Opioids Fentanyl aka dirty thirties euphoria

[baewiththeyay]

ɪs ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴇ ʟᴇɢɪᴛ ғᴇɴᴛ ´s ᴀᴠᴀɪʟᴀʙʟᴇ ɪɴ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴀʀᴇᴀ ᴏʀ ᴛʜᴇ ᴍʏsᴛᴇʀɪᴏᴜs ᴍɪxᴇᴅ ᴏɴᴇs ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴛʜᴇ xʏʟᴀᴢɪɴᴇ ᴏʀ ʙᴇɴᴢᴏᴅᴏᴘᴇ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʏᴏᴜ sᴀʏ?? ɪ ᴡᴏɴᴅᴇʀ ɪғ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʙᴇ ᴀɴʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴡʜᴀᴛ ᴄᴏᴜʟᴅ ᴄᴏɴᴛʀɪʙᴜᴛᴇ ᴛʜᴇ ᴍᴀᴊᴏʀɪᴛʏ ᴠᴏᴛᴇ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴇᴜᴘʜᴏʀɪᴀ ᴏᴠᴇʀ ᴛʜᴇ ʜ

ɪᴍ ɴᴏᴛ ᴄᴇʀᴛɪᴀɴ, ᴏʙᴠɪᴏᴜsʟʏ, ʙᴜᴛ ɪ ᴅᴏɴᴛ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ ʀᴇᴀʟʟʏ ɪs xʏʟᴀᴢɪɴᴇ ɪɴ ᴍᴏsᴛ ᴏғ ᴡʜᴀᴛ ɢᴏᴇs ᴀʀᴏᴜɴᴅ ɪɴ ᴍʏ ᴀʀᴇᴀ

 

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

Yes don't get me wrong it has euphoric qualities and that high hits you like a train. Otherwise people wouldn't be doing it. I know people that prefer Fentanyl over Heroin any day. The high from Fentanyl is so much stronger but people just find heroin to be more on the stimulating side.I find that Bluelighters like Heroin more than Fentanyl, but the people from my neck of the woods like Fentanyl more.

I'd much rather have legit H than those wretched blue pills. No telling if there's xylazine or some shit that's gonna either rot my skin away or kill me...

 

[BK38]

I've only had fent 2x in hospital settings and while it killed the pain of 2x bad dislocations, it had basically zero euphoria or any of the warmth you get from good ol' Afghan tan heroin. I felt "high"... kinda for all of about 20 mins.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Long ago I concluded that fentanyl is attractive to clandestine manufacturers for several reasons:

1-Potency. A single gram of fentanyl citrate is worth vastly more than a gram of H.
2-Simplicity. Like methamphetamine, semi-skilled 'cooks' are able to produce fentanyl once a real chemist has shown them how to.
3-Duration. Lasting for only 20 minutes, people would need to take 12 hits to last as long as one hit of H.

I might add that the nitazenes share these particulars. It's not like their aren't MANY other opioids out there but fentanyl and nitazenes represent the largest potential profit.

someone mentioned alpha methyl fentanyl. That was the first clandestine fentanyl analogue (1983) and the maker chose it because it's duration is more or less the same as H. He chose to make a H mimic. I don't think anyone believed an opioid with a 20 minute duration would be accepted by the market....

 

[paranoid android]

Fent just sucks for anything other then pain imo. I actually found codeine to be more euphoric. I stopped abusing my fent script very early on because it just sucks so much

 

[AlsoTapered]

Everyone is different, but I've yet to hear of a single US opioid user who claimed fentanyl was anywhere nearly as euphoric as oxymorphone (for example).

I suggest that although fentanyl isn't an irreversible ligand, it's receptor occupancy time is very long and much of the euphoria experienced after using most drugs is at least partly mediated by a molecule of the drug docking and undocking from a given receptor over and over again.

 

[CaptnRon]

I read a lot of people talking about fentanyl not being very euphoric. But when I watch interviews on youtube channels like Lost in Phoenix and Tales from the Street, which interview homeless addicts, often using "bluez" fake oxy fentanyl, they frequently state that the first time they tried fentanyl or whatever analogues they get, that they were hooked.

So what is it that they experience that hooks them so quickly, when some people claim it's not euphoric?

It’s their tolerance getting fucked. Just a guess though.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

At first I thought fentanyl ruined the whole scene. Now I realize this xylazine shit really ruined it. The open sores in non IV users is scary shit and apparently caused by the xylazine. Is that true? The xylazine is also much harder to withdrawal from and makes maintenance replacements useless as you’ll be withdrawing from xylazine no matter how much methadone they give you.

