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Hydrocodone raised to CII in US EDIT: Not really EDIT2: actually yeah

everyone knows the more a drug is schedule it usually means that drug is the most safe.... just look at schedule 1 drugs compared to like schedule 3 and 4 drugs.... A lot of people won't agree with me on this but I believe even Heroin is a completley safe drug if used in the most strict and responsible sense as not to get addicted to it..... but now that we cleared up diacetylmorphine, look at the other schedule 1 drugs and tell me they aren't safer the safe can be? Meth and cocaine are schedule 2 yet marijuana is schedule 1?!?! lol ridiculous!
 
Zohydro is going to be the new Oxycontin, as soon as the "bath salt" hysteria dies down
 
A month ago, the Senate unanimously adopted a Manchin-sponsored measure to make it harder to get hydrocodone pills for illegitimate reasons. Senator Manchin’s amendment to the FDA bill moved hydrocodone to the list of Schedule II substances from the list of Schedule III substances. Two weeks ago (late June), the House of Representatives passed a compromise version of the FDA bill that did not contain his provision. The Senate is now expected to also pass the bill without Senator Manchin's amendment, so that it is identical to the bill that passed the House.
 
readi29 said:
A month ago, the Senate unanimously adopted a Manchin-sponsored measure to make it harder to get hydrocodone pills for illegitimate reasons. Senator Manchin’s amendment to the FDA bill moved hydrocodone to the list of Schedule II substances from the list of Schedule III substances. Two weeks ago (late June), the House of Representatives passed a compromise version of the FDA bill that did not contain his provision. The Senate is now expected to also pass the bill without Senator Manchin's amendment, so that it is identical to the bill that passed the House.
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ok, I'm confused now. This "new" legislation, where does it stand now?? Are there still changes even given with the removable of hydro off the sched II list?? Was this just a temporary scare now that more rational minds prevailed??
 
It is important to note, that this is only the first step in the reclassification of hydrocodone. Yes, hydrocodone alone (like the old Dicodid's) and the release of Zohydro, a pure form of hydrocodone, in time release form are and will be Schedule II because they are pure hydrocodone. Zogenix who makes Zohydro submitted on May 2, 2012 to the FDA it's New Drug Application or NDA to them. I looked on the internet and read one article, that they are out and his friend has an 80mg tab. First of all, Zohydro will go no higher than 50mg, so that is bad info.

However, hydrocodone/APAP is currently a Schedule III and now goes to the House of Representatives. If it passes through the H of R then it will be law. Bills are rewritten, scrutenized and take time to come into law. However, I found a plea from many medical organizations to change the wording in the amendment, to keep hydrocodone mixtures Schedule III and pure hydrocodone (Zohydro) a Schedule II. It will come in 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50mg doses. No acetaminophen or ibuprofen will be added and they will be time released.

The medical community wrote this letter to the committee and they are not very pleased about this change in Scheduling:

http://www.nacns.org/docs/Hydrocodone.pdf

Let's hope the change the wording and the House of Representatives have more sense than the Senate. Changes like this don't happen overnight, I just called my pharmacist and he said hydrocodone APAP is still a Schedule III and as far as he knows, Zohydro is still waiting for approval by the FDA. Zohydro, will be a Schedule II because it is pure hydrocodone E.R. if the FDA approves it.

It just goes to show you how ignorant our law makers are. I feel in my heart, it will never fly. IMO. It is the standard to give a person recovering from acute pain. West Virginia could raise Hydro/APAP to a Schedule II, since they are so worried about it. Just like Kentucky made tramadol a Schedule IV.

salgoud
 
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^Obama signed S. 3187 into law on Monday. That is the bill that purportedly has the hydrocodone update. I'd have to read it to figure out if they took it out or not.

edit: good news: they seem to have merely ordered the FDA to review the scheduling:

SEC. 1139. SCHEDULING OF HYDROCODONE.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days after the date of
enactment of this Act, if practicable, the Secretary of Health and
Human Services (referred to in this section as the ‘‘Secretary’’)
shall hold a public meeting to solicit advice and recommendations
to assist in conducting a scientific and medical evaluation in connection with a scheduling recommendation to the Drug Enforcement
Administration regarding drug products containing hydrocodone,
combined with other analgesics or as an antitussive.
(b) STAKEHOLDER INPUT.—In conducting the evaluation under
subsection (a), the Secretary shall solicit input from a variety of
stakeholders including patients, health care providers, harm prevention experts, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Drug Enforcement
Administration regarding the health benefits and risks, including
the potential for abuse and the impact of up-scheduling of these
products.
(c) TRANSCRIPT.—The transcript of any public meeting conducted pursuant to this section shall be published on the Internet
Web site of the Food and Drug Administration.
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s3187enr/pdf/BILLS-112s3187enr.pdf
 
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No change here in NY. They have been prescribing Vicodin and benzos like they are scheduled 2 for a while now.
 
