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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Heroin to oxy. feedback on this taper plan

Hey man, first time posting, actually created an account just to get involved in this discussion. Your situation and plan really sounds very similar to what's been going on with me recently, so I had to post. So for a whie now I've been back and forth between using pills like oxy (30mg IR) and sometimes Opana (10mg IR or various XR), and then switching over to dope, or making an attempt to quit or take a break using Buprenorphine, and then back to pills, dope, etc, depending on losing or gaining connections, or my tolerance getting to crazy that it makes my life almost impossible to manage (I'm a car salesmen/manager/trainer/technology specialist/anything regular salesmen can't or won't do for our customers, working 50+ hours a week, in addition the being back in school taking night classes, 2 lectures 2 labs this semster, it's a associates degree for process technology, badcually plant operator training)

I used to just sniff the pills, but about 2 years ago I was reading about the bioavailability of Opana, so I decided to try shooting them, and I haven't looked back since. Most recently, I got to the point where I'd crush up 3 Roxy 30's into a single shot, and it went from giving me a decent rush, great feeling, and all around on top of the world mind and body high, to barley anything. So I stated getting this light brown, rock heroin, comes in big softball sized chunks originally I've seen my guy break off grams for me. A gram will typically last me about 8-10 shots, and I've been doing about 3 of them from 6am - noon, then I may do another in the evening, (but I try not to do too much later on in the day, bc then my dick doesn't want to finish and my wife gets fucking PISSED bc she hates it when I don't nut), so total about a half G a day, to try and give you a reference.

So if I do my half G and am done by early afternoon, I'll generally come down very slowly, even though I IV the high seems to always at least be a little present until I fall asleep. I had ran out of dope actually last week after doing this for a while, so come around 4pm the next day, I'm starting to fiend slightly, so I end up finding some oxys, and quciky prep myself a 90mg shot. Now I know it had some effect on me, becuase I stop feeling itchy and sweating, and my pupils did get smaller, but it wasn't until a half hour later after I had a glass of whiskey and beer that I actually could say I felt "high" off the oxy.

Sounds like your H habit and tolerance is almost double what mine is,(I'm 30, male, right under 6ft, 200lbs) and you plan on eating the extended release oxys, I'd say you probably should start with at least 200mg at once (after you test you're tolerance to them, but I don't expect 80mg to do anything noticeable to you at all), and maybe look into dissolving them in soda or something to try and speed up that extended release crap, though I've never had much success with that myself. I know you want to try and dose 3xs a day, but with that extended release formula, I really don't think that I'll be too helpful.

Taking one "large" dose in the morning or early afternoon, hopefully tweaking the amount that it will be able to last you all day and get you to sleep at night, would be my advice. Personally, when I am trying to quit dope (or, I'll be honest, take a break from it), I'll use subs or zubsolv, and take a kinda big dose once a day around 9am, normally 6-8mg Buprenorphine, and I'll stick to that, just dosing once a day. I used to try and spilt it up, 4mg at 9am and 4 at 9pm, but I found it would cause me to crave more, especially if I had decided to have some beers or something in the early evening I've tried to tamper down using roxys after dope before, but once I left my tolerance get low enough again, I'll start using more oxy bc it finally is getting me high again, and the cycle starts all over. Now I'm hopeful this will be differnt for you, especially since your dope tolerance and use sounds like it far exceeds my own, but if after a few weeks your taper down isn't going as you hope, maybe look into suboxone or zubsolv, I know people say that withdrawing from Buprenorphine is worse than dope, but in my option it's worth it because no matter the amount of dope you're using, it'll eliminate withdrawal symptoms, and a maintenance dose of them is WAY less expensive than oxy, even with your stupid crazy prices for those 80's lol. Just something to consider, like I said I hope your plan works, bu given the similarities I felt to your story and plans, I had to share my own.

