Bupe helping precipitated withdrawal
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Hi Jim. Contrary to what many posters here have stated. From what I can remember (it's been at least 4 years, so sorry if it's off, but I really don't think so, and you can check it if you search the Suboxone website for P.W.), if/when you go into precipitated withdrawals, you can combat the effects by dosing 2mg every couple of hours until you start to feel more stable. There may be like a time period that you must go through the P.W.'s (maybe 4 hours since first dose), there may not be a time period -- that actually might just be how long I was in P.W.'s before I read how to combat it on the Suboxone website??? I'm not really sure about the last part, as I said, it's been like 4 years and it only happened once. I was on those devils for one month and then had to get off them. As a side note, I saw a specialist center and the head M.D. said that they only use the Subutex...because it doesn't have the Naloxone in it, which causes super binding affinity in order to block concurrent opiate abuse, and when it's titrated down or god forbid, taken away at once, it causes massive withdrawal symptoms in most.............
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Precip is the worst thing ive gone through , it is worse than any opiate ive ever came off. I have PTSD from it, if i EVER have to expirience that again ill go insane and need restraints.
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Lmao, TW, I don't know you but I can picture the look and attitude he would of copped for that, omg......you can have the bike honey!
Still got the same BF? Thank you for the laugh, and I mean it in the nicest possible way TW, I bet exercise was at the top of your priority list after being narked back to life ffs.
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That MD is misinformed if i am understanding you correctly. I have a hard time comprehending how that works with naloxone when most of it is not absorbed subligually nor is it absorbed orally and when it finally is it only lasts for like 5 hours. Trying to push through PWD with 2mg every 4 hours could be rather painful if the PWD is caused by a longer acting opiate. I always suggest ending intense PWD by taking a strong regular opiate and then triturating it down, waiting over 24-72 hours and then trying to make the switch again.
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^ A lot of bl'rs swear by taking more full agonist opioids, to push through the precips'. But taking more suboxone, is a medical community consensus.
The duration of pwd, is dependent on dose. I always induct sub 1mg after 24 hours.. I've never had pwd, so I can't from experience which one works better, a partial or full agonist.
The duration of pwd, is dependent on dose. I always induct sub 1mg after 24 hours.. I've never had pwd, so I can't from experience which one works better, a partial or full agonist.
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I would think by now with all the information out there, users wanting to switch from methadone to bupe must first switch to a short acting opiate like oxycodone, morphine, or even heroin for a few days before going to the bupe.
When on a short acting opiate, I wait 24-36 hours. Sometimes if I do it at the 24 hour mark after short acting opiates, I only get the short term PWs then by the second day I ALWAYS stabilize.
One time I gave in after heroin use and dosing sub at 15 hours and got PWs pretty bad. It was like an hour of the intense feeling like I am gonna die WD, then it subsided and I felt like shit for a day recovering from it, then the second day came around, I dosed the bupe again and was stabilized.
When you get thrown into PWs, it isn't that the sub ain't working, it is working, but bupe is only a partial agonist. If you take it too early, your receptors are still screaming for a full agonist to fully activate them. So when you do the bupe too early, it first knocks the opiates off and you feel that intense WD cuz the opiates are ripped off all at once, then the bupe settles in, but those receptors are only partially activated, so I think that's why you feel some lingering WD after you get thru the PW.
So when you decide to do some smack the heroin attaches to what receptors it can, but most are occupied by the bupe and you feel better, but not full effects, so the sub IS working, but your body has to take a Lil time to get used to those mu receptors being only partially activated, which is why I think by the second day or so you tend to stabilize.
If you actually get thru waiting long enough to dose bupe, the bupe goes in, fills the receptors, and basicly say this is better than nothing, we'll roll with it.
This is just based on my experience from jumping back and forth from both long acting and short acting opiates to bupe, many, many times, and having been thru PW hell quite a few times.
Best thing to do is if you go into PW is ride it out. Don't take more sub, it's pointless it's already in you and working. You just have to let your body adjust to a partial agonist. Doing dope while in PW will help, but you have to wait again until you dose the bupe.
I hope I explained this right. If any of you have any questions, feel free to msg me. I have dealt with this many, many times.
When on a short acting opiate, I wait 24-36 hours. Sometimes if I do it at the 24 hour mark after short acting opiates, I only get the short term PWs then by the second day I ALWAYS stabilize.
