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HU-210 officially found by DEA in Spice products.

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From the DEA Microgram, apparently 1500 packets of various spice products were analyzed via GC/MS and every packet contained " very small but verifiable amounts" of HU-210.

Here's the link, it's the very first thing on the page: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0309/mg0309.html

The Customs and Border Protection (CBP) - Chicago Laboratory (Illinois) recently received five small, resealable, bright foil packets containing dull olive-colored plant material(s), labelled as “Spice Gold,” “Spice Silver,” “Spice Diamond,” “Genie,” and “Yucatan Fire” incense, all reputedly laced with various synthetic cannabinoids or synthetic cannabinoid mimicking compounds, notably “HU-210” [(6aR,10aR)-9-(hydroxymethyl)-6,6-dimethyl-3-(2-methyloctan-2-yl)-6a,7,10,10a-tetrahydrobenzo[c]chromen-1-ol);]. The exhibits were selected from a shipment containing approximately 1,500 such packets that were detained by a CBP agricultural specialist at an express parcel service hub in Wilmington, Ohio. The items were not smuggled but were rather part of a formal entry. Standard marijuana analyses (microscopy) of the materials were negative. Analysis of extracts by GC/MS in the scan mode with split injection indicated only the presence of a large amount of vitamin E and other, smaller amounts of various natural products. However, when the extracts were derivatized with N,O-bis(trimethylsilyl)acetamide and injected splitless with selected ion monitoring, HU-210 was found in very small but verifiable amounts in every packet (not quantitated). The results were confirmed against a standard. These were the first such submissions to the laboratory.

[Additional Laboratory and Editor’s Notes: In addition to the above-named products, there are at least two other such herbal products: “Skunk,” and “Sence.” These products are currently being encountered nationwide. They, and the synthetic cannabinoids and cannabinoid mimic compounds they contain, are also the subjects of widespread discussion and speculation on the Internet. Based on anecdotal reports, HU-210 is hundreds of times more potent than THC; thus, the trace amounts detected in the above case are physiologically active, and these materials may be viewed as “stealth marijuana.” The reference standard of HU-210 used in this case was purchased from Cayman Chemical of Ann Arbor, Michigan. The ions selected for the analysis were m/z 446 (100%), 530 (molecular ion), 447, 474, and 356. Note that HU-210 is named in several different ways; for example: (6aR,10aR)-3-(1,1'-dimethylheptyl)-6a,7,10,10a-tetrahydro-1-hydroxy-6,6-dimethyl-6H-dibenzo[b,d]pyran-9-methanol. HU-210 is controlled (Schedule I) in the U.S. (See: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/spice/spice_hu210.htm), and products containing it and similar cannabinoids are controlled within the U.S. and in a number of other countries, including Austria, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland. In addition to HU-210, there are at least half a dozen other compounds with similar structures, plus several unrelated compounds that have cannabinoid mimicking effects (notably JWH- 018 (1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole)), that are being used to adulterate the plant materials in “Spice” and similar products. An article presenting mass spectral data and background information on these compounds was recently published on line (not yet published in hard copy); see: Auwarter V, Dresen S, Weinmann W, Muller M, Putz M, Ferreiros N. “Spice” and other herbal blends: Harmless incense or cannabinoid designer drugs? Journal of Mass Spectrometry 2009.]
 
not sure if this should be in PD.

so is HU-210 scheduled under the analogue act or is it scheduled on its own? wouldnt all these synthetic cannadinoids be covered under the analogue act? just wondering
 
Probably just the ones that have similar structure to THC and HU-210. That would exclude things like JWH-018 which is completely different in structure.

Oh, and HU-210 is schedule I in it's own right, as mentioned in the above article.

So, now that they have proof that Spice and similar products contain illegal substances, I guess they can start treating these products as other scheduled drugs, right? Another "legal high" lost in the U.S. then huh?

And this doesn't belong to PD. CD would likely be a more suitable place for this thread.
 
dosnt hu-210 improve dendrite growth in the hippocampus?
 
I don't know that it should go into CD...

CD is about cannabis, not cannabinoids, right? A quick look before I posted this showed a lack of threads in CD about CP, JWH, or HU compounds when compared to PD.

CD seems like a messy hole of discussion about blunts bongs and munchies...fine but not what I was going for.

Move it if you think it should be moved though.
 