I would be more than thrilled going back to a world where it’s only fentanyl without xylazine.

The xylazine shit is so goddamn unfortunate. I would love for ppl to have a simple extraction that anyone can perform to remove xylazine.

Just looking at the structure of the two drugs it seems like they would be easily separable using an acid base extraction adjusted to the correct pH. Not sure what that pH would be off the top of my head but looking fentanyl is far more basic than xylazine.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Until xylazine is itself controlled as a drug (that the DEA can target), it's low cost and ready availability is going to ensure it's only going to get worse.

The only problem I see is that their are in fact a number of compounds with a similar effect that are not structurally related so their could be a period of cat-and-mouse as grey-market suppliers attempt so stay ahead of the law.

For the record, I think fentanyl has been the worst thing to happen because it's made people aware that such potent opioids exist and nitazenes have shown that their are many scaffolds for such agents.

 

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

At first I thought fentanyl ruined the whole scene. Now I realize this xylazine shit really ruined it. The open sores in non IV users is scary shit and apparently caused by the xylazine. Is that true? The xylazine is also much harder to withdrawal from and makes maintenance replacements useless as you’ll be withdrawing from xylazine no matter how much methadone they give you.

I would be more than thrilled going back to a world where it’s only fentanyl without xylazine.

The xylazine shit is so goddamn unfortunate. I would love for ppl to have a simple extraction that anyone can perform to remove xylazine.

Just looking at the structure of the two drugs it seems like they would be easily separable using an acid base extraction adjusted to the correct pH. Not sure what that pH would be off the top of my head but looking fentanyl is far more basic than xylazine.

If you basify a solution of the two and just acidify it to the right pH you’ll easily extract out the xylazine with a solvent leaving fentanyl in the water.

I mostly worry about the presence of xylazine in the dirty 30's. I'm very vain and worry more about my skin necrotizing than I do of overdosing, to be perfectly honest. Is there any way to detect if it's in my blues? Is it in all of the pressed fentanyl now? Like does it have a taste or a noticeable difference in effects? Also, how much or how frequently would I have to use before necrosis sets in? Is there any sign or warning that its tainted with xylazine? I also hear that the necrosis spreads and that scares me shitless. Normally, I completely avoid pressed fentanyl. Other than the patches, I really hate the stuff, but until my op 40 connection gets her script filled on the 12th--it's all I can get. Any safety pro-tips other than "just don't take the fetty" is very much appreciated. That being said, of course I'd never want this nasty shit, but it's the only thing I can get to avoid withdrawal for the time being.

 

[ovo1024]

ɪs ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴇ ʟᴇɢɪᴛ ғᴇɴᴛ ´s ᴀᴠᴀɪʟᴀʙʟᴇ ɪɴ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴀʀᴇᴀ ᴏʀ ᴛʜᴇ ᴍʏsᴛᴇʀɪᴏᴜs ᴍɪxᴇᴅ ᴏɴᴇs ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴛʜᴇ xʏʟᴀᴢɪɴᴇ ᴏʀ ʙᴇɴᴢᴏᴅᴏᴘᴇ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʏᴏᴜ sᴀʏ?? ɪ ᴡᴏɴᴅᴇʀ ɪғ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʙᴇ ᴀɴʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴡʜᴀᴛ ᴄᴏᴜʟᴅ ᴄᴏɴᴛʀɪʙᴜᴛᴇ ᴛʜᴇ ᴍᴀᴊᴏʀɪᴛʏ ᴠᴏᴛᴇ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴇᴜᴘʜᴏʀɪᴀ ᴏᴠᴇʀ ᴛʜᴇ ʜ

ɪᴍ ɴᴏᴛ ᴄᴇʀᴛɪᴀɴ, ᴏʙᴠɪᴏᴜsʟʏ, ʙᴜᴛ ɪ ᴅᴏɴᴛ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ ʀᴇᴀʟʟʏ ɪs xʏʟᴀᴢɪɴᴇ ɪɴ ᴍᴏsᴛ ᴏғ ᴡʜᴀᴛ ɢᴏᴇs ᴀʀᴏᴜɴᴅ ɪɴ ᴍʏ ᴀʀᴇᴀ

Don't have any xhlazine in my blues either. Thank God lol. I'm in Northern Arizona

 

[ovo1024]

