Help. Opiate problem apparently no one else has ever had. Might kill me...

[Caprirs302]

To make a long story as short as possible I will start by simply saying that I was treated for chronic pain for nearly a decade. The usual, everything from hydrocodone to fentanyl. It managed things, I suppose, but through that time I switched meds and doctors many times. I withdrew from oxycodone of some sort dozens of times, sometimes requiring help from suboxone and other various resources.

After nearly a decade my pain subsided. It was a miracle and I was ready to get back to life, but it was not to be.

The last med I was on was a long acting form of oxycodone called xtampza, or deterx. It was supposed to be merely just a tamper proof form of oxycodone. I quit using xtampza almost cold Turkey (90mg a day) thinking I would just go through withdrawal one last time. It was not to be. The withdrawals for this beast seemed to last forever. A few weeks later I decided to taper. This is where things get strange.

Normally when you take a little bit of medication it relieves symptoms, standard for opiates.

If i took a small amount to relieve symptoms I GOT EXTREMELY HIGH!

Has this ever happened to anyone? I cannot find any reference anywhere on the internet. At all.

I was at a point where about 1/1000 of a milligram would get me high. Literally a spec of dust from a cracked oxycodone pill.

Have any of you ever experienced this?

This went on for nearly a year. I needed something to ease the withdrawals, but taking smaller and smaller amounts kept getting me high instead of helping. One time I accidentally took a little too much (still measured in thousandths of mgs) and was high as s kite for over 7 hours.

It was over a year before I could take a 10mg oxycodone and have it feel like a 10mg oxycodone pill.

At that point all withdrawal symptoms went away except for a tingling in my hands, which has always been the first sign of withdrawal for me over the years. I went for months without taking anything hoping I would heal further but I havent.

All this time I had bottles of leftover pills in my safe. Taking a few here or there relieved symptoms instantly.

This is where my new problems come in. Convincing anyone this is opiate related is impossible. My pain dr. flat out calls me a liar, and anyone new I see, well, you can probably imagine just thinks I'm looking for drugs.

A psychiatrist at the hospital suggested suboxone, but 3 suboxone dr.'a refused to treat me because, and this pissed me off, I wasn't an addict.

My only choices as it seems are to get pills off the street, lie to the local doctors and say I have an addiction (shameful on them)or suicide.

Any thoughts? Please help if you can...

 

[G_Chem]

“”I went for months without taking anything hoping I would heal further but I havent.

All this time I had bottles of leftover pills in my safe. Taking a few here or there relieved symptoms instantly.””

These two lines majorly contradict each other, taking some here and there is quite a bit different from “not taking anything.”

This is common though, in your mind your not taking anything relative to what you did but everytime you take a little to “relieve the symptoms instantly” you’ve thrown yourself right back to square 1.

Truly stop and you’ll see improvements.

-GC

 

[Caprirs302]

“”I went for months without taking anything hoping I would heal further but I havent.

All this time I had bottles of leftover pills in my safe. Taking a few here or there relieved symptoms instantly.””

These two lines majorly contradict each other, taking some here and there is quite a bit different from “not taking anything.”

This is common though, in your mind your not taking anything relative to what you did but everytime you take a little to “relieve the symptoms instantly” you’ve thrown yourself right back to square 1.

Truly stop and you’ll see improvements.

-GC

Thanks, I understand, what you are saying. My little bit here or there though was not only for relief but to test for myself if the problem was opiate related or something new, since withdrawals shouldn't last that long.

I am currently taking vivitrol, which should have zero effect on a person that is not opiate dependent, but it also relieves symptoms. Which scares the hell out of me because I think I might be permanently damaged

 

[G_Chem]

After re-reading your post I must admit I’m having trouble understanding. So are you just currently going through a nasty withdrawal? Is it just tingly hands your going through?

Parts of the post sounds like the withdrawal wasn’t too bad, and that when you try to take a small amount you get super high. Both reasons to just stay away from it.

That said if your still experiencing bad withdrawal, that’s completely understandable given the timeline of use.

Withdrawals last as long as they last. You’ve got acute and then post acute. For people with a longer time of use, the post acute withdrawals may be tougher and longer relative to the time the drug was used.

The brain is something that can heal itself, in time you will be whole again. Just Oxycodone is unfortunately a nasty one to get off.

-GC

 

[Caprirs302]

After re-reading your post I must admit I’m having trouble understanding. So are you just currently going through a nasty withdrawal? Is it just tingly hands your going through?

Parts of the post sounds like the withdrawal wasn’t too bad, and that when you try to take a small amount you get super high. Both reasons to just stay away from it.