Tommyboy said:
No change here in NY. They have been prescribing Vicodin and benzos like they are scheduled 2 for a while now.
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I'm not sure what you mean. In other words no refills for say: alprazolam and no refills for Vicodin. State law can trump federal law, but here where I live (Colorado), one can get a script for alprazolam with 5 refills, and the same goes with hydrocodone/APAP. So you are saying in NY, one must go in to the doctor every time to get a refill for these said pharmaceuticals. All I can say is I'm glad I don't live in NY. Also in NY, they cannot call in Schedule III's or below. Man what a drag.

salgoud
 
^During alcohol Tylenol is bad, for the hangover no.

Sure hope the government doesn't change it's mind. I heard on the news that reportedly the Batman shooter was on Vicodin.
 
This will make Docs crazy having to re-write scripts every month... This is going to become a pain in the ass for the whole industry... Why would they pick on Hydrocodone? Hardcore opiates abusers don't waste their time popping 20 norco at $5/pill... This is ridiculous and will cause a great disturbance in my pain management... Fucking Politicians are the scum of society!
 
Hydrocodone was not included in the amendment... Originally it was but later removed before the bill was approved... Thank God! It would jam up the system so badly and make my life very inconvenient at the least!

This is post is misleading and bogus... Originally correct though... No offense :0)
 
Master_Khan said:
This not accurate. Hydrocodone scripts are issued with refills in NY. Fact
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May I ask if you are from the NYC area or upstate? I have never heard of anyone getting a refill on vicodin in the city area, but know of some friends from upstate that got refills on it.

I know that NY is unique in that refills for benzodiazepines are not permitted, and they are treated like schedule II medications. That is mentioned here in this notice to pharmacists in New York, and was also mentioned on a NYS DOH page that the link doesn't work for now, but the quote is in my post here. They only mention benzos though and not hydrocodone, so I guess that's irrelevant here other than to show that New York is more strict than other states when it comes to certain prescription drugs.

For some reason I thought that hydrocodone was another one of the 'not a schedule II med but due to its high potential for abuse we are going to treat it like one to make peoples [NY'ers] lives more difficult' medications like benzos here. I have known several people in the NYC area that saw pain specialists and they had to see the doctor each month for their hydrocodone prescription, so perhaps it's more of an unwritten rule in the area.
 
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Funny how anything north of the Bronx is referred to as upstate, lol , but using that criteria then yes. It is not surprising that it sounds like there are two sets of (unwritten) rules being used to dispense hydrocodone in NY; one for 'the city', and one for the rest of the state.
 
Master_Khan said:
Funny how anything north of the Bronx is referred to as upstate, lol , but using that criteria then yes. It is not surprising that it sounds like there are two sets of (unwritten) rules being used to dispense hydrocodone in NY; one for 'the city', and one for the rest of the state.
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I've adjusted the upstate/downstate border to be Poughkeepsie after going to school in the real upstate (not going to mention where on here for anonymity purposes, but it was way up there, far enough where Albany was considered downstate). Before that I considered anything north of Westchester to be upstate.
 
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THC2LSD said:
^During alcohol Tylenol is bad, for the hangover no.

Sure hope the government doesn't change it's mind. I heard on the news that reportedly the Batman shooter was on Vicodin.
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When I had an overdose on T1's I was searching for information that could help me understand better if I actually needed a hospital visit (which I did) but I also found out that while tylenol is easier to overdose on with alcohol in your system for non-alcoholics, being an alcoholic that is dependent on alcohol can actually be protective to the caused by overdose of acetaminophen. Just an interesting bit of information I felt like sharing, it obviously won't make you invulnerable to the negative effects of that situation.
 
For the first time in a long time, reading something on the internet has made me palpably angry.

But then I realized it was a troll thread, so I lold.
 
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