It has both properties. Seems to me that It can stay in both CB and PD...
As Cannabinoids have psychedelic qualities and also their other properties..A unique drug with a very mixed character.
 
Well, yeah, so is cannabis :) But I'm not really sure where this belongs either. Maybe drugs in the media? Anyway, it's up to the mods and out of the scope of this discussion.

Staying in topic of Spice, I have coincidentally just recently spiked my interest in this. I haven't been able to smoke a lot of weed for almost 2 months now (due to some health issues), I'm hoping to find a suitable substitution in the spice variety. Probably going to get my first test batch of Spice Arctic Synergy next week. I hear the Spice brands (which are essentially mixtures of different cannabinoids, just like marijuana) have very interesting and cannabis-like effects. I can't wait to taste it already!
 
I wish the DEA would quantify their results, I'm curious about the amounts of HU-210 in each variant, as I've tried several different types of spice...
 
^ Do the effects vary much between different types or are they more or less the same? I've heard they can be quite different for other brands, such as Smoke or Genie, as opposed to Spice, but what about different sorts of Spice?

I'm compelled to get Spice Arctic Synergy for some reason. Which one would you recommend?

I agree that it would be nice if DEA quantified their results, however they probably couldn't care less about the quantities. They are only interested in proof that these brands contain scheduled substances.
 
Maybe the plants in the Spice make these cannabinoids naturally... hmmm... But since they didn't contain C. indica or C. sativa (and therefore none of the traditional D9-THC) they could get away with it. Just a thought.

...And considering the shit is $12 a gram anyway, I'll just buy some fucking weed and risk it.
 
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These plants have hardly anything to do with the effects these brands produce. The real effects come from synthetic cannabinoids such as HU-210, JWH-018, and CP 47,497, which are subtly added to the mix. I've read that most of the herbs listed as the ingredients are not really even in those brands, they are just a cover to hide the true psychoactives.

Weed costs about twice as much where I live, so Spice might actually be an economical alternative for me (assuming it works well enough), but the real reason I am looking into them right now is something else. Also they might be suitable alternatives for people who get randomly drug tested at work or are on probation, but still want to get high.
 
the discovery of HU-210 is quite odd, and I'd take it with a grain of salt until it is confirmed by someone else. the german people who found JWH-018 and CP47,497 in "spice" also looked for HU-210 and didn't find any.
 
^ Maybe the makers of spice simply use whatever is to hand - lets say they ran out of one ingredient one day - then why halt production when you can throw in something which operates in a similar manner. Bear in mind they're just waiting for the day their product is outlawed & they probably want to retire ASAP.
 
^ If that's true, I gotta wonder if there's even any difference between the different Spice products (silver, gold, diamond, tropical synergy, arctic synergy etc)? For some reason, the Diamond variety seems to be slightly more expensive than the rest (which have the same price), could it only be different in potency then? I have always assumed that the different products had different cannabinoids in different concentrations, much like different cannabis strains.
 
I've not tried them as "spice products". I've had a couple of the JWH products - I believe 073 & 018 but it was a while ago so couldn't be certain.

Proper good cannabis is better tho IMO.
 
Its kinda ridiculous to pay so much for spice products when you can buy JWH 018 and 073 and CP-abunchoffrickendigitsbehindit, in bulk for really cheap. For the price that spice costs, you might as well just get some good pot.
 
^ I agree - unless you cannot smoke pot for one reason or another, and don't have access to the pure chemicals.
 
^ If that's true, I gotta wonder if there's even any difference between the different Spice products (silver, gold, diamond, tropical synergy, arctic synergy etc)? For some reason, the Diamond variety seems to be slightly more expensive than the rest (which have the same price), could it only be different in potency then? I have always assumed that the different products had different cannabinoids in different concentrations, much like different cannabis strains.
the german analysis showed that the main active ingredient in "spice silver", "spice gold" and "spice diamond" is CP47,497-C8, with increasing concentration, but there were also small amounds of JWH-018 found in these products. the active ingredient in "spice arctic synergy", "spice tropical synergy" and "genie" is JWH-018, on the other hand. "yucatan fire" contains both CP47,497-C8 and JWH-018 in macroscopic amounds.
 
^ Ah, thanks. I wasn't aware of those details regarding the german analysis (I only knew they discovered CP 47,497 and JWH-018).
 
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