That said if your still experiencing bad withdrawal, that’s completely understandable given the timeline of use.

Withdrawals last as long as they last. You’ve got acute and then post acute. For people with a longer time of use, the post acute withdrawals may be tougher and longer relative to the time the drug was used.

The brain is something that can heal itself, in time you will be whole again. Just Oxycodone is unfortunately a nasty one to get off.

-GC

Thanks for the reply. It helps to have people listen.

I was really curious though, because I was wondering if anyone has ever had their body be backwards and get incredibly high off of small amount, micro amounts, during their withdrawal.

It seems I'm the only one...

 

[nznity]

I'm gonna be honest with you, some people might say that withdrawals onliy last 5 days and then couple months the paws... Thats utter bullshit. The first time I withdrew from oxycontin I went cold turkey since I didn't know about comfort meds at the time and it took 2 months for my body to feel somewhat normal. Seriously it just goes on and on and on. The fatigue lasts so long, u feel like a 70year old dude even tho you should be an energetic 20-40yo. Just try to taper to the lowest dose possible and jump from there with loperamide and gabapentin, without those meds I wouldn't be able to withdraw. You'd have to strap me to a bed forreal. Goodluck n getting clean.

 

[G_Chem]

^^^That fatigue is why I’m still on Suboxone to this day. I can’t stand that feeling.

I can deal with all the rest of it, but that fully body lethargy that weighs you down is the worst.

-GC

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Might this be a manifestation of the kind of reverse tolerance that is sometimes seen with barbiturates?

The CNS organic damage potential for opiate pain medications is very close to zero, with the exception of those with neurotoxic metabolites which have a tendency to accumulate in the body in the intermediate and long term, such many of the 4-phenylpiperidine synthetics such as pethidine, trimeperidine, loperamide, to a lesser extent the prodine sub-family of the 4-phenylpiperidines, with a very small group of others scattered across the narcotic family tree.

Best of luck

 

[nznity]

^^^That fatigue is why I’m still on Suboxone to this day. I can’t stand that feeling.

I can deal with all the rest of it, but that fully body lethargy that weighs you down is the worst.

-GC

bro, I know right it's so godam awful to feel lethargic all the time. I was 19 at the time and I rmemeber I was one month clean from oxy. One night I decided to go to the casino with 2 buddies to get some fresh air I was going nuts from staying home all day for weeks. After 10mins walking I got so tired man, I had to force myself to walk it was so bad. I was thinking "this must be how a 70 yo feels like" smoking joints with them made it even worse my legs felt like jelly. Another symptom that is really bad is the crippling depression/anhedonia. Nothing feels good at all, nothing. All u think about is how good a shot would feel right nowww. I would just enjoy sitting in the couch and nodding off fucked up shit. What a sad life it is to be a junkie, just a waste of time doing dope.

 

[WellTram]

They are downers but u feel tired without them (and maybe sad, low mood) because they wreck havock on your hormones and natural body endorohine and dopamine and testosterone homeostasis. It will get better with tíme, EXERCISE, good diet but i had a good experience with Modafinil. Trying to take the dose u will find not too speedy but effective (50-400mg). The lethargy was eliminated straight away.

 

[realcat67]

What about kratom or bpc157. Have you tried either?

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Your situation is a strange one. Only opioid I can think of that would act in this manner is buprenorphine. The lower the dose, the better for pain and recreational effects.

Sorry to hear you're struggling with finding pain relief. I have family members going through this exact same thing at the moment. You are lucky to even get anything for pain even if you have cancer now a days. It's sickening.


For the record,
I've been on buprenorphine for almost 5 years now.

I'm tired when I take it and tired when I don't take it. I recently had labs done and everything came back good. Liver is good. Testosterone was good. Blood sugar, etc.
I wouldn't suggest going on buprenorphine if you need opioids for pain. Sure it will help withdrawal symptoms but it is a horrible analgesic.

 

[downfallin]

Thanks, I understand, what you are saying. My little bit here or there though was not only for relief but to test for myself if the problem was opiate related or something new, since withdrawals shouldn't last that long.

