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FAQ & Guide - How To Get The Most Out Of Amphetamines!

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Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. This guide is a summary and not meant to be used as a prescribing guide. I will not be held responsible if you harm yourself following these instructions. No tolerance reduction plan is ever perfect. Regular use of amphetamines will eventually lead to side effects and loss of efficacy. A healthy diet, exercise, and mