but not eliminated.

Stay safe and msg me if you wanna ask anything else.

 

[menidiatis]

Please, you do not need to move on to injecting.
I tried it and thankfully stopped.
Injecting will fuck up your veins, which makes your arms or where ever you're injecting hurt, thus making you want to injecting more cause of the pain.
Add to that the cold feeling in your hands, arms, feet and legs you get from damaging your vascular system and that morphine (Which is in street Heroin along with diacetylmorphine and 6-monoacetyl-morphine and other opiates from the opium and acetylated forms of those opiates, cause it's not manufactured to pharmaceutical grade.) releases a load of histamine and opens your capillaries, thus making you feel warmer and along with the pleasure it creates a bad feed back loop making you want to do it more.

As a long-term user you're best off moving on to snorting, it's as affective as intramuscular use and causes a good rush, cause you can get a bigger dose up your nose and in a quicker time compared to smoking.
Smoking is noisey, smelly and you need more time and equipment to do it, meaning you're more likely to get court if you can't do it in your own time in private.
Yes, Afghan #3 can be snorted as it comes as diamorphine freebase, which is what Heroin #3 is, is fat soluble and shortage.
I imagine cooking it up in to Heroin Citrate (Using Citric Acid.) or Heroin Ascorbate (Using Ascorbic Acid/Vit C.) and then boiling/evapourating off the water, leaving only the Heroin (And cuts if you didn't use a Micron-filter.) would probably mean it'll be more soluble but I'm not 100% sure on that.
I know if you used hydrochloric acid to make Heroin Hydrochloride it definitely would be but that'd be more of a pain to do compared to the other two salts mentioned.

If you're not used to snorting anything you may feel the need to sneeze, especially as the histamine release can do this, but with repeated use that feeling will stop.

Honestly try snorting before injecting, nothing good apart from the short lived injecting rush comes from injecting and the rush is better from snorting than the feeling of smoking.

When using a T-shirt (1.5g, yes I know they're meant to be 1.75g.) I can stick around half up my nose (Obviously a quarter of it all up each nostril.) in one go, so the rush from that is far better and hits quicker than attempting to smoke it all quickly and getting it to breakthrough my tolerance so I feel high, which I can't do when smoking.

Go easy, as you can OD when snorting.

Thank you for taking the time to write all of this I appreciate friend

I tried mixing with citric acid and snorting the pain was unbearable. I have snorted coke, mdma, 3mmc no problem ever, but this was so painful I blew my nose immedietaly.

Are you sure it can work just snorting the freebase? I rember snorting ridiculous amounts to 0 effect. But maybe the dope was trash.

Also, doesn't smoking supposedly give a better rush than snorting?

Anyway if I can snort it as it is I will do it, but this far it has not worked. My dealer says it is good to snort but then again that scum is not to be trusted.

If crack which is a freebase cannot be snorted why would heroin freebase be snortable?

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

I edited my first reply, so you may wanna reread it.

Citric acid is a stronger acid than ascorbic acid, it will hurt like fuck!

I usually just snort Afghani #3 straight as it comes and it always works unless it's shit stuff.
Which in the last month it was all bash off someone in the area.

The thing about smoking giving a better rush is the fact that smoking goes in to the lungs and is absorbed into the blood, which is pumped back to the heart then to the brain/body.
If injected or snorted it goes in to the blood, which goes to the heart, then to the lungs to be reoxygenated, back to the heart and then pumped to the brain/body.
So it comes on quicker when smoked but if you have a tolerance, which you obviously do, snorting will get such a bigger dose in you in a much shorter time space that the rush will feel a lot better from snorting.
If you had zero tolerance, smoking would be better.

Heroin freebase/Afghani #3 will be no where near as harsh on your nose as cooked up Heroin Citrate with unreacted citric acid left over in the powder/water you're snorting.
If you can you could try neutralising it with sodium bicarb but then you'll be left with sodium in the powder/water which would also sting.

