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Benzos Horrible benzo wd at 6 months

Thanks for the response....I actually tried tianeptine after researching it fairly intensively...As I said, I've tried a LOT to help....It made everything worse, especially the derealization, and I was not willing to stick with it beyond a couple tries....It's actually sitting in front of me on my desk, all dried up. lol
 
How much Tianeptine did you take? For me, it was useless or even counterproductive at low doses, but very helpful at >150mg. Beside the Tianeptine, there were a few other things I found helpful:

- Morphine + Ritalin: I found a combination of small doses of Morphine (10-30mg p.o.) and Ritalin (5mg) to be helpful at times. I've read that morphine acts as a weak antagonist of the GABA-A receptor.
- IPPD - Isopropylphenidate: Of all the stimulants I found this to be the only one that my fragile PAWSy brain could tolerate in normal doses.
- Opipramol (100-200mg ed): very helpful for 2-3 weeks, has a calming effect and suppresses delusional thinking.
- Amisulprid (50mg ed): helps against anhedonia, especially in combination with Opipramol

I wish you all the best and will pray for you.
 
Dude- been there, done that. I was on 1mg klonopin for 3 weeks and suffered a 3 month withdrawal from hell. The depersonalization and derealization were the worst. You just gotta stick it out man.... benzos royally fuck some people, and some people can binge on obscene dosages and get away unscathed. Keep on keeping on and don't add any more chemicals in your brain. Stay off the forums and start exercising regularly- start bodybuilding/ lifting weights, running- get in shape and eat healthy. Meditate. It's a waiting game from hell. You got this
 
Dude- been there, done that. I was on 1mg klonopin for 3 weeks and suffered a 3 month withdrawal from hell. The depersonalization and derealization were the worst. You just gotta stick it out man.... benzos royally fuck some people, and some people can binge on obscene dosages and get away unscathed. Keep on keeping on and don't add any more chemicals in your brain. Stay off the forums and start exercising regularly- start bodybuilding/ lifting weights, running- get in shape and eat healthy. Meditate. It's a waiting game from hell. You got this
Thanks bro...Glad you are well.
 
How much Tianeptine did you take? For me, it was useless or even counterproductive at low doses, but very helpful at >150mg. Beside the Tianeptine, there were a few other things I found helpful:

- Morphine + Ritalin: I found a combination of small doses of Morphine (10-30mg p.o.) and Ritalin (5mg) to be helpful at times. I've read that morphine acts as a weak antagonist of the GABA-A receptor.
- IPPD - Isopropylphenidate: Of all the stimulants I found this to be the only one that my fragile PAWSy brain could tolerate in normal doses.
- Opipramol (100-200mg ed): very helpful for 2-3 weeks, has a calming effect and suppresses delusional thinking.
- Amisulprid (50mg ed): helps against anhedonia, especially in combination with Opipramol

I wish you all the best and will pray for you.
I don't remember how much I took....I haven't tried ritalin, but I have tried a small amount of Adderall....I don't think it helped....I tried coffee the other day and it sent me into a crazy twitching tense uncomfortable mess...Not fun.
 
Steer clear of adderall, especially during benzo withdrawal. It will likely make adehonia and depersonalization issues worse in the long term and can make reversible problems due benzo withdrawal into permanent problems due to amphetamine neurotoxicity.

Try a Magnesium supplement in a dose range of 300-500 mg/ day. Avoid Magnesium oxide (low bioavailability) Magnesium can notably improve withdrawal symptoms such as muscle twitches, insomnia and anxiety in some people. A Multivitamin might be a good idea too.

I have a positive experience with Citocoline (CDP choline). Its a natural nootropic that increases dopamine levels in the brain and is neuroprotective.

Cannabidiol (CBD) is a non-psychoactive cannabinoid that is anticonvulsive and also acts as an antidepressant and anxiolytic. I've had very positive experiences with it. It helps with symptoms such as tremors, muscle spasms and increased anxiety.

Lots of exercise and a healthy diet are also important. Good luck!
 
Sorry for all you are going through. DP/DR does not seem to respond to pharmacological therapies very well but there is some evidence supporting lamotrigine and naltrexone. Neither really effects GABA (lamotrigine may but evidence is lacking). I have not seen where either has been used for depersonalization from benzo withdrawal syndrome but think they may help regardless of the cause. Lamotrigine has the added benefits of combating depression and stabilizing your mood, so may be worth asking about it.
 