One time I gave in after heroin use and dosing sub at 15 hours and got PWs pretty bad. It was like an hour of the intense feeling like I am gonna die WD, then it subsided and I felt like shit for a day recovering from it, then the second day came around, I dosed the bupe again and was stabilized.
When you get thrown into PWs, it isn't that the sub ain't working, it is working, but bupe is only a partial agonist. If you take it too early, your receptors are still screaming for a full agonist to fully activate them. So when you do the bupe too early, it first knocks the opiates off and you feel that intense WD cuz the opiates are ripped off all at once, then the bupe settles in, but those receptors are only partially activated, so I think that's why you feel some lingering WD after you get thru the PW.
So when you decide to do some smack the heroin attaches to what receptors it can, but most are occupied by the bupe and you feel better, but not full effects, so the sub IS working, but your body has to take a Lil time to get used to those mu receptors being only partially activated, which is why I think by the second day or so you tend to stabilize.
If you actually get thru waiting long enough to dose bupe, the bupe goes in, fills the receptors, and basicly say this is better than nothing, we'll roll with it.
This is just based on my experience from jumping back and forth from both long acting and short acting opiates to bupe, many, many times, and having been thru PW hell quite a few times.
Best thing to do is if you go into PW is ride it out. Don't take more sub, it's pointless it's already in you and working. You just have to let your body adjust to a partial agonist. Doing dope while in PW will help, but you have to wait again until you dose the bupe.
I hope I explained this right. If any of you have any questions, feel free to msg me. I have dealt with this many, many times.
So I've only signed up here to get some tips on how to avoid a precipitated withdrawal in my current situation. So the case is I've been on 8mgs of subutex for almost a year now, but since I've just run out of my pills and have to wait for a few days until I can see my doctor, I've been taking 30 mgs methadone for these 5 days only. I wonder how long should I wait to be able to safely take my subs again, given that I'm not in fact addicted to full agonists now. I've gone through this thread but have not found any descriptions of a situation similar to mine. I have read that precipitated withdrawals occur only then when a person is physically dependent on full agonists. So my question is; is this truth or will I go into precipitated withdrawal anyway, if I don't wait long enough? I would appreciate your help.
I have been on methadone for 3 years.
Tried a sub 3 days into withdrawal,worst decision I've ever made. Also I'm on a high dose of methadone. I've read that you want to taper down to 30mg for a few days and then go into full wd before switching to bup. Not the same situation but precipitated withdrawal is awful it feels like you are sweating ice.....
Tried a sub 3 days into withdrawal,worst decision I've ever made. Also I'm on a high dose of methadone. I've read that you want to taper down to 30mg for a few days and then go into full wd before switching to bup. Not the same situation but precipitated withdrawal is awful it feels like you are sweating ice.....
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Yes pwd is terrible, with long acting opioids such as methadone, sometimes it's better to switch to a short acting opioid for a week or two, then induct sub. This reduces the chance of pwd, so does inducting with 1mg or less.
So I finally waited for approximately 48 hours before I made a switch. I was in moderate withdrawal then. I assume that if I had been on higher doses of methadone for a prolonged time, then I would have waited more than that, but since I only made a switch for methadone from bupe for 6 days, it wasn't that bad. I took 1mg for the first induction, then after 20mins I did another 1mg till I rechead a dose of 4mg. Next day I took 8mgs as recommended by a doctor and I felt fine.
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Yes words can't explain the amount of pain and agony pw carry. I learned the hard way had been doing fent for 6 or 7 months everyday ran out went into panic mode ate like 6mg of a sub about 4 hours after my last bit and sit back and try and keep it together for the worst feeling you've ever felt x1000 for 7 hours for me before I passed out. So needless to say when I knew I was going to stop doing any opiates I told myself wait as long as you can until you can't handle it and then take a sub along with some heavy stimulants for the first 48 hours to help a bit then at 52 hours I ate 3mg of a sub then a other 24 hours I took about the same 3 4mg and then I was good very minimal symptoms along with all the other necessary items to help take the edge off of the wd.
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Many times I've seen people say pwd lasts only an hour or a couple hours.. Well here's my anecdotal tale.
Did a shot at night then walked to a friends house to get a sub for the next days urine test at the doc(I know it doesn't work like that but this was years ago).. But my friends house is hot like there is a cop that parked right at the end of his block as soon as I got there. He wanted to hand it thru the window but I was like no fucking way let me chill for a bit. Waited abou half an hour but was still too paranoid so I swallowed the suboxone strip and chased it with pop.
