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Film: The Matrix: Reloaded living up to original?

Soooooo disappointed.

Not even worth 1/4 of the hype.

Saw it last night at 10pm with about 6 other people - there were two specific parts where all of us said the same thing, "Oh come *on*! That's just plain ridiculous!"

Oh well. 8)
 
^ I agree

I felt like i was watching my philosophy class do kung fu and shoot guns. It seems they were trying to push some existentialist message across through the whole thing, as well as a sense of greek mythology. I thought the story was retarted, it was eye candy of course, but overall i was dissapointed, i hope the game is better lol.
 
As a movie reviewer, I give the original Matrix an A+.

I give the Matrix: Reloaded a D+.

The movie just plain sucked. It almost completely lacked the philosophical, literary & cultural references of the first movie. The special effects made the movie look like a cartoon. The fight scenes were boring, the music was HORRIBLE, and there were way too many inconsistencies. And the characters, especially Morpheus, were worse.

There were three good scenes in the entire movie, and those all revolve around the details of the matrix itself. That's what I wanted more of.

Don't waste your money on full fare, see it as a matinee. And juding from the preview, Revolutions will suck just as much.

The whole time I watched it, I couldn't help but think I was watching Star Wars Episode I again.

Oh, one bonus: Cornel West has a cameo! Also, I did enjoy how people of color were heavily featured throughout the film.

Ultimately, I cannot believe that the directors could make such a brilliant first film, and such a shitty second film.
 
not bad- not great either

I saw a 11:30 showing Wednesday night and it was packed. There were literally only about 25 seats left in the place.
I did enjoy the movie but was a little disapointed. I did expect alot more. I was originally going to ingest some shrooms to fully immerse myself in the special effects visuals but opted for opiates instead. The beautiful Vicodin glow that I had going most defintitely made the movie a little more enjoyable though.

If you are really into Kung Fu movies you will love it. THe plot was a little thin but full of good fighting scenes. Im a little confused with the plot twists and Im sure I cant be the only one scratching their head after this one [on top of all the scratching that the Vicodin caused :) ]
I am going to go see this again when its out in the IMAX format and will definitely be ingesting some hallucingens. Maybe then it will be an 'EXPERIENCE' like I had originally thought it would be.

IMHO: Its worth the cash- and this is coming from a tight bastard.
 
It was good. It was nowhere as good as the original, though.

And I seriously considered walking out about 45 minutes into it.

Disappointment, yes, but could it really have lived up to the first one?
 
It should be remembered that we've essentially just seen 2 hours of a 4 hour movie. There's a lot more explaining for them to do. :)
 
I just got back from seeing The Matrix: Reloaded and my vedict is that I wasn't disapointed AT ALL. Did it live up to the hype? Yes. Did it surpass the original? Yes. Not everyone is going to agree, but in my opinion the movie was definetly worth my money, and definetly worth my time.

The special effects were on point yet again. However my only small complaint is when Neo is fighting the 100 Agent Smiths, there are times where Neo is completely computer generated, and even though they did a REALLY good job making a full CGI Neo you could tell it was CGI, but oh well, it still was badass watching Neo take down 100 Agent Smiths......also on a side note, the only time I hated the music was during that specific fight scene (Neo vs. 100 Agent Smiths) because it sounded like it came from the fight music from an episode of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.

The storyline was on point again as well. It was interesting to follow along and learn more about the Matrix. It was also very nice to see Zion, which is a pretty cool place. The only time I couldn't really keep up with what was going on was when The Architect was telling Neo about the Matrix, he lost me and I didn't understand what the fuck he was talking about....however one of my friends rephrased it and I got it and found that, that explained a lot about the first movie and a lot about the Matrix.



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......one more thing to add before I stop typing.....is Neo fucking stupid!!!!? He chose Trinity over Zion....love vs. ending the war.....what the fuck!? And then he has the fucking nerve to go tell Morpheous that the Oracle was a lie and that everything Morpheous believed in wasn't true at all, when in fact it was and Neo was just thinking with his dick and not with his head....fucking love, it makes you do stupid things.

oh and any guesses to how the fuck Neo stopped the machines in the tunnels???

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I really liked it but I totally need to see it again. I got lost a few times and I wouldn't call myself a passive viewer either. It wouldn't have hurt to watch the 1st film first.

I think it was trancendance that made the comment about Morpheus, I couldn't agree more. Ugh I really got sick of listening to him.

The fight scenes were cool, but thats not really my thing anyway. The one scene w/ neo and multiple agent smiths = love.

Definitly tumped up sex appeal in this flick. And LOL at the fucking rave in Zion ugh that bordered on cheese.