I am currently taking vivitrol, which should have zero effect on a person that is not opiate dependent, but it also relieves symptoms. Which scares the hell out of me because I think I might be permanently damaged

So... you are currently on vivitrol? Vivitrol is not an opiate, it is the exact opposite. It`s an extremely strong opiate blocker. It the vivitrol shots are taking away your symptoms, this is not necessarily strange. It is claimed to help with post acute withdrawl symptoms which I would expect you would have given your described history. How Vivitrol takes away post acute withdrawal symptoms though, don`t think anyone`s really sure because again, not an opiate, it`s a blocker and if it`s taken before you`re already done with withdrawls it will NOT take anything away, but it WILL send you to the worst hell of withdrawl times 1000 so its kind of a mystery how that works, but its a common response still. When I took Vivitrol it would help take away cravings and post acute withdrawls, but the cravings would start to return the last week or so before the next shot. It may have been purely psychological because I knew I couldn`t physically get high no matter how much I used. Which brings me to the part that's confusing me. You are using ON VIVITROL and GETTING HIGH? And not on multiple grams of H but tiny amounts of oxy? This part makes no sense to me. Was the chipping to "test" you were doing before you got the Vivitrol shot? Because that shot is one tough bitch to crack if you want to break through, most people O.D. before they feel any high because it blocks the high so well...just not the respiratory depression. So yeah from that standpoint I don`t understand your situation, but other than the Vivitrol, it is totally normal to have your tolerance drop to nothing when you quit and get really high from comparatively small amounts. My advice is to stop the "testing", because just because you arent in the first week, your brain is still going to take actual TIME to heal which is why people don`t go to rehab for a week usually, the more effective ones are 3 months + because then you are more out of the woods. So give it time.
Edit: Just realized this thread is really old and just got revived XD.

 

[Xorkoth]

^^^That fatigue is why I’m still on Suboxone to this day. I can’t stand that feeling.

I can deal with all the rest of it, but that fully body lethargy that weighs you down is the worst.

-GC

I wish lethargy was the worst of what I experience. For me it's the utter inability to sleep for weeks on end, and inability to stop moving my limbs. It's utter torture, if I could sleep I'd just do that, it would be awesome.

What about kratom or bpc157. Have you tried either?

BPC-157 has nothing to do with opiates whatsoever, I should know, I use it daily, it does not do anything for opiate withdrawal, though it does help with joint pain, and seems to reduce desire for stimulants.

 

[Pickledlemons]

So... you are currently on vivitrol? Vivitrol is not an opiate, it is the exact opposite. It`s an extremely strong opiate blocker. It the vivitrol shots are taking away your symptoms, this is not necessarily strange. It is claimed to help with post acute withdrawl symptoms which I would expect you would have given your described history. How Vivitrol takes away post acute withdrawal symptoms though, don`t think anyone`s really sure because again, not an opiate, it`s a blocker and if it`s taken before you`re already done with withdrawls it will NOT take anything away, but it WILL send you to the worst hell of withdrawl times 1000 so its kind of a mystery how that works, but its a common response still. When I took Vivitrol it would help take away cravings and post acute withdrawls, but the cravings would start to return the last week or so before the next shot. It may have been purely psychological because I knew I couldn`t physically get high no matter how much I used. Which brings me to the part that's confusing me. You are using ON VIVITROL and GETTING HIGH? And not on multiple grams of H but tiny amounts of oxy? This part makes no sense to me. Was the chipping to "test" you were doing before you got the Vivitrol shot? Because that shot is one tough bitch to crack if you want to break through, most people O.D. before they feel any high because it blocks the high so well...just not the respiratory depression. So yeah from that standpoint I don`t understand your situation, but other than the Vivitrol, it is totally normal to have your tolerance drop to nothing when you quit and get really high from comparatively small amounts. My advice is to stop the "testing", because just because you arent in the first week, your brain is still going to take actual TIME to heal which is why people don`t go to rehab for a week usually, the more effective ones are 3 months + because then you are more out of the woods. So give it time.
Edit: Just realized this thread is really old and just got revived XD.

.... it is not normal to get high from less than one mg of oxy no matter who you are... Especially not someone with 10+ years experience with opioids. I cant figure this one out... but if OP is still around I do have one question...do you ever take amphetamines or any other stimulants?

 

[Toodlepip]

I'm gonna be honest with you, some people might say that withdrawals onliy last 5 days and then couple months the paws... Thats utter bullshit. The first time I withdrew from oxycontin I went cold turkey since I didn't know about comfort meds at the time and it took 2 months for my body to feel somewhat normal. Seriously it just goes on and on and on. The fatigue lasts so long, u feel like a 70year old dude even tho you should be an energetic 20-40yo. Just try to taper to the lowest dose possible and jump from there with loperamide and gabapentin, without those meds I wouldn't be able to withdraw. You'd have to strap me to a bed forreal. Goodluck n getting clean.

5 days is total nonsense so I agree with you, it’s not the dosage problem I feel it’s the length of time you have been taken opiates. I’m 8 years opiate prescribed and my taper so far is a year long, I will probably take at least 18 months to stop completely. My mental heath is becoming an issue through tapering.