Hello and an MDPV Question

captain codshit said:
I recieved what I believe is proper "Tan" today. Tested a 7-10mg bump, was very uplifted, focused & general feeling of well being. Since then I was persuaded to chase 20mg and it is clean stimulation, slightly rushy & euphoric. No anxiety like the white would give me doing that much so quick. Am very wired now though but loving it. 99.9% sure it's a different drug/synth to any other time I've tried PV. Smells different & different consistency. Had a mad wank & plenty more porn to be viewed!

See MDPV thread for pics.
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This means nothing - the placebo affect of having something you think is "tan MDPV" I'm sure is strong enough to modify the effects in the way you believe they should be.
 
I must admit captain codshit's description of the effects sound a little mild for true "tan". It's not "slightly euphoric" when vapourised, it's CRAZY euphoric lol... however, even if it is only a little bit euphoric it's clearly different from MDPV HCl which is not euphoric in the slightest.
 
Next Generation?

I'd like to suggest that this process has (either accidentally, or more impressively, by design) created a very nice cathinone analogue. Depending on where you are located, this drug is most likely legal. The process itself has frightening potential for the RC scene, and indeed, I can see some very interesting chemicals being produced by this form of organic chemistry, which will likely generate a new wave of powerful drugs onto the legal scene.

People interested in the chemistry should consider what reaction is actually happening with the green/yellow oils, with reference to the chemical structure of MDPV (Methylenedioxypyrovalerone). Also question whether the initial product of the synthesis is a base or a salt, and then ask the same question after the 'decomposition' phase. (hint: acetic acid)

It's difficult to believe that a small selection of experienced moderators/contributors cannot see what's going on here, and I do hope their silence/mis-direction is driven by a desire to keep their beloved MDPV as under the radar as possible, rather than to hide what is quite possibly the basis for the next generation of high-quality legal highs. If the latter is assumed, surely the only motive can be commercial...

EDIT: Interestingly, the chemical I believe is being produced here is starting to show up on RC trading sites, and on a very few vendor websites, showing as 'coming soon'. My advice would be to save yourself the trouble of this synthesis, and the really quite dangerous solvent produced and exposed by the quicker synthesis methods; and just buy the drug itself. Frightens me to think how many people are now trying to cook this up at home in their kitchen with ad hoc domestic equipment.
 
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specialspack said:
This means nothing - the placebo affect of having something you think is "tan MDPV" I'm sure is strong enough to modify the effects in the way you believe they should be.
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Don't believe me if you don't want to mate. Your entitled to your opinions. But I think there will be more people testifying there is definately a difference when someone else who's ordered from same place tries it. This stuff is my new favorite drug I think, clean, clear headed, euphoric, horny & so easy on the body it feels like I haven't been awake one night already & still look normal :)

The only time I ever had decent white pv it didn't smell nearly like this & the hit was exceedingly shit in comparison to what I've found here.

Time for some more chasing I do believe ;)
 
captain codshit said:
I recieved what I believe is proper "Tan" today. Tested a 7-10mg bump, was very uplifted, focused & general feeling of well being. Since then I was persuaded to chase 20mg and it is clean stimulation, slightly rushy & euphoric. No anxiety like the white would give me doing that much so quick. Am very wired now though but loving it. 99.9% sure it's a different drug/synth to any other time I've tried PV. Smells different & different consistency. Had a mad wank & plenty more porn to be viewed!

See MDPV thread for pics.
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Is it soluble in water? You can test a small amount without risk of loss. If it's soluble let it evaporate and it comes back. If it's not, do the same.
 
vecktor said:
this has nothing to do with bacteria, which could be proved if someone wanted to by processing MDPV freebase after micron filtering into a sterile flask.

I have had a look at the theory of this, there might actually be some scientific basis to this tan myth, for a start we do not know whether just MDPV or a metabolite is the active, with out going into details there is a certain class of metabolites known to be formed from the closely related MPPP and the same process might be at play with MDPV, some of this metabolite could conceivably also be formed during the stuffmongerization of MDPV freebase, though there is a much more efficient way to make it directly.
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I won't nitpick the bacteria. We all have our ideas. However, there is OBVIOUSLY a transformation taking place. mdpv freebase is a light green, lighter than water oil. Fact. Somewhere in this process, all that oil disappears and is replaced by a heavier than water dark yellow oil. Doesn't take a genius to figure out they are not the same thing.

Having a hard time staying away from this thread. The dance is seductive.
 
Ok how much in how much water?