Good flick and I'll be back in the theater prolly tonight to see that shit again:)
 
I saw it last night, didn't stop grinning the whole way through, still grinning now :)

Highlights were definately the car chase, the agent Smith's fight, and the fucked up ending. Will definately have to see it again very shortly :)
 
ok I really enjoyed the film. Technicaly there were some parts that bugged me... but over all. :)

now...


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Dan, I think you misunderstood what happened. Basically Neo was given a choice. Either kill everyone and everything, by going after Trinity, or destroy Zion and take 23 people to become the new Zion. According to the archictect, they always choose option 2. Thereby saving the bulk of humanity (the ones in the matrix) and starting the process over again. Basically I think the point is similar to that in the first one. Love is powerfull. Which is kind of annoying. The one thing the architect didn't really count on was the illogicalness of human emotion. Specifically love.

The Oracle was and wasn't a lie. She was just put in place to cause the reaction that allows the machines to control even the ones that DO manage to resist the Matrix.

I think that the elder councilmember is the previous "The One" you can kinda see that in what he says to Neo in the engine room. Basically look we can';t live without them anymore, and they can't exist without us. I HAD to choose the left door...

As for neo stopping the Sentinals. That has to have to do with his link to agent smith. Which is why an EMP went off in both places I think.

But then again maybe I totally misunderstood the film.
 
I don't think that the elder councilman is the previous "one" because the archtiect tells Neo that either nobody knew or nobody told him. I would think that if the councilman knew all of this then he would have done something different with the defense of Zion, or he would have told said something else to Neo.
 
Heres an article that explains a lot of why I did not enjoy this film, especially about the action scenes.






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Why I thought Matrix Reloaded sucked ass
May 16th, 2003

Yesterday I posted a quick impression of the sequel to the Matrix on the newspage. I stated that I thought the entire movie was crap and that I wanted to leave halfway through it. I said that the theatre I was in was overwhelmingly disappointed with the movie and barely reacted to the film. I summed it up by comparing it to Highlander 2, the worst sci-fi movie of all time.

Then the email started pouring in. No one could believe that I had seen the same movie they had. They were upset I didn't like it. Some people got really mean. Mostly the email offered explanations as to how it was possible for me to miss the greatness of this movie:

I'm not smart enough to follow the high-brow concepts, I bought into the hype, I expected it to be better than the first movie, I need to wait and see it a second time, I decided it was bad before I even saw it, and most importantly....I'm not reserving judgement until after I see the third movie.

Well I got news for everyone...I am smart enough to follow the high-brow concepts, I never bought into the hype, I didn't expect it to be better than the first movie, and I shouldn't have to see it a second time, I decided I wanted to like it before seeing it and most importantly...I shouldn't have to see a third movie in order to understand the second.

I had a violent and extreme reaction to this movie. I disliked it so much that it made me angry. The last time I reacted to a movie that way was Phantom Menace. So I'm willing to admit that when I wrote what I wrote yesterday, it came from a place of huge disappointment and not any objectivity. I'll try to be more objective today.

Okay, I'm about to go into specifics, so if you haven't seen the movie, you may not want to read any further.

· The action sequences were boring. There was no power behind them, no consequence. Every fight was just going through the motions. One of the great things about the first movie was that during a fight, the opponents surprised one another, there was a sense of urgency about the conflicts. In this movie, the fights are pointless, long and boring. They go no where and serve no purpose. They don't move the story forward or have anything hanging on their outcome.

· The effects were too dependant on CGI. Once again, we are forced to eat this crappy CGI. The film-makers now have the budget and can afford to recreate every person and environment in computer graphics. But once again, they fail to realize that just because they can, doesn't mean they should. In the first movie, the W. Bros used practical but innovative filming techniques to show us something we had never seen before. Why abandon that? The fight with the 300 agents looked like an Xbox game. It had no life to it. The worst part was that they did the slow-frame thing way too often, to the point of annoyance. When Neo first flew into the air, turned and shot back down brining the funnel with him, it would have been more powerful if that was actually Keanu on wires. He could have smiled or winked. Something to give it life and character.

·The plot was so convoluted that it felt like a mind rape. Yes I understood the concepts. I'm not going to dare to claim that I caught everything because there was so much going on at once, that would be impossible for any human to do with one viewing. But there was just too much going on at once and none of it had any real weight or power to it. The movie never slows down enough to get interesting until Neo enters the Source and encounters the Architect but by then the movie is over and I've sat through 2 hours of boring fight scenes and horrible dialogue, so I don't care.

