Hello and an MDPV Question

[stuffmonger]

If I was a more skeptical man, I'd say this was the best astroturfing of a "legal highs" product I've ever seen. Pages of buildup, references to a legendary compound now lost, a scientist in the jungle, followed by the final signoff recommendation to purchase an Am-Hi-Co product.

A tip of the hat to you good sir. That being said, I have some white kicking around that I never got around to binning so never say never...

LOVE IT!!!

Checked back to see if anyone had any questions.

It would be good Astroturfing if I had not stated that the Am-Hi-Co product was still pretty much shit (Major vasoconstriction, inability to sleep, limited euphoria, jittery sort of product). I just pointed it out because it's the only other thing I know about that started with mdpv and processed it somehow to create something totally unknown - even though it still screens as pv. But if you do the simple steps to find the pv, it's not there. AND, the product's libido boost is huge and interesting - much like Tan, only weaker.

OK..... I see no questions and no work in progress, so I will leave you to whatever. Thanks again for the great comment above

 

[missing old pills]

LOVE IT!!!

Checked back to see if anyone had any questions.

It would be good Astroturfing if I had not stated that the Am-Hi-Co product was still pretty much shit (Major vasoconstriction, inability to sleep, limited euphoria, jittery sort of product). I just pointed it out because it's the only other thing I know about that started with mdpv and processed it somehow to create something totally unknown - even though it still screens as pv. But if you do the simple steps to find the pv, it's not there. AND, the product's libido boost is huge and interesting - much like Tan, only weaker.

OK..... I see no questions and no work in progress, so I will leave you to whatever. Thanks again for the great comment above

hey it's all a bit of fun pal

 

[Public//Enemy]

awww ive been waiting a fucking week for some. boy takes so much himself hes gone mad para and is in hiding.. well we cant find him anyway lol.

bad bastard and his PV lol

 

[Dash Riprock]

questions for yeppuni

The tertiary amine group is the most basic in all amines so Sodium bicarbonate is too weak to de-ionise MDPV. At least Ammonium hydroxide is needed.
And, the keto group is polar then it's better to organic solvent be used in this reaction is also polar, though dichlormethane is toxic, so if you need high yield it's better to use DCM but unless, use hexane or ether.

Hey yeppuni, good to see you back on again, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions. You mentioned before you had prepared some (freebase?) MDPV for smoking. What were the effects of this MDPV? Was it extremely euphoric? No cardiac effects or nervousness? Also, as a chemist, what are your thoughts on stuffmonger's process and what "tan" might actually be? Thanks

 

[yeppuni]

Hey yeppuni, good to see you back on again, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions. You mentioned before you had prepared some (freebase?) MDPV for smoking. What were the effects of this MDPV? Was it extremely euphoric? No cardiac effects or nervousness? Also, as a chemist, what are your thoughts on stuffmonger's process and what "tan" might actually be? Thanks

Official answer: I am a psychopharmacologist and/or an amateur chemist, nor recreational drug user, so I cannot answer such a question.

Private answer: I have no experiences of illegal drugs such as Meth or Cocaine, so though I cannot compare with them, but at least in the extent of legal research chemicals it produces not "extreme" but "amazing" or "unbelievable" euphoria with almost no side effects at all, without strong psychological dependence. It's natural if you know the Ki of dopamine reuptake potency of this substance, it's 20x fold stronger than Cocaine.

And, I don't know what substance the "tan" is, but in stuffmonger's process the yield is the complex of MDPV freebase and HCl, with some impurities. The "tan" might be MDPV freebase with pyrrolidine and salts, decomposed residue as impurities in my opinion.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Thanks very much for your answer yeppuni, it's just the info I was looking for, and roughly what I expected. One further thing: could this "yeppuni style MDPV" be prepared as a powder? And how would I describe it, in technical terms?

 

[yeppuni]

First, the expression of "yeppuni style" is wrong. It's one of the method to prepare Freebase from HCl salt and it's only basic chemistry, with no original idea at all. In other words, whoever do the process it yields the same thing, MDPV Freebase. And when adequately purified or recrystalised it's white powder, may not be able to distinguish from HCl salt, however, the liquid is yellow and due to its character of bonding it looks more "puff" and maybe has smaller density.

P.S. I am a medical student but not industrial chemist, sorry.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Thanks for clearing that up. Yes, I guessed as much but was just making a little joke with the "yeppuni style" thing. So what I'm looking for is "recrystalised MDPV freebase" (CAS number 687603-66-3) ? Does the powder smell more strongly than MDPV HCl? Also, if vapourised does it cause rapid heart beat?

 

[yeppuni]

Thanks for clearing that up. Yes, I guessed as much but was just making a little joke with the "yeppuni style" thing. So what I'm looking for is "recrystalised MDPV freebase" (CAS number 687603-66-3) ? Does the powder smell more strongly than MDPV HCl? Also, if vapourised does it cause rapid heart beat?

In low temperature and humidity environment it's almost indistinguishable to HCl salt in the aspect of smell. And it does not cause tachycardia (rapid heart rate in medical term) unless it's already decomposed. MDPV ordinarily does not cause tachycardia in fact, however, when you vapourising HCl salt its spontaneously start to decompose with to be vapour, so it's inevitable to inhale decomposed residues, which are very dangerous for your health.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Ah ok.So, once crystalised, does it decompose over time? Or will it only decompose if it is subject to too much heat (eg during preparation)? Sorry for all the questions, it's just I'm very interested in this substance, but I don't want to try a decomposed version then have a heart attack and die!

 

[yeppuni]

This might be depended on the method to recrystalise. Strictly defined, the term "recrystalise" is not accurate because this is not crystalline molecular, by the way, it might be reduced from beta-keto functional group to -OH in electrophilic solvent like ester or ether, but in alkanes and/or acetone it seems not to decompose. Time is one of the most important factor to detect speed of reactions in all chemical reaction, but it's negligible to be decomposing at lower than 15 degrees celsius, in my opinion.

 

[kenzone]

dear yeppuni, could you comment on Transform's suggestion? Although "quick and dirty" version is said to produce 90% of the full "tan" transformation effects, l am more interested in the cleaner version of tan. Will you try to reproduce stuffmonger's tan (including separation of the oil) at some point in the future or are you not that interested in it?

Just having a quick re-read, to move the oil up faster, have you considered electrostatics? Charged oil drpolets will have different hydrophilic/hydrophobic properties, which may cause them to rise out of the sediment or up the needle much faster.
I'd use a "negative ion generator" or the insides of an air ioniser, which both put out high voltage, low current electricity.

Transform if you are still following this thread, could you give some more information regarding electrostatics method you are suggesting? Or point me to a direction to study it myself?

 

[yeppuni]

dear yeppuni, could you comment on Transform's suggestion? Although "quick and dirty" version is said to produce 90% of the full "tan" transformation effects, l am more interested in the cleaner version of tan. Will you try to reproduce stuffmonger's tan (including separation of the oil) at some point in the future or are you not that interested in it?



Transform if you are still following this thread, could you give some more information regarding electrostatics method you are suggesting? Or point me to a direction to study it myself?

I'm sorry I'm ignorant of electrophysics, then I cannot answer in this part. Only suggestion, it's not enough to separate because for example using Ammonium hydroxide there're also NH4+, Cl-, OH- and freebase is almost not electrolytically dissociated, so it seems unable to separate.

I have no interest in stuffmonger's tan at all, because it's obvious that this is impure freebase and never has any worth over pure freebase for those who have scientific thought and knowledge.

P.S. Kenzone, are you an East asian?

 

[kenzone]

P.S. Kenzone, are you an East asian?

No l am european.
Thank you for your input. l really respect your point of view. Truly a scientist's attitude.

p.s i admire east Asia countries and culture though

 

[yeppuni]

No l am european.
Thank you for your input. l really respect your point of view. Truly a scientist's attitude.

I see. I am an Asian and there's a great myth that Western people is superior to Oriental in scientific attitude here, but I'm surprised that many Western people believe in Bible rather than scientific conclusion when the irony between them two, evolution and creation are a typical example. There're seldom who denies evolution here.

 

[Dash Riprock]

I see. I am an Asian and there's a great myth that Western people is superior to Oriental in scientific attitude here, but I'm surprised that many Western people believe in Bible rather than scientific conclusion when the irony between them two, evolution and creation are a typical example. There're seldom who denies evolution here.

I think you mean "many american people believe in Bible rather than scientific conclusion". Despite common belief in east asia, not all westerners are americans or share american attitudes. It's seldom you'd find anyone denying evolution outside of the USA.

 

[captain codshit]

This thread just inspired me to order some of that Ultimate Sextacy, now I need to download more porn before it gets here.

Ditto I've been downloading non stop for when my tan gets here. Hoping it will be tomorrow but that could be me being slightly optimistic.

 

[yeppuni]

I think you mean "many american people believe in Bible rather than scientific conclusion". Despite common belief in east asia, not all westerners are americans or share american attitudes. It's seldom you'd find anyone denying evolution outside of the USA.

I see. We would think all Western people think like the way that of American, but I recognised it's only prejudice and not the truth, thank you.

 

[sockpuppet]

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[yeppuni]

Please also remember that the US is a huge continent populated by people and cultures from all over the world with a very wide range of beliefs and lifestyles and values.

I would be foolish to assume that most Koreans are Moonies or that most Brits are inbred toffs. Similarly it is inaccurate to assume that the rubes you might seen at Tea Party rallies represent anything but one segment of American culture. This is a much more diverse population than most societies on the planet. Certainly much more diverse than most European and East Asian societies.


That caveat aside......it's like living in a Kindergarten Kountry! Fucking embarrassing to visit a civilized place like the UK and see Darwin on the currency and atheism as mainstream. The only thing that keeps me half sane living in the Belly of Beast in the Age of Palin is my obsession with the sexual potential of "tan mdpv".

This thread is pretty much all I have left to live for..... please give me hope stuffmonger!!

Sorry, I am not a Korean national, only have a great respect to their strong belief to construct a independent, scientific socialist state, however severe conditions around Korea, and understand Korean language. And, I also have a respect to the USA society for reason is the same as you said. I'm so impressed when I saw the website of American Embassy in my country, where written many notices to support human rights of U.S. nationals, wherever he/she is. This should be based on the American people's mind to respect all person has right to think and/or express own opinions freely, so though there're many problems the USA is respected from the world in its democracy, in East Asia it's NOT adequately supported at all aspects include Japan, South Korea, and so on.

P.S. I'm a materialist so am also an atheist, and I cannot understand why you assume materialists are childish, please tell me if you could. If it's based on a prejudice against Communism entirely covered in the USA, I think it's one of the dark side of the USA and should be reformed.