I'd just use the #3 straight and remember that if fentanyl and its analogues hit the UK Heroin scene again that the risk of ODing goes up by a large margin and to do small bumps if it does, people in the America's OD just from smoking fentanyl analogues/Heroin cut with fentanyl analogues.

Stay safe!

 

[menidiatis]

I edited my first reply, so you may wanna reread it.

Citric acid is a stronger acid than ascorbic acid, it will hurt like fuck!

I usually just snort Afghani #3 straight as it comes and it always works unless it's shit stuff.
Which in the last month it was all bash off someone in the area.

The thing about smoking giving a better rush is the fact that smoking goes in to the lungs and is absorbed into the blood, which is pumped back to the heart then to the brain/body.
If injected or snorted it goes in to the blood, which goes to the heart, then to the lungs to be reoxygenated, back to the heart and then pumped to the brain/body.
So it comes on quicker when smoked but if you have a tolerance, which you obviously do, snorting will get such a bigger dose in you in a much shorter time space that the rush will feel a lot better from snorting.
If you had zero tolerance, smoking would be better.

Heroin freebase/Afghani #3 will be no where near as harsh on your nose as cooked up Heroin Citrate with unreacted citric acid left over in the powder/water you're snorting.
If you can you could try neutralising it with sodium bicarb but then you'll be left with sodium in the powder/water which would also sting.

I'd just use the #3 straight and remember that if fentanyl and its analogues hit the UK Heroin scene again that the risk of ODing goes up by a large margin and to do small bumps if it does, people in the America's OD just from smoking fentanyl analogues/Heroin cut with fentanyl analogues.

Stay safe!

If it actually works snorted, how fast will it kick? Is it like coke in that it takes a few seconds to a minute max, or I will need to wait a few minutes???

 

[Robi]

I have #3 which when smoked I usually do 2 G in a day. I want to inject and I have some qs to make sure I don't fuck me up

1) what syringe to use
2) do I need to cook it? Considering it is impure will a micron filter protect my veins?
3) considering I have visible veins can I skip using a tourniquet?
4) do I need to add citric acid?
Any other tips and info are welcome I ll prolly inject tmr morning

oh babe, dont IV, if you stress WD now, youre in for true hurt, no ifs ands or buts, youre cool but wont end up that way, in less than a month i bet:::HUGS:::

 

[menidiatis]

oh babe, dont IV, if you stress WD now, youre in for true hurt, no if and or but, youre cool but wont end up that way, in less than a month i bet:::HUGS:::

You mean to say IV causes worse WD than other ROAs?

Isn't WD dependent on dose and length of use rather than ROA?
:hugs:

 

[Robi]

You mean to say IV causes worse WD than other ROAs?

Isn't WD dependent on dose and length of use rather than ROA?
:hugs:

in laymans terms, it will get more harsh no matter what and potential for OD increase, im sure your aware of

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

If it actually works snorted, how fast will it kick? Is it like coke in that it takes a few seconds to a minute max, or I will need to wait a few minutes???

Takes about two minutes to start to kick in, you'll fully feel it within 10 - 15 min's.

Intranasal Heroin is as affective as as intramuscular, it's why intranasal Heroin/Diamorphine Hydrochloride is used for moderate to severe pain in children from 2 years to 15 years in the UK under the brand name Ayendi, cause crying kids in pain often don't want/are scared of needles.

Edit:

Apparently injecting does make withdrawal worse but as you said it's more so dosage and time that makes withdrawal worse.
However injecting is a lot more reinforcing/psychologically addictive, it's why it's hard to go back and not a lot or people go back to smoking, cause it's crap when you have a high tolerance and can't take a large enough dose in a short space of time to break through your tolerance and get high.
This is why I recommend intranasal, cause you can take much larger doses in a second or two and you don't have to worry about all the negative health effects that come with injecting, other than the risk of ODing!

Stay safe and get a naloxone nasal spray if you can, as you'll (Or someone else) squirt it all out to use the needle and syringe inside like people do with naloxone injection kits, obviously any naloxone is better than none!

 

[menidiatis]

Takes about two minutes to start to kick in, you'll fully feel it within 10 - 15 min's.