Most of the concepts in this movie are delivered with such a heavy hand that it's insulting. That's why I got so upset when some of you claimed I was too dumb to catch them. They practically slap you across the face with them. There's no possible way you can miss them. I know that there is another movie coming and that more will be explained, but it's bad film-making to have the third movie of a trilogy be dependant upon you understanding or enjoying the second one. It's bullshit to force me to sit through 2 hours of crap just so I'm set up for the finale.

·Speaking of bad film-making, the editing on this movie was horrible. It was all over the place and added another layer of complexity to an already overly complex movie. There was part of the movie where they inter cut three scenes into each other, going back and forth in time. The gathering of the captains to plan the attack on the power plants, the actual attack with Niobe's team, and Neo asking Trinity not to join them for the attack. Cut, cut, cut, back and forth....it was jarring. What could have been three powerful scenes were robbed of all their substance by pulling you out of them just when they would get good. Really horrible.

·Zion looked like a bad 70's movie. It was beneath the Planet of the Apes. The 30 minute rave and love scene was overbearing and gratuitous, not to mention heavy handed. The council chambers looked like a bad Star Trek episode.

· The movie felt like a video game based on the first movie. Level one, FIGHT! Cut scene. Level 2, FIGHT!, cut scene. Level 3, FIGHT. Find the Keymaker. Level 4, the car chase level. Cut scene. Level 5, FIGHT, enter the source. Beat the boss. End credits.

I was ultimately disappointed because the second movie did not pick up where the first movie left off. Instead, RELOADED abandoned the first movie for a new direction. At the end of the first movie, Neo is confident, he's the savior, he's the one. He's going to show the world that they are not bound by what they conceive to be reality. He's not going to unhook everyone, because that would be impossible, but he's going to wake them up inside the Matrix. He's not here to end things, but start a new beginning and possibly, a new coexistence.

At the beginning of RELOADED, Neo is back to being unsure. He can fly now and he's a better fighter than most of the other rebels, but he has no purpose, he has no plan. In fact, he mentions on several occasions that he wishes he knew what he should do. They never explain what happened to shatter his confidence. According to Reloaded, the speech on the phone was nothing more than delusions of grandeur because all he's done is help pull more people out of the Matrix.

Morpheus goes from being a revered figure to being a joke. Apparently he doesn't even have enough followers to refill his crew roster. In the first movie there were six people on the ship besides Morpheus and Neo. Now it's the four of them? Why?

At the end of the first movie, Neo had transcended beyond simple bending of the Matrix. He was aware, he was a part of it. He could manipulate the world around him. He was so enlightened that the ultra fast blur attacks of the agents were nothing but slow motion to him. He could stop them, literally, with one arm behind his back. Now all he seems capable of doing is punch, block, kick, block, jump, block, run away. Or, actually, fly away. He can fly now. At the end of the first movie, his flight was an indication that Neo had stopped thinking in terms of the physical and was now free of all bonds of reality. In RELOADED, flight is just a cool means of transportation.

Now some of you will say "Scott, no movie could live up to what you imagined happened to Neo after the first movie." I'm not sure if that's true or not. But it certainly is something the W. Bros should have considered before making these movies. Instead, I felt more like they were trying to distract me during the entire movie from realizing it was bad. It was chaotic, and overstuffed with pointless fight scenes and exposition that had style but no substance. They slow down only once, to end the movie and hit you with a cliffhanger.

I hope this rant satisfies those who wanted further explanation as to why I disliked the movie.

http://www.pvponline.com/rants.php3
 
Well...it was entertaining.

Amidst the cheese and fluffy concepts this film throws at ya, I have to say that I was simply entertained by it. I found the film to be quite comedic, but maybe that was becase I was a little under the herbal influence at the time. I feel I understood everything quite well, and while I wasn't really into the flow of the film, it had some shining moments...and a heavyweight champ. =D

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so yeah, I have to say I would love to go to temple at Zion! =D Damn that looked fun. The blatant CGI look in some parts was whatever. Overall they did an incredible job with the major action scenes and those were definitely the highlight of the film. I thought it was funny how the Architect spoke in such a manner to confuse people in the audience. I'm pissed that I didn't get to see Zion get shredded, but a nice Aliens homage with their battle suits hehe.

I agree with Gamecat that the elder councilmember was the former "one" since he also had trouble sleeping, and he mentioned how he felt good knowing that Neo had trouble sleeping too...or something along those lines. The 5th "one" obviously had to survive to create the new Zion, so I'd bet that he was the one before Neo.

Oh, and did anyone else think it was pretty hard to read the credits? hehe.