Wish you the best of luck, and please keep posting updates on how it is going!
Yes, you do half the amount quantity wise, but you also shoot it and I only sniff it so im probably doing more quantity per sitting and getting the same/less high because shooting is obviously more potent and direct. I'm also around the same weight etc.. but regardless that doesn't really matter too much in the grand scheme of things. I tried subs, and it did not go very well. I waited over 26 hours and was immediately thrown into 10x WORSE and most terrifying withdrawls of my life than what I was already experiencing. I refuse to try that again and frankly im scared of those things as of right now. When I taper down to a much more reasonable level, I may try switching to subs then as that will be an overall easier way to come completely off. Trying to taper that last hump of Oxy seems to be the hardest for a lot of people. For example, if someone was using 250mg/day and they tapered all the way down to 60mg/day or whatever, that last hump to dive below a certain threshold seems to be rough on the body.

Anyway, I greatly appreciate your story and insight and taking the time to message me here. This forum definitely helps ease the pain of even thinking about trying to come off drugs etc.. this is a great place for support and education.

I plan to document my taper progress as I go as I see a number of people are interested. I should be starting the transition very soon!

Thanks everyone!
 
I would assume your tolerance is higher now than before you started the heroin? Can only assume you will need more now than then unless you've been though a good bit of withdrawals already. Where I live people can get prescribed morphine ER for opiate addiction and their are quite a few people on between 1 and 2 grams of morphine daily which would be about 660mg-1320 mg of oxy. I always bought from the same dealer and the strength was quite consistent, always rocks/chunks but urine test told me it was a mix of heroin/fent. To find the right dose I would recommend using instant release or chewed oxy at first to see how much you need in a single instant release dose (Id start at like 50mg and titrate up by 20mg every 20min or so until you feel okay), then double that amount in Oxycontin Extended release form 2-3x a day should be similar. So if you needed 100mg oxy instant release to feel okay you would probably need something like 400-600mg per day total.
**UPDATE**

So, I actually tried using the pills today. I had 1 dose of dope in the morning around 10am (less than my usual amount) and I have so far taken:

- 40mg , which was taken 40mins prior to the dope around 9:15, chewed up.
- 30mg, around 12 noon, chewed up
- 30mg, around 2:30, not chewed up
I take each dose about 30mins or so prior to me actually "needing" it knowing it will take a little time to kick in.

So far so good and I do not feel much withdrawls at all as of now. Getting slightly anxious/antsy. The pills are upsetting my stomach a little though. It is currently 4:30 as I write this and I am starting to feel like I will have to dose a little more soon. But having only taken 100mg and getting this far makes me think I will only need around 250mg/300mg per day, which was my goal to be around.

I am considering tapering down a little on the dope first over the next week, especially during this quarantine period where there is really nothing to do. Sitting here is terrible, especially when coming off/down. It is hard just sitting around for the next 2 weeks thinking about everything mentally etc..

Anyway, that was my update for today. Any feedback is appreciated! Thanks guys!
 
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Sounds like tolerance may not be too too bad, maybe you were lucky enough to not be doing fentanyl. I still think you wont really know your true oxy requirements until you have a couple days off the heroin all together. I wouldn't be to surprised if 200-350mg of oxy was enough for a day though based on what you're saying. How have things been going the past few days, have managed to taper at all? Any little bit is a something you ought to be happy about. I like to think of any amount tapered as going back in time to the point where my addiction was at that particular dose, if you get down to even 50% of your old dose and wait out the withdrawls, you will be in a lot better of a mental place even though you aren't fully clean.

After a while of slow taper you sort of get used to not being high anymore and you/your brain will grow and learn to be happy on its own again even with the dose of opiates you still take due to the fact that its a dose lower than you need for pleasure. By the time you get to a tiny dose you will have been forced to learn to be happy naturally again if you went slow enough and you will find things in life that bring you that excitement the opiates used to, and stopping all together wont be nearly as difficult. Its a bit of a theory but thats how Ive felt during my taper.

Hope to see things go well for you good luck!
 
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