Before I even got home I could feel the cool icy hand of pwd gripping my stomach. My mom held my subs at the time but I begged her for another one.. Couple hours later another...
I took 5 fucking strips that night thinking it would help.. Ended up hallucinating. Never been more sick in my life. And it lasted for 3 entire days before I gave in spawned something And got some proper gear. Did a shit ton of it.. Didn't feel it.. Did a little more and felt a little relief.
Ended up taking the rest of the day to feel right. The weird part was it felt like using LESS dope broke through the pwd better. Could be any number of factors but that was my experience.
I've had pwd last for an hour when I was 20 hrs since last dose of opiate and I banged 2mg of suboxone. Sure then it wasn't too bad.
But do not be falsely lulled into thinking precipitated withdrawals cannot last DAYS.
Not to even mention methadone.
Did a shot at night then walked to a friends house to get a sub for the next days urine test at the doc(I know it doesn't work like that but this was years ago).. But my friends house is hot like there is a cop that parked right at the end of his block as soon as I got there. He wanted to hand it thru the window but I was like no fucking way let me chill for a bit. Waited abou half an hour but was still too paranoid so I swallowed the suboxone strip and chased it with pop.
Before I even got home I could feel the cool icy hand of pwd gripping my stomach. My mom held my subs at the time but I begged her for another one.. Couple hours later another...
I took 5 fucking strips that night thinking it would help.. Ended up hallucinating. Never been more sick in my life. And it lasted for 3 entire days before I gave in spawned something And got some proper gear. Did a shit ton of it.. Didn't feel it.. Did a little more and felt a little relief.
Ended up taking the rest of the day to feel right. The weird part was it felt like using LESS dope broke through the pwd better. Could be any number of factors but that was my experience.
I've had pwd last for an hour when I was 20 hrs since last dose of opiate and I banged 2mg of suboxone. Sure then it wasn't too bad.
But do not be falsely lulled into thinking precipitated withdrawals cannot last DAYS.
Not to even mention methadone.
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Ha! PWD only a few hours it lasts?That's funny. A couple years back I was on methadone maintenance , and unfortunately got in a situation where the clinic kicked me out for passing xanax to another patient, and because of this I got weaned down from 160mg and made it down to 20mg, at this point I was getting restless and irritable and needed to find a substitute to avoid withdrawal. So me being the genius I am, I called a former suboxone doctor of mine and explained my situation, he told me to not touch methadone for 48 hours and not touch any opiates for 24hrs before the visit with himx given I was only on 20my methadone he accepted me to convert he told me the 48 hour abstaining rule for methadone us bogus and I'm probably going to go through PED immediately. Funny thing is he had a hospital bed in his office set up for me and to monitor me for PWD..
Ok so this is what made me laugh, PWD is only a few hours or maybe 24hrs tops right? Well when PWD hit me, it hit me hard, it was like 1,000 times more intense than heroin withdrawl. I shad diarrhea so bad that I drained my whole colon out and it was all water, I was puking non stop, flopping like a fish, the WORST of it all was the MENTAL aspect of this PWD..
My whole life literally flashed in front of my favs like it would when your about to die, I was crying hysterically and had morbid thoughts. NoT fun! This super intense period lasted about 12 hours okay. ..and for about THREE WEEKS literally I felt like I was withdrawling from heroin
My doctor had me on 24mgs a day as he said he wanted to keep m receptor full to avoid being sick...yeah well 24mgs didn't do shit....whether what I had was true PWD or not it sure as hell was not a joke and methadone shouldn't be taken lightly at all.
Ok so this is what made me laugh, PWD is only a few hours or maybe 24hrs tops right? Well when PWD hit me, it hit me hard, it was like 1,000 times more intense than heroin withdrawl. I shad diarrhea so bad that I drained my whole colon out and it was all water, I was puking non stop, flopping like a fish, the WORST of it all was the MENTAL aspect of this PWD..
My whole life literally flashed in front of my favs like it would when your about to die, I was crying hysterically and had morbid thoughts. NoT fun! This super intense period lasted about 12 hours okay. ..and for about THREE WEEKS literally I felt like I was withdrawling from heroin
My doctor had me on 24mgs a day as he said he wanted to keep m receptor full to avoid being sick...yeah well 24mgs didn't do shit....whether what I had was true PWD or not it sure as hell was not a joke and methadone shouldn't be taken lightly at all.
