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has anyone tried vaporizing psychedelic essential oils?

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On E-Dot folks say that certain mildly psychedelic plants (like Calamus and Nutmeg) can be vaporized for good effects if they're in their essential oil form. I wondered if anyone on here has heard about or tried vaporizing herbal essential oils. If it is in fact true that Calamus and Nutmeg essential oils can be vaporized effectively this would offer certain advantages to orally ingesting them.

For one thing if one is eating Calamus root or ground Nutmeg there is a certain degree of nausea and toxicity and unpleasantness. Eating Calamus can particularly cause horrible nausea sometimes and eating Nutmeg can be extremely toxic to the liver. I would think that vaporizing the essential oil forms of these drugs would be a lot safer and more attractive and offer faster, more intense effects.

This is my wishful thinking talking though and my cynical side says the people who claimed vaporizing these oils works are bullshitting or crazy. It just sounds too good to be true, as Nutmeg and Calamus essential oils are extremelyyy cheap online.

Lastly, what techniques would you guys recommend if I wanted to make my own vaporizer? I should use a lightbulb or something else?
 
nutmeg and calamus are both pretty shitty drugs IMHO, the reason theyre cheap is because the body load is really not worth the high, vaporizing the essential oil of nutmeg might decrease the body load, but the high wouldnt be worth the effort


vape some DMT instead
 
People seriously smoke nutmeg? I thought that was a joke played on naive people.
 
(insert non-answer), DMT.

I don't think the OP was asking whether he should smoke either nutmeg or DMT, rather I think he is curious about
I would think that vaporizing the essential oil forms of these drugs would be a lot safer and more attractive and offer faster, more intense effects.
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On E-Dot folks say that certain mildly psychedelic plants (like Calamus and Nutmeg) can be vaporized for good effects if they're in their essential oil form.
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Yes, they smell really nice and can change the mood of a room (something very comforting about a room full of the smell of orange & nutmeg), but as to a psychedelic effect? I sense an urban myth in the making...
 
Let's try to offer constructive advice.... The Wizard wasn't asking for your opinions on the quality of the named plants.

Nutmeg can be used in the right manner to produce a somewhat worthwhile high, as can calamus (I seem to recall one poster here finds it a very useful ally). And as mentioned, smoking nutmeg is different than vaporizing nutmeg essential oils. The essential oil of nutmeg is actually used to make some actual psychedelic (or rather the myristicin and/or elemicin are)... I can't recall which one however.

I have no idea whether it would work or not. Or if I'd want to do it. But I'd be curious to know.

A lightbulb works alright for a vaporizer... it would be the easiest option for making your own. Perhaps someone has an idea for a better homemade vaporizer? There's The Machine for vaporizing DMT, but I'm not sure it would work for oils.
 
myristicin -> MMDA
elemicin -> Mescaline/TMA

Something tells me that the effects achieved from vaporizing these oils would be psychosomatic at best. Safrole is a known carcinogen, and these other oils are very closely related. I sure wouldn't do it.
 
Yeah actually using a light bulb to vaporize the oils is what was recommended to me. Too bad for me that I've never made a lightbulb vaporizer.

Where did you guys hear Calamus is toxic? Eating Calamus essential oil would be toxic (NEVER eat any herbal essential oils) but not all forms of Calamus root are toxic. Just because fresh Calamus can taste very unpleasant and sometimes cause nausea does not mean its toxic. I've used Japanese Sweet Flag (aka Calamus) 5X extract many times and never felt a toxic feeling at all.

I don't know why people would automatically assume that vaporizing essential oils of herbs that are known to be psychoactive orally would not work. Just because you don't hear of people doing this why automatically write it off as something that can't work?

Calamus and Nutmeg essential oils costed me extremely little online so I don't feel like I've much to lose. Plus I need to learn to build and use a vaporizer anyways.

I wish I understood enough about chemistry to know if the online recipes describing making TMA and MMDA from Nutmeg essential oil and TMA-2 from Calamus essential oil are feasible to pull off. Since these oils are so cheap and easy to get I'd assume lots of people would have attempted the procedures by now and the fact I haven't heard of people doing this suggests to me that chemists who looked at the procedures found difficulties.

Should i pour the Nutmeg and Calamus oils directly inside the lightbulb vaporizer or should i dip an herb in these oils and put the herb inside the bulb to vaporize?

If vaporizing Nutmeg or Calamus oil works I expect I'll get my best results vaporizing them while peaking on a psychedelic (perhaps some MG seeds, HBW seeds or MDxx's).

I don't mind if anyone here teases me for being weird enough to actually seriously consider trying to vaporize essential oils of 2 psychedelics with very sketchy reputations. Whatever. To each his own.