Damnit...I guess we won't get to see Roy Jones Jr. kick some ass in the 3rd movie...:(
 
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^^^^ hahaha I just came back from a 4pm showing of it, first time I saw it, I was like thats roy jones jr my friends were like dude your just high which well I was but still I know my boxers, anyway good movie but to those who said best movie ever must really be high cause its not that, a decent 2nd part to a 3 part movie but not awe inspiring or make you wanna go change the world or anything and yeah I'll buy it when it comes out on dvd. I feel the plot was rather confusing and thin at times. My biggest confusion was at the beginning where neo goes into that room and is all where are you then next thing you know we are back in the real world with all 3 of them leaving the ship to enter zion and for some reason I felt I was watching cheap porn during the dance sex scene at zion, the neo vs 100 smiths was pretty cool as well as the freeway scene, I could see how to most the conversation with the creator at the end would be way confusing my girlfriend was just huh afterwards. but overall a good installment but this movie can not stand on its own, you can tell its just a 2nd part just as The Two Towers, but anyway atleast its just 4 months till the 3rd part comes out and for those who don't know wait for after the cridits for a 3rd teaser/trailer, I sat there during the cridits explaining to my friends trust me its there, nobody else in theater which was around 300 knew and got up and left but if your a fan of sci-fi and good action and liked the first one I say go see it
 
Just got in from a my 1st viewing of the film, and have a few thoughts. For all who haven't seen this, skip the next few paragraphs as they contain spoilers.











As far as why Neo was able to stop the Senintels as if he had his powers from being in the Matrix. Has anyone given thought that perhaps he's in some sort of secondary Matrix? Granted Agent Smith did mention something about his code getting mixed up with Neo's, but that's surely something that couldn't be carried over into the real world.. or so I'd assume.

I'm also a bit lost as to the motive of the evil character (didnt' catch the name). He IS the person who was "taken over" by Agent Smith as he was answering the phone, correct?


And finally, in the preview for Revolutions, there are scenes shown from Zion, including the mechanical suits and such.. so this means Zion wasn't destroyed afterall?
 
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Yes that is Agent Smith as the survivor. It was his only way of surviving since the Matrix was destroyed. I'm assuming Zion will be explained further in the 3rd part in terms of what happened.

Regarding Neo's powers, I'd rather just see how they explain it later on. For now I'm down with accepting that his powers somehow transfered into the real world, thus progressing as the main hero.

-edited for Gamecat's comments about only the counter-attack being wiped out. I wasn't sober watching the film so I can't argue that Zion has been destroyed, so yeah it's probable Zion lives on.
 
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ok i loved this movie. THe action scenes were great, but did a little out of hand. THe "fear" of the agents wasn't present like in the first one.

my roommate commented "if they turn him into a superhero in the real world the matrix is going to suck" but that's probably the best thing. Neo having that ability in the real world, adds even more theological/mythological aspects to it, ex: Greek Mythology. Demigods vs Gods. Humans vs DemiGods.


I also loved how it dove even deeper into how your typical computer works. Programs running subprograms. Programs that err and do what they're programed to but with glitches, so not really what you wanted them too. Agenst Smith could best be described as a computer virus, which i thought was rather funny taking his comment in the first movie about humanity being a virus.

I did like how he picked "love", over humanity. It might be corny and cheesy, but themes like that never make me upset at a movies turn-out. Btw.. i was a big fan of 5th element, in a large part due to "love" being the 5th element. I'm a sap..sorry.

THe idea of thier being 6 previous Zion's... 6 "ones", a cycle that never end, was a cool addition to it too i believe..

But like i said the CGI was out of control, the special effects in this one could be described as an increase in quantity, not quality. This in alot of ways also reminded me of Lords of the Rings 2, meaning.. the first one was wonderful for character development, story line setting, etc.. in the second one all hell breaks loose.

I've seen alot of people come down hard on this movie and i respect that if you don't like it. But my roommate and her death metal on parole, never graduated highschool drug ADDICT boyfriend don't have two brain cells to rub together to grasp the simple shit i posted right above... oh well..
 
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Ok I'm ptetty sure Zion hasn't been destroyed yet. They were only talking about the first deffence which was all the ships...


As far as a secondary matrix, I thought about it but I doubt they'll go in that direction... That would almost be a cheap way out.

In the first one agent Smith had the power to control the sentinals. I think his connection now to smith gives him sort of permi connect to the matrix...
 
I thought it sucked. Way too much retarded unnessisary talking. The fight scene on the freeway imo wascthe only good part of the movie. I thought the scene where Neo fought the hundred+ Smith agents was pretty fake looking.

But all in all, this movie put me to sleep!
 
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