Thought I'd add to the topic of this thread, I'm a new user to posting on here so please be kind!
To make a long story short I was put on subutex initially, by my internist due to a slew of painful bowel and stomach problems. Id been prescribed various opiates in the past and he finally landed on this as along term pain maintenance drug. The medicine worked amazingly I finally could get back to a healthy weight, I was "healthy" again finally. Or so I thought.
I've only heard of a few other people (personally) who were prescribed suboxone or subtex for reasons other than addiction, I was completely ignorant and young, had no idea the nightmare that was coming. That doctor, subsequently is no longer a doctor, hm wonder why. After a couple years, I started to learn more and more of this medicine and it's detriment. My teeth literally started decaying away (not a pretty sight as you can imagine) and I was convinced I needed to stop taking it, regardless if I'd be sick with my stomach again or not. Although I tapered down, withdrawals were too much for me, and not just physical, I have dealt with incredible physical sickness for years, that is tolerable. I'm talking the crippling depression. It seems endless. And without going into an even longer story, I have lostalmost my entire immediate family at a young age. All those closest to me. Including having my young son taken from me (not by the state or CPS like actually taken taken)
Sooo needless to say I had a lot of demons I was fighting without adding on withdrawal depression. I was afraid I'd become suicidal (again) so I stayed on the subutex.
It numbed me in every aspect of my life I no longer cared for anything, had passions, I was like a zombie.
Now I'm sure most of you if not all of you know the struggles of obtaining this medicine and the costs. It strained my marriage, it ruled my mind, I realized long ago I'm completely addicted to this garbage, it wasn't about being sick anymore. Most subutex doctors refused to treat me because I was not prescribed it for addiction purposes, and pain management doctors hear you're on sub and they close the door to you.my life started to settle and get better so I finally decided one day after being blown off once again by my doctor that I was DONE.
At this point I'd been on 16mg of suboxone for going on 6 years. Read all the horror stories, how paws can last month's, depression some times for the rest of your life. I was terrified. But in my heart I knew this had to stop.
Withdrawals set in after a day or so, got worse, couldn't sleep, etc.all the usual you hear. I was so miserable I googled at home natural remedies for withdrawal, and bingo that's when I found kratom.
I can tell you, it immediately relieved all my symptoms it didn't give a high like pills do, but it definitely lifted my spirits and relieved my pain. And after jumping off suddenly at 16mg of sub you can imagine I had plenty of pain.
The only time I felt any withdrawals was in the morning when I'd wake up. I'd take my 5-6 grams of kratom and I'd be perfectly fine for almost the entire day. I'd take a couple grams in the evening to maintain.
I'm posting this because I promise you, YOU CAN DO THIS I thought I would be on the sub forever, I thought if I quit I'd surely dio something drastic, from the depression. I was 100% hopeless and terrified. Convinced myself for a million reasons to not quite. If I can do it I promise you, you can.
Kratom saved me and I'm happy to say I've been off any medication for 6 weeks and not an ounce of depression or withdrawal. I've began playing music again, doing things I used to love again I'm who I used to be, and it feels so good again. You can too, and if anyone would like any details on how I got through the withdrawals and specifics don't hesitate to ask
Thanks for taking the time to read, don't give up people!
To make a long story short I was put on subutex initially, by my internist due to a slew of painful bowel and stomach problems. Id been prescribed various opiates in the past and he finally landed on this as along term pain maintenance drug. The medicine worked amazingly I finally could get back to a healthy weight, I was "healthy" again finally. Or so I thought.
I've only heard of a few other people (personally) who were prescribed suboxone or subtex for reasons other than addiction, I was completely ignorant and young, had no idea the nightmare that was coming. That doctor, subsequently is no longer a doctor, hm wonder why. After a couple years, I started to learn more and more of this medicine and it's detriment. My teeth literally started decaying away (not a pretty sight as you can imagine) and I was convinced I needed to stop taking it, regardless if I'd be sick with my stomach again or not. Although I tapered down, withdrawals were too much for me, and not just physical, I have dealt with incredible physical sickness for years, that is tolerable. I'm talking the crippling depression. It seems endless. And without going into an even longer story, I have lostalmost my entire immediate family at a young age. All those closest to me. Including having my young son taken from me (not by the state or CPS like actually taken taken)
Sooo needless to say I had a lot of demons I was fighting without adding on withdrawal depression. I was afraid I'd become suicidal (again) so I stayed on the subutex.