Intranasal Heroin is as affective as as intramuscular, it's why intranasal Heroin/Diamorphine Hydrochloride is used for moderate to severe pain in children from 2 years to 15 years in the UK under the brand name Ayendi, cause crying kids in pain often don't want/are scared of needles.

Edit:

Apparently injecting does make withdrawal worse but as you said it's more so dosage and time that makes withdrawal worse.
However injecting is a lot more reinforcing/psychologically addictive, it's why it's hard to go back and not a lot or people go back to smoking, cause it's crap when you have a high tolerance and can't take a large enough dose in a short space of time to break through your tolerance and get high.
This is why I recommend intranasal, cause you can take much larger doses in a second or two and you don't have to worry about all the negative health effects that come with injecting, other than the risk of ODing!

Stay safe and get a naloxone nasal spray if you can, as you'll (Or someone else) not squirt it all out to use the needle and syringe inside like people do with naloxone injection kits, obviously any naloxone is better than nome!

so I snorted a really fat line and it did nothing other than to put my nostril in excruciating pain and clog it for 2 hours forcing me to breath from my mouth, an act which causes me extreme anxiety

I ll experiment next with crushing some citric acid together with the powder to see if that works better

and then I ll experiment with crushing ctric acid and heroin and then mix them with water and waterline it

but if that doesnt work either then fuck it I am gonna inject

 

[Nas47]

Thank you for taking the time to write all of this I appreciate friend

I tried mixing with citric acid and snorting the pain was unbearable. I have snorted coke, mdma, 3mmc no problem ever, but this was so painful I blew my nose immedietaly.

Are you sure it can work just snorting the freebase? I rember snorting ridiculous amounts to 0 effect. But maybe the dope was trash.

Also, doesn't smoking supposedly give a better rush than snorting?

Anyway if I can snort it as it is I will do it, but this far it has not worked. My dealer says it is good to snort but then again that scum is not to be trusted.

If crack which is a freebase cannot be snorted why would heroin freebase be snortable?

May be some crap instead of real afghan H.Oh,...yes and try not iv-ing . smoke or snort da shit

 

[4meSM]

so I snorted a really fat line and it did nothing other than to put my nostril in excruciating pain and clog it for 2 hours forcing me to breath from my mouth, an act which causes me extreme anxiety

I ll experiment next with crushing some citric acid together with the powder to see if that works better

and then I ll experiment with crushing ctric acid and heroin and then mix them with water and waterline it

but if that doesnt work either then fuck it I am gonna inject

You're using too much citric. If it burned your nose so bad what do you think will happen to your veins?

Do not snort a mixture of citric acid and heroin in powder form, that's not how it works, it will just be very painful.

Here's an idea:
First make a concentrated citric acid solution in water. Crush your heroin as much as you can and add the citric acid solution drop by drop (as little as possible) and mix it very well. When you see the heroin starting to dissolve in the liquid, stop the citric acid and add some regular water to dilute it (about 0.5mL or a little less if you want to snort everything at once).
Mix it again and squirt it into the back of your nostrils while tilting your head to the opposite side (if you're using your left nostril, tilt your head to the right).

 

[menidiatis]

May be some crap instead of real afghan H.Oh,...yes and try not iv-ing . smoke or snort da shit

It is not crap when I smoke it I feel nice and my pupils are very constricted

You're using too much citric. If it burned your nose so bad what do you think will happen to your veins?

Do not snort a mixture of citric acid and heroin in powder form, that's not how it works, it will just be very painful.

Here's an idea:
First make a concentrated citric acid solution in water. Crush your heroin as much as you can and add the citric acid solution drop by drop (as little as possible) and mix it very well. When you see the heroin starting to dissolve in the liquid, stop the citric acid and add some regular water to dilute it (about 0.5mL or a little less if you want to snort everything at once).
Mix it again and squirt it into the back of your nostrils while tilting your head to the opposite side (if you're using your left nostril, tilt your head to the right).