ɪs ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴇ ʟᴇɢɪᴛ ғᴇɴᴛ ´s ᴀᴠᴀɪʟᴀʙʟᴇ ɪɴ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴀʀᴇᴀ ᴏʀ ᴛʜᴇ ᴍʏsᴛᴇʀɪᴏᴜs ᴍɪxᴇᴅ ᴏɴᴇs ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴛʜᴇ xʏʟᴀᴢɪɴᴇ ᴏʀ ʙᴇɴᴢᴏᴅᴏᴘᴇ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʏᴏᴜ sᴀʏ?? ɪ ᴡᴏɴᴅᴇʀ ɪғ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʙᴇ ᴀɴʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴡʜᴀᴛ ᴄᴏᴜʟᴅ ᴄᴏɴᴛʀɪʙᴜᴛᴇ ᴛʜᴇ ᴍᴀᴊᴏʀɪᴛʏ ᴠᴏᴛᴇ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴇᴜᴘʜᴏʀɪᴀ ᴏᴠᴇʀ ᴛʜᴇ ʜ

ɪᴍ ɴᴏᴛ ᴄᴇʀᴛɪᴀɴ, ᴏʙᴠɪᴏᴜsʟʏ, ʙᴜᴛ ɪ ᴅᴏɴᴛ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ ʀᴇᴀʟʟʏ ɪs xʏʟᴀᴢɪɴᴇ ɪɴ ᴍᴏsᴛ ᴏғ ᴡʜᴀᴛ ɢᴏᴇs ᴀʀᴏᴜɴᴅ ɪɴ ᴍʏ ᴀʀᴇᴀ

I used to live in SLC tho! In midvale and West valley

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Don't have any xhlazine in my blues either. Thank God lol. I'm in Northern Arizona

How do you know.

To everyone: is there a reagent or field test for xylazine?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

For the record, I think fentanyl has been the worst thing to happen because it's made people aware that such potent opioids exist and nitazenes have shown that their are many scaffolds for such agents.

at least fentanyl was still an opioid. They replaced heroin with another opioid

Now we have a drug that is not even an opioid replacing heroin. It’s bad.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I mostly worry about the presence of xylazine in the dirty 30's. I'm very vain and worry more about my skin necrotizing than I do of overdosing, to be perfectly honest. Is there any way to detect if it's in my blues?

When your internal organs are necrotizing you will be in so much pain you won’t even care if you have a face.

Imagine those sores inside your colon, inside your intestines.


I also want to know if a reagent field test for xylazine exists

 

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

at least fentanyl was still an opioid. They replaced heroin with another opioid

Now we have a drug that is not even an opioid replacing heroin. It’s bad.

I hate that drugs are constantly being replaced by even shittier substances. Just when we thought heroin was a problem, here comes fentanyl and when we think fentanyl is a problem, they ruin it even more with fucking xylazine. If I could add one more thing to my list of reasons why I need to quit, it's all the shitty substitutions. It's just not worth the risks, really. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and spend an arm and a leg on kratom. Hell, at least it's safer than fentanyl and whatever the fuck type of nasty fillers they add to it.

 

[swimmingbird421]

Bottom line..
The opioid scene is a sh#% show in north America. Forget heroin, it's gone unless you got dnet vendors with legit morphine or pain killers. Getting prescription opiates is your only viable option and of course Kratom
Thank you research chemicals

 

[AlsoTapered]

Amazing to think that the legal control of drugs only began in the 20th century. Before then anyone could buy morphine, cocaine, cannabis and, in specialist outlets, even mescaline and related compounds. Harm was limited to a tiny minority of users since competition ensured the price stayed down and the quality stayed up.

Criminalization is the major cause of harm for manifold reasons.

 

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

Amazing to think that the legal control of drugs only began in the 20th century. Before then anyone could buy morphine, cocaine, cannabis and, in specialist outlets, even mescaline and related compounds. Harm was limited to a tiny minority of users since competition ensured the price stayed down and the quality stayed up.

Criminalization is the major cause of harm for manifold reasons.

I always say I was born in the wrong century for that reason alone. Haha. Living in the Victorian era back when opiates were still available with a quick trip to the store sure sounds amazing to me.

 

[AlsoTapered]

The interesting thing is that both the US and the UK essentially controlled opioids because they thought it would render people unable to work (in the US it was the Chinese building railroads & smoking opium, in the UK it was families sending morphine and cocaine to soldiers in WW1).

For a good 35 years I have been suggesting that while pure morphine and the synthetics represent a sizable risk of accidental overdose, it's more or less impossible to accidentally overdose on opium.

Yes, in Afghanistan Soviet soldiers committed suicide by eating large amounts of opium, I cannot find a single case of accidental overdose.

I also cannot find any evidence that smoking opium is toxic to the body. It's certainly far safer than smoking tobacco.

I think MOST people would manage with opium. You can smoke it, you can eat it, you can dissolve it and drink it - but you cannot inject it so it avoids the most hazardous ROAs.