It numbed me in every aspect of my life I no longer cared for anything, had passions, I was like a zombie.
Now I'm sure most of you if not all of you know the struggles of obtaining this medicine and the costs. It strained my marriage, it ruled my mind, I realized long ago I'm completely addicted to this garbage, it wasn't about being sick anymore. Most subutex doctors refused to treat me because I was not prescribed it for addiction purposes, and pain management doctors hear you're on sub and they close the door to you.my life started to settle and get better so I finally decided one day after being blown off once again by my doctor that I was DONE.
At this point I'd been on 16mg of suboxone for going on 6 years. Read all the horror stories, how paws can last month's, depression some times for the rest of your life. I was terrified. But in my heart I knew this had to stop.
Withdrawals set in after a day or so, got worse, couldn't sleep, etc.all the usual you hear. I was so miserable I googled at home natural remedies for withdrawal, and bingo that's when I found kratom.
I can tell you, it immediately relieved all my symptoms it didn't give a high like pills do, but it definitely lifted my spirits and relieved my pain. And after jumping off suddenly at 16mg of sub you can imagine I had plenty of pain.
The only time I felt any withdrawals was in the morning when I'd wake up. I'd take my 5-6 grams of kratom and I'd be perfectly fine for almost the entire day. I'd take a couple grams in the evening to maintain.
I'm posting this because I promise you, YOU CAN DO THIS I thought I would be on the sub forever, I thought if I quit I'd surely dio something drastic, from the depression. I was 100% hopeless and terrified. Convinced myself for a million reasons to not quite. If I can do it I promise you, you can.
Kratom saved me and I'm happy to say I've been off any medication for 6 weeks and not an ounce of depression or withdrawal. I've began playing music again, doing things I used to love again I'm who I used to be, and it feels so good again. You can too, and if anyone would like any details on how I got through the withdrawals and specifics don't hesitate to ask
Thanks for taking the time to read, don't give up people!
Confirmed - Shooting bupe/nal does not cause PWDs
This thread is for the topic of "Injecting SubZub." But there are only a handful of actual posts regarding this. The rest of you all sound like you're sitting in a fucking circle at an NA meeting telling stories, lets be on topic. So I felt compelled to create this account just so I could post this. There is NOT enough information about shooting Bupe.
Anyway what had happened was.....
I am dependent on Bupe. I take 1 or sometimes 2 subs per day. I had no other opioids in my system (I think this is the key).
I shot a 5.7mg Zubsolv for my first time today. I would say overall it was a great experience. I wouldn't go out of my way every day to do that but it has it's perks. Such as getting 100% bioavail, not having to suck on a piece of shit under your tongue is nice, instant fix if you're in bupe withdraw, and I felt a nice buzz for a good while. In the past I have shot Subutex routinely but I changed doctors and this new one is a cock about "people might inject subutex." Well In comparison, Subutex(generic 8 ) is a fucking hot mess to prepare for shot. I always cut them in half and prep with 80units and then use the dopewater to prep the 2nd half. Takes like 10mins sometimes. I dropped the whole Zubsolv into a spoon put 30units water on it and it was GONE. Melted. The Rig pulled all the liquid and left very little powder. I put another 30units into the spoon and sucked that up too as a rinse. It didn't burn and I did get a pretty noticeable buzz from it. Ive also shot Suboxone(generic 8 orange) and those fuckers burned. I recommend that I do this again. I do not think anbody should shoot bupe or bupe/nal if you have ANY trace of any other opioids in their system. I know I wont try it.
I find it funny that my doctor tells people that he shuns Subutex cause people can shoot it and in reality, I think Zubsolv was less messy and ultimately got me higher. Think I should tell him? 8)
This thread is for the topic of "Injecting SubZub." But there are only a handful of actual posts regarding this. The rest of you all sound like you're sitting in a fucking circle at an NA meeting telling stories, lets be on topic. So I felt compelled to create this account just so I could post this. There is NOT enough information about shooting Bupe.
Anyway what had happened was.....
I am dependent on Bupe. I take 1 or sometimes 2 subs per day. I had no other opioids in my system (I think this is the key).