LET ME TELL YOU PEOPLE EVEN AFTER A LONG TAPER BENZO WITHDRAWAL IS NO JOKE!!

I tapered all the way down to 2.5mg of valium after using for 8 months daily;

When i quit at 2.5mg i had the most BRUTAL withdrawal ever imaginable oh my lord benzo wd is RIDICULOUS.....


People have NO IDEA how utterly brutal benzo withdrawal is.. Oh my god I used to hear people say that but it wasn't until i went through it myself that i saw how it was literally 24/7 hell for a month STRAIGHT;

and by i hell; I mean hahaha I said to myself a million times if i died it would be easier then going through this
 
Steer clear of adderall, especially during benzo withdrawal. It will likely make adehonia and depersonalization issues worse in the long term and can make reversible problems due benzo withdrawal into permanent problems due to amphetamine neurotoxicity.

Try a Magnesium supplement in a dose range of 300-500 mg/ day. Avoid Magnesium oxide (low bioavailability) Magnesium can notably improve withdrawal symptoms such as muscle twitches, insomnia and anxiety in some people. A Multivitamin might be a good idea too.

I have a positive experience with Citocoline (CDP choline). Its a natural nootropic that increases dopamine levels in the brain and is neuroprotective.

Cannabidiol (CBD) is a non-psychoactive cannabinoid that is anticonvulsive and also acts as an antidepressant and anxiolytic. I've had very positive experiences with it. It helps with symptoms such as tremors, muscle spasms and increased anxiety.

Lots of exercise and a healthy diet are also important. Good luck!
Thanks...I take about 2 grams of magnesium malate a day, I also take choline and inositol, a multivitamin, fish oil, mct oil, b complex, CoQ10, alpha lipoic acid, and vitamin d3....Would love to try CBD, but it's not legal in my state, yet....My diet is near perfect, all natural, low sugar, low carb....I'm still fairly exercise intolerant, and my poor balance makes it really hard to do much more than walk....Seems like its just going to be a waiting game, unfortunately.
 
Sorry for all you are going through. DP/DR does not seem to respond to pharmacological therapies very well but there is some evidence supporting lamotrigine and naltrexone. Neither really effects GABA (lamotrigine may but evidence is lacking). I have not seen where either has been used for depersonalization from benzo withdrawal syndrome but think they may help regardless of the cause. Lamotrigine has the added benefits of combating depression and stabilizing your mood, so may be worth asking about it.
I've been looking into lamictal....I'm going to try and tough it out for another six months to see how much progress I make before adding more drugs, but that is certainly at the top of my list. I've also been considering trying LDN (low dose naltrexone)
 
Benzos aren't meant to be taken for life, they destroy your brain and cause dementia....They are dangerous drugs that are way overprescribed, more and more doctors are becoming aware of this. I used to live that life is too short yolo life....Then this shit happened....You know what, life isn't short, its long as fuck, and if staying away from drugs is what is going to get me outta this, I'll wait as long as it takes to get myself back. Drugs got me into this, they for damn sure aint gonna get me out.

Try working you sound like you've got way too much time on your hands if you think it's too long.
 
Don't think my post was ambiguous and judging by your response it was probably on the mark. If you had to work a full time job you'd see the days go by faster. and life seems way too short cos your free time is limited.

Think you need to keep busy. might help.

Seriously think you need to stop doing absolutely nothing with your days but focuss on symptoms that may or may not be happening and earn a living like a man. Will help your self confidence and keep you busy OP.

Having time to wallow in issues such as the OP's is a LUXURY believe it or not whn you're busy working most of the day these minuscule issues take a back seat while survival and the thtrill of providing
 
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Don't think my post was ambiguous and judging by your response it was probably on the mark. If you had to work a full time job you'd see the days go by faster. and life seems way too short cos your free time is limited.

Think you need to keep busy. might help.

Seriously think you need to stop doing absolutely nothing with your days but focuss on symptoms that may or may not be happening and earn a living like a man. Will help your self confidence and keep you busy OP.