I wouldn't recommend anyone on here trying eating Nutmeg, by the way, as it's known to be very toxic orally (ESPECIALLY on the liver) and causes lots of side effects and an extremely long hangover. If anyone wants to try Calamus I'd recommend they start with the Japanese Sweet Flag 5X extract orally or sublingually.

It's pretty cool how these different precusors (Myristicin, Elemicin, Asarone) to psychedelic amphetamines are hidden in nature, eh? Now, if only I knew if Acacia rigidula was real or a hoax...
 
butane said:
myristicin -> MMDA
elemicin -> Mescaline/TMA
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ORLY?

Does this mean that if I drink lots of Arak or Sambuka (high% Anethol), I will die from PMA overdose?

When will people stop perpetuating the myth that the liver turns those essential oils into their respective Amphetamines?

(Unless you were talking about chemical synthesis, in which case disregard this post).
 
^^ I think butane was talking about external synthesis, not in vivo liver synthesis. :)
 
Regarding Nutmeg essential oil:

I've had a vial of it for a long time, and I use it (in combination with other essential oils) to vapourise for its nice aroma. I have read on Bluelight before that ingesting essential oils is not a good idea. I can't remember who said this, or with what authority, but I am not tempted to do so in any form. The Nutmeg reports I've read do not sound too appetising in terms of phsical effects, and I suspect vaporising would just speed up the time line so that physical effects that occur when nutmeg is swallowed over a period of many hours and don't sound particularly nice, would be ramped up and take place within a shorter time frame altogether. I have no evidence for this, besides my own reasoning power, but all in, it doesn't sound too attractive. Sombody correct me if you think I'm wide of the mark there.
I am by no means denigrating the mental effects of Nutmeg, since it obviously worked wonders for Malcolm X and was a catalyst for spiritual change in his case. But for me, well I can manage the odd bodyload here and there, but it is not something I would care to infict upon myself. There are, to my mind, less punishing routes to altered states.
Go carefully - all the best - Pipp
 
Look how much safer Tobacco is to smoke than to eat (not to say all that it's safe to smoke just obviously a lot safer than eating it). Perhaps smoking Nutmeg essential oil will be like this analogy (me and my darned wishful thinking).

I wonder how the effects of eating Mace compare to Nutmeg. I heard somewhere that Mace produces cleaner more enjoyable effects.

It's crazy but articles online claim people used to not just eat nutmeg but SNORT it (I don't even want to think about the pain that would cause). Then again, the internet also claims people get effects from smoking powdered Nutmeg which I doubt is true.

Has anyone tried to extract Myristicin or Elemicin from Nutmeg? Some guy on Erowid claimed he got pure Myristicin crystals from a Nutmeg extraction.

My very first psychedelic experiences other than DXM were Nutmeg actually (at the ripe age of 16). DXM (low doses back then) and Nutmeg were great introductions to tripping and primed me for all the psychedelic experiences that were to come. I do regret how often I ate Nutmeg when I was in high school now that I know it's so liver toxic. Luckily for me I took buttloads of Milk Thistle, NAC and Vitamin C on and off for years and my liver enzyme function is totally healthy now (when I was 18 I had the early stages of "Fatty Liver").
 
Rub the nutmeg oil on your skin and dance....
 
Jamshyd said:
When will people stop perpetuating the myth that the liver turns those essential oils into their respective Amphetamines?
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Has this been proven a myth? "The major essential oil from that spice is myristicin, and it is the easiest source of MMDA. It has been reported that the passage of this oil through the liver of a rabbit will generate MMDA in that animal."

and i believe Shulgin elaborates on this in one of the TMA entries
 
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I would caution people about doing this. I have some home made essential oils that a friend of mine made. And she said that nutmeg essential oil smells SOOOO strong when you burn it pure, I would imagine inhaling it directly into your lungs would feel like burning so intensely. I know cinnamon essential oil burns my nose if i directly inhale the vapours of the smoke. So even if the chemicals in it could elicit a high, smoking them would probably hurt terribly. Before you try smoking it, just try putting it in an essential oil burner, and inhale the vapous directly, to see if you can handle a hit out of a lightbulb
 
When I had a volcano vaporizer, I experimented with vaporizing just about anything. Nutmeg vaporized will produce noticeable effects but will also give you a nasty headache.

I wish I still had that thing, I would try vaping DMT, I wonder how well it would work. Sure would beat sucking down that harsh smoke.
 
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Man, I would love to make some psychedelic essential oils! I have thought about this before....it must happen. Not even to get high off of them....I just think it's a neat idea. I've smelled nutmeg oil before, and it's definitely quite strong, I doubt it would be a good idea to inhale it....*maybe* if diluted with water.

And vapourizing DMT is for sure the way to go.
 
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