I shot a 5.7mg Zubsolv for my first time today. I would say overall it was a great experience. I wouldn't go out of my way every day to do that but it has it's perks. Such as getting 100% bioavail, not having to suck on a piece of shit under your tongue is nice, instant fix if you're in bupe withdraw, and I felt a nice buzz for a good while. In the past I have shot Subutex routinely but I changed doctors and this new one is a cock about "people might inject subutex." Well In comparison, Subutex(generic 8 ) is a fucking hot mess to prepare for shot. I always cut them in half and prep with 80units and then use the dopewater to prep the 2nd half. Takes like 10mins sometimes. I dropped the whole Zubsolv into a spoon put 30units water on it and it was GONE. Melted. The Rig pulled all the liquid and left very little powder. I put another 30units into the spoon and sucked that up too as a rinse. It didn't burn and I did get a pretty noticeable buzz from it. Ive also shot Suboxone(generic 8 orange) and those fuckers burned. I recommend that I do this again. I do not think anbody should shoot bupe or bupe/nal if you have ANY trace of any other opioids in their system. I know I wont try it.
I find it funny that my doctor tells people that he shuns Subutex cause people can shoot it and in reality, I think Zubsolv was less messy and ultimately got me higher. Think I should tell him? 8)
After being on subutex for 3 years. If I stop and do dope for a week. If I take my last shot at 9 pm. I can wake up and take a sub and be fine. Idk if that's from the build up. But the best thing is to start off very low dose of sub. And slowly add more if u don't go into pw/d
Hello everybody! Since I am new to forum, could some admin transfer this post to the place where it belongs? Apologizing for any inconvenience.
After years of heroin abuse, buprenorphine came into our country and I started using it. I was genuinely happy, never thought about other drugs. But, after a year of using (I was snorting it because all of my friends did the same) last month it just stopped working-all of a sudden. Nobody experienced it among my crew, so I am compeletely perplexed. I don't feel pain, only a mild headache, I am unable to work entire day like I did just weeks before-no "rush", I am just pain-free, but completely indifferent, slow, without will to get up from my bed. After two hours of work I go home, without energy and zeal that I used to have practically-yesterday. What happened? I wasn't sick or anything, neither I am now-I am just without motivation, without energy. I tried to stop for 2 weeks and to replace it with heroin, thinking that the initial thrill from bupe will be back, but it never happened. I am thinking on tapering down a few months and then stop-the only problem is that I have highly paid job, and that I am known as a lucid and active person-I don't know how to manage the taparing, and, the most important thing-does anybody know why bupe stopped working for me? I even cannot smoke any more, and after a short walk I am dead tired? Just to add, I was using 8-16mg daily for a year, and last month the normal "work" that bupe provides dissapeared-I feel tired, sober, without energy... Please help me somehow. I have to quit, but if there is some magic way for the initial feeling to return, I would like to know!
And is it possible to switch on heroin for 3weeks, to avoid bupe withdrawal, and then to suffer from that paw, since it is less painfull?
After years of heroin abuse, buprenorphine came into our country and I started using it. I was genuinely happy, never thought about other drugs. But, after a year of using (I was snorting it because all of my friends did the same) last month it just stopped working-all of a sudden. Nobody experienced it among my crew, so I am compeletely perplexed. I don't feel pain, only a mild headache, I am unable to work entire day like I did just weeks before-no "rush", I am just pain-free, but completely indifferent, slow, without will to get up from my bed. After two hours of work I go home, without energy and zeal that I used to have practically-yesterday. What happened? I wasn't sick or anything, neither I am now-I am just without motivation, without energy. I tried to stop for 2 weeks and to replace it with heroin, thinking that the initial thrill from bupe will be back, but it never happened. I am thinking on tapering down a few months and then stop-the only problem is that I have highly paid job, and that I am known as a lucid and active person-I don't know how to manage the taparing, and, the most important thing-does anybody know why bupe stopped working for me? I even cannot smoke any more, and after a short walk I am dead tired? Just to add, I was using 8-16mg daily for a year, and last month the normal "work" that bupe provides dissapeared-I feel tired, sober, without energy... Please help me somehow. I have to quit, but if there is some magic way for the initial feeling to return, I would like to know!
And is it possible to switch on heroin for 3weeks, to avoid bupe withdrawal, and then to suffer from that paw, since it is less painfull?
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what i noticed from when i was on bupe for like 1 year straight, when i stopped and started dope again, then went back to bupe it just wasnt as exciteable as it use to be, when i would do dope then switch back to bupe i would end up taking like twice the amount that i use to take, and it just doesnt seem all that great anymore. Just stay on the bupe and keep fighting to work hard