Having time to wallow in issues such as the OP's is a LUXURY believe it or not whn you're busy working most of the day these minuscule issues take a back seat while survival and the thtrill of providing

come on crazy pants get a proper job.
 
OP:
What others said about the ER. And getting a consultation with a Neurologist who might end up putting you on a very weak, but anti-seizure to the max, but also used for anxiety apparently benzo, called Clobazam. Mixed with probably another anti-convulsant, I'd recommend Divalproex but that's my half a BSc in Pharma opinion. I relate man, it's not as bad as you, because thankfully I was tapered semi-responsibly (which means it was kinda too fast and I had to stay at 20mg valium, which was a victory in itself). You really need to see a neurologist. DEMAND seeing a neurologist if the ER doc doesn't get it. Ask for a referral if they say your problem is too complex for them. Usually ER docs want to treat ONE specific thing, throwing a list of symptoms at them for something like this usually turns them off. But asking for referrals is no big issue.
 
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Frisium/clobazam or maybe even clonazepam is your only way "out" of this I'm afraid. In a neurological setting. A good neuro will have you take an EEG and a CT at least, and provide said clobazam with maybe another mood stabilizer/anti-seizure medication but definitely not tegretol or trileptal, these make one's liver get rid of benzos faster.

I'm surprised at what the low doses (in theory) of benzos he had did this to him though. 1mg Ativan..will knock one out...for 20 minutes and maybe have effect for 20 more minute. That's why it's the usual panic attack thing they give at the ER here, 1mg ativan wafers, 1 or 2. Because the effects are so short lived, but really punch out a panic attack when having little or no tolerance at that dose.
 
I was on 2 mgs 3x a day (klonipin) for 17 years, I luckily found a supplement (Chill6 drink) that helped me, not spam, but it was a life saver. My opinion relative to this post is Doctors over prescribe benzos for sure. However, the do save lives in certain cases, mine was one of those. For that I'm grateful. I took it slow, .5 once a month, by going super slow, you cut into the 'PAWS" time.
 
Benzos suck dick. I know where you're coming from, except I've always had anxiety problems, however I was able to control them through excercise and mindfulness. I was doing quite a bit of coke, going out, socialising, having a good time. The coke and hang overs from alcohol would make me feel shitty but it was manageable and I was able to hold down a job and social life.

I had never done benzos before (even on major come downs from mdma in my youth)... then a friend introduces me to to valium. I loved them becuase any anxiety from doing coke wasn't there the next day and I could sleep well. I started doing them at work as well and before social events I felt anxious about attending... anyway 2 years later, im unemployed because I can't hold down a job without freaking out with panic attacks, I've pushed away most of my friends and am generally scared of life and leaving the house. Stopped taking the valium for about 2 months, but relapsed this weekend just gone - turns out I had the best weekend in a long time, felt relaxed and was able to socialise in a large group. Anyway, I know what you're going through and it sucks, wish I'd never touched them!
 
Benzos suck dick. I know where you're coming from, except I've always had anxiety problems, however I was able to control them through excercise and mindfulness. I was doing quite a bit of coke, going out, socialising, having a good time. The coke and hang overs from alcohol would make me feel shitty but it was manageable and I was able to hold down a job and social life.

I had never done benzos before (even on major come downs from mdma in my youth)... then a friend introduces me to to valium. I loved them becuase any anxiety from doing coke wasn't there the next day and I could sleep well. I started doing them at work as well and before social events I felt anxious about attending... anyway 2 years later, im unemployed because I can't hold down a job without freaking out with panic attacks, I've pushed away most of my friends and am generally scared of life and leaving the house. Stopped taking the valium for about 2 months, but relapsed this weekend just gone - turns out I had the best weekend in a long time, felt relaxed and was able to socialise in a large group. Anyway, I know what you're going through and it sucks, wish I'd never touched them!