Yeah I suspected it would not be a good idea to inject that mixture

Just if I didn't put that much citric acid as I did, it did not completely dissolve.

I don't understand if what is left undisolved is H or other substances it is cut with

I will try what you said soon and report back

 

[4meSM]

I don't understand if what is left undisolved is H or other substances it is cut with

Most likely cut. Your heroin is probably heavily cut, otherwise you wouldn't be smoking anywhere near 2-5g a day like you've said before.

 

[menidiatis]

Most likely cut. Your heroin is probably heavily cut, otherwise you wouldn't be smoking anywhere near 2-5g a day like you've said before.

That was heroinnfrom Greece that I zmokd 5g

Now I zmok around 2

Ofc it is cut

My question is, what remains undisolved is only the cuts, or there is H there as well?

 

[dalpat077]

Usually a topic I stay away from (I have my reasons).

If you know/see what's required and the process to go from #3 to #4 then I don't see how these little quick fixes can turn #3 into #4 for IV safely.

Obviously the below from a far longer and extremely comprehensive document:

Southeast Asian heroin base is an intermediate product which can be further converted to either a smoking form
(Heroin No. 3) or an injectable form (Heroin No. 4).

Guess all I'm saying is that your #3 could be full of shit (impurities or cuts) is my point. Getting to #4 isn't a walk in the park, and there's an intricate refinement process if done right that is (as opposed to come chemist that really couldn't give a fuck).

But I just KNOW I'm going to get taken to the cleaners here by one of the resident chemists!

 

[menidiatis]

Usually a topic I stay away from (I have my reasons).

If you know/see what's required and the process to go from #3 to #4 then I don't see how these little quick fixes can turn #3 into #4 for IV safely.

Obviously the below from a far longer and extremely comprehensive document:

Southeast Asian heroin base is an intermediate product which can be further converted to either a smoking form
(Heroin No. 3) or an injectable form (Heroin No. 4).

Guess all I'm saying is that your #3 could be full of shit (impurities or cuts) is my point. Getting to #4 isn't a walk in the park, and there's an intricate refinement process if done right that is (as opposed to come chemist that really couldn't give a fuck).

But I just KNOW I'm going to get taken to the cleaners here by one of the resident chemists!

First of all I know my H is cut to shit this is the only sure thing, secondly, where did you read that I want to convert #3 to #4?

I only said I want to convert freebase to hcl so that it can be dissolved in water (because now it becomes clumpy) so that it is possible to inject it.

Obviously you can't convert this dirty shit to pharmacy grade #4 just by mixing it with some acid

 

[menidiatis]

You're using too much citric. If it burned your nose so bad what do you think will happen to your veins?

Do not snort a mixture of citric acid and heroin in powder form, that's not how it works, it will just be very painful.

Here's an idea:
First make a concentrated citric acid solution in water. Crush your heroin as much as you can and add the citric acid solution drop by drop (as little as possible) and mix it very well. When you see the heroin starting to dissolve in the liquid, stop the citric acid and add some regular water to dilute it (about 0.5mL or a little less if you want to snort everything at once).
Mix it again and squirt it into the back of your nostrils while tilting your head to the opposite side (if you're using your left nostril, tilt your head to the right).

so I followed your advice here's what I did

in a plastic cup I made a concentrated mix of water and citric acid

in a pyrex glass I added the heroin, then I added a few drops from my citric acid mix

then I added water to dilute it, and I used an aluminum tooter to snort it

I dont have a syringe to squirt it in my nose nor could I get more creative

the problem is I am afraid most of the mix ended up in my throat

how am I supposed to keep it sitting at the nostril? I think I am starting to feel some effect, but this method unfortanely does not seem more efficient than smoking

the technique required to snort is even harder than chasing the dragon

why does it have to be so troublesome to use some fucking heroin god damn it

 

[December Flower]

I tried mixing with citric acid and snorting the pain was unbearable

Citric acid up your nose.
The Jedi have felt this one. Ouch!

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

#3 heroin is designed to be smoked. This is the safest and most effective way of taking it.

If smoking isn't enough for you then it's time to stop.