I might actually wait til my next batch arrives cos I have a feeling this g is getting pounded til it's gone. Seriously though I've done 90%+ cocaine & meth, this is way more fun than either. AMAZING chased!

I will defo try letting a little disolve and report back. It is ace though %) my new favorite drug <3

Thank you for this thread stuffmonger if nothing else it gave me the incentive to seek out something special :)
 
The most obvious difference between Tan and pv is the edgy, nervous, jittery high that pv inspires in virtually everyone. It absolutely is not there with the Tan, no matter how much you take. I believe I saw in your earlier post that this edgy, nervous high was not present with the batch you are using.

Tan is indeed easy on the body.

I am curious about where this comes from. And I looked at your photos carefully. The color is what you would get after about 24 hours of processing using the quick and dirty approach outlined above somewhere. It's way better than pv, but nowhere near where it should be. The best color is much darker - almost brown. You should write the supplier and inform them that they "hurried" the batch you got. Ask them to take their time next time. They may not even be aware that further processing deepens the mellow and heightens the libido effects.

captain codshit said:
Don't believe me if you don't want to mate. Your entitled to your opinions. But I think there will be more people testifying there is definately a difference when someone else who's ordered from same place tries it. This stuff is my new favorite drug I think, clean, clear headed, euphoric, horny & so easy on the body it feels like I haven't been awake one night already & still look normal :)

The only time I ever had decent white pv it didn't smell nearly like this & the hit was exceedingly shit in comparison to what I've found here.

Time for some more chasing I do believe ;)
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Just a few grains will do -- 5mg, say. In a teaspoon of water. pv is way hydrophillic and dissolves easily. Tan is not soluble.

captain codshit said:
Ok how much in how much water?

I might actually wait til my next batch arrives cos I have a feeling this g is getting pounded til it's gone. Seriously though I've done 90%+ cocaine & meth, this is way more fun than either. AMAZING chased!

I will defo try letting a little disolve and report back. It is ace though %) my new favorite drug <3

Thank you for this thread stuffmonger if nothing else it gave me the incentive to seek out something special :)
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stuffmonger said:
The most obvious difference between Tan and pv is the edgy, nervous, jittery high that pv inspires in virtually everyone. It absolutely is not there with the Tan, no matter how much you take. I believe I saw in your earlier post that this edgy, nervous high was not present with the batch you are using.

Tan is indeed easy on the body.

I am curious about where this comes from. And I looked at your photos carefully. The color is what you would get after about 24 hours of processing using the quick and dirty approach outlined above somewhere. It's way better than pv, but nowhere near where it should be. The best color is much darker - almost brown. You should write the supplier and inform them that they "hurried" the batch you got. Ask them to take their time next time. They may not even be aware that further processing deepens the mellow and heightens the libido effects.
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The commercial sale of a compulsive drug has the added consideration of 'profit', and the correct balance between strength, price, and dosage. I think as this product spreads, and indeed this type of analogue chemistry grows, I think you'll see your high strength version available at higher prices, and in smaller quantities. Indeed, the inevitable retail explosion of this will likely end up with brightly coloured adverts for a variety of available strengths (the last of which will of course be "criminally dangerous, and send your pets away for the weekend").
 
vecktor said:
this has nothing to do with bacteria, which could be proved if someone wanted to by processing MDPV freebase after micron filtering into a sterile flask.

nothing further to say at this point.
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You'll end up with pv. Guaranteed. I've done it. I don't have any idea why, but you need the soup of sodium bicarb, sodium carbonate, water, pv and heat in order to transform the pv freebase oil into whatever it turns into (the dark yellow, heavy oil-like substance). If you just isolate the pv freebase, then no matter what you do to it, you end up with either the pv freebase or a salt of pv. The Tan, whatever it is, just doesn't happen. Once you've created the new substance (dark yellow oil), you can try whatever you like, but nothing will happen to it without copious amounts of water and air - which transforms the goop into the Tan after a few days. Every attempt I've made in a Clean Room has failed to produce Tan. Very few attempts in normal atmosphere fail to produce Tan. If you can tell me what the difference is (sans bacteria) I'd be happy to know.
 
stuffmonger said:
The most obvious difference between Tan and pv is the edgy, nervous, jittery high that pv inspires in virtually everyone. It absolutely is not there with the Tan, no matter how much you take. I believe I saw in your earlier post that this edgy, nervous high was not present with the batch you are using.

Tan is indeed easy on the body.