Quitting valium is easy compared to those benzos that work at sub-miligram doses. But even then it's difficult, I was at 20mg since 5 years, tapering from another benzo, but couldn't go lower than 20mg without getting waves of worrying thoughts and getting manic into looking at bad news all the time. So I had a victory anyway of going from 4mg clonazepam a day to 20mg valium. Now we're going 1mg less of valium a day, tomorrow I fall to 18mg, I gotta be scripted 10,5's and the ridiculous 2's I had never seen before (to be able to take uneven doses like now at 19mg). If it eats through paws, its perfect, we're taking a mg away every 3 weeks. If at some point I start feeling bad, we'll stay where I am or up back a mg or 2...(which is actually Ashton-method, I had a long discussion with my psychiatrist to get that going on, at first he was going too fast, wanting me on 15mg right away, and it wasn't enough).

Although I'll always need an hypnotic for my diagnosed insomnia/delayed sleep onset if I have to be awake when this society says I should be (I first was scripted a barb from 2000 to 2004 until my awesome nanny government removed all the good barbs in Nov 2004, I only had a script of 15 Seconals (Secobarbital) A YEAR for pre-exam anxiety/insomnia being even worse, and it was gone from my body when I went to bed, I had to reserve 12 hours of sleep, which is what I needed then as a young adult/late teen, hell when I was 15 years old I'd sleep 14-15 hours the weekends because of how messed up I'd feel from school (and working 2 runs of newspapers on my bike at 5am). Then my doc used Placidyl(ethchlorvynol) for the same purpose, it was removed in 2006...so then I had that DOB hit and needed clonazepam everyday to kill the HPPD, which takes time, a long time, he scripted me .5mg twice a day for a year, only by month 8 did I start having my vision be clear, the last remnants was when looking at the sky and having static in my vision. Then I saw a psychiatrist and he had the bright idea of changing my script to 2mg a day (would kill my insomnia, so I was all for it, .5mg twice a day didn't help much other than yes, sleeping, but 5 hours and often feeling hungover until I got used to it).

So yeah, they can be very useful, and that goes for all downers, including barbs that shouldn't have been removed. It's true they were dangerous to the clueless (1 pill, you sleep, 2 pills, you die, in some cases, I know the one time I had 2 Seconals at once (the red gelcaps), I would feel like I was extremely hungover when waking up except without the nausea and headache, it wasn't pleasant at all. They're tools, like opiates, where using them correctly is difficult and often a subjective thing, especially since it a person vs the doctor who can't feel what you're feeling even if he knows about the symptoms of withdrawal, he/she can't really get it unless they have been there. My doc said he was an alcoholic for 5 years of his university time, my psychiatrist, it took a long time for him to admit it, but when I said "You cannot even begin to imagine how I feel" and he said "Oh you'd be surprised, I drank a 26 oz every night for 5 years, a now-colleague in another field tapered me with Librium, I didn't take it for long, you only need to take it a couple weeks and then the spasms go away and if you really wanna quit drinking it helps you sleep away your misery, but I also had a wife that would cook for me as I lied in bed" knowing I only had a series of medium term girlfriends in my life, that was kinda a "ah-ha" from him, but I don't care, psychiatrists and psychologists alike like to be pricks to see if you're easily disturbed by what others think. Anyway, he's compassionate enough to taper me at a normal pace.

OP's issue is a neurological one. I'm serious when saying clobazam would stop the craziness he's experiencing, it sounds like his temporal lobes are going mad with seizures, temporal lobe seizures do not make one pass out. Clobazam, clonazepam and nitrazepam are benzos used in neurology, sometimes valium too, but not so much anymore. Clobazam is the strongest anti-convulsant amongst them and is also slightly anxiolytic, apparently it can be scripted for anxiety but I'd laugh if I knew anyone was scripted clobazam for such a reason. But in his case it would hit 2 birds with one stone, and it's even weaker than the benzos he says messed him up (ativan and clonazepam if I remember right).

I think it could/should be used for tapering, when one is almost done but still struggles (someone at 5mg of valium, who's determined to stop, a 10mg Frisium regime on top wouldn't raise tolerance at all and promote an anti-seizure brain environment (heh, brain environment, one could say that OP's brain weather is having one hell of an electric storm hardy har har) and the Frisium could be removed at all times later when the person's okay, maybe use the score line on them to take 5mg at once instead of 10 (there's only 10mg pills).

I'm also curious at the fact that Dalmane (Flurazepam) would be the perfect case of a Bupe for Benzos. It's a partial BZD agonist, and lasts the longest of all commercial benzos, even the grey market ones never came close, except for phenazepam I guess.
 
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