I am curious about where this comes from. And I looked at your photos carefully. The color is what you would get after about 24 hours of processing using the quick and dirty approach outlined above somewhere. It's way better than pv, but nowhere near where it should be. The best color is much darker - almost brown. You should write the supplier and inform them that they "hurried" the batch you got. Ask them to take their time next time. They may not even be aware that further processing deepens the mellow and heightens the libido effects.
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I'm telling you man this blows any other high out of the water! Just about to go out but I'll test that idea now.

You were right all along though, it is not edgy, jittery or anxious in the slightest, more confidence than cocaine. And better than meth by miles....chased is mindblowing!

It doesn't disolve though man. Matches every other part of the profile.

Vendor said he was selling both yellow(what I have I presume, looks like tan) and white MDP now. It is definately amazing whatever the fuck it is.

I'm calling it "Frisk Alive" for now! =D
 
captain codshit said:
I'm telling you man this blows any other high out of the water! Just about to go out but I'll test that idea now.

You were right all along though, it is not edgy, jittery or anxious in the slightest, more confidence than cocaine. And better than meth by miles....chased is mindblowing!

It doesn't disolve though man. Matches every other part of the profile.
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Well then it matches the profile exactly :D

He said the tan doesn't dissolve, if I read and re-read correctly.


I would say you've stuck gold mate. Or tan, I suppose.
 
That's why.......I'm the Captain, and your the sailors. Except stuffmonger, he's Admiral! :)

Best Drug Ever Is NOOOOOOOO fucking myth!!! =D
 
captain codshit said:
I'm telling you man this blows any other high out of the water! Just about to go out but I'll test that idea now.

You were right all along though, it is not edgy, jittery or anxious in the slightest, more confidence than cocaine. And better than meth by miles....chased is mindblowing!

It doesn't disolve though man. Matches every other part of the profile.

Vendor said he was selling both yellow(what I have I presume, looks like tan) and white MDP now. It is definately amazing whatever the fuck it is.

I'm calling it "Frisk Alive" for now! =D
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Yes - Tan absolutely does not dissolve.

So folks--- please, get real now. It's time for the reckoning. What the Captain has here cannot possibly be mdpv, even though it is sold as mdpv and will certainly screen as mdpv (I have no doubt). Every known salt of mdpv is extremely hydrophilic - it dissolves nearly instantly and certainly completely in water. So it cannot be a salt of mdpv. If it isn't a salt, then it is the freebase form. But the freebase form is a light greenish oil. This is an undeniable fact. If what the captain has is not an oily, gooey substance (looks like dry powder to me in the photos), then it cannot be the freebase form of mdpv. There is no other possible state for mdpv to exist in (except the vapor, which for practical purposes we need not consider). So, please, get real. This is NOT mdpv. This is what I've been saying all along.

Please folks -- we have something brand new here, that even the manufacturers and suppliers do not understand. It's time, don't you think, to bury your doubts and help me. Or at least don't hinder me further.

P.S. What the Captain has, from the color, is a really poor version of the Tan. It's still a million times better than pv, and better than any other drug on the planet, but it's not what I would consider useable, given my options. I know this from looking at his photos. I see that color every single day, as each batch approaches the 24 hour mark. Another 48 hours and there would be something indescribable in the Captain's hands. It's still indescribable, no question. I had to live with that quality for a while until I had it all figured out. But call the supplier and demand that they run an experiment -- tell them to keep it in the air and water another 48 hours and see what happens.

I think that most experimenters stop when they see something that's expected to be pure white turn a dingy brown with festering globules of unknown matter putrescing along the edges. Past programming that limits experimentation or some such. But with the Tan, the nastier it looks and smells, the better. Call them.
 
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I have a question.

Say I followed either of your methods, but particularly your quick & dirty method. Would there be any practical method of removing the sodium bicarbonate from the end product?

For obvious reasons, I would like to avoid railing / smoking / injecting that.
 
Codders: My samples of tan always dissolved with a lil heat cos I used to IV it all the time. Have a feeling I may have had to add a smidge of citric acid though, come to think of it. 5mg chased was plenty for most folks. 20mg would be almost terrifyingly strong. Best. Drug. Ever. Will hopefully get to sample a sample soon via a friend more chemically minded than I who is also interested in the possibility. I would quite possibly lop off a ball to know how to make proper tan peevee.
 
ektamine said:
I have a question.

Say I followed either of your methods, but particularly your quick & dirty method. Would there be any practical method of removing the sodium bicarbonate from the end product?

For obvious reasons, I would like to avoid railing / smoking / injecting that.
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Yeah... I hear you. Life is not perfect. Haven't figured out how to remove it effectively. I bump everything so I just put up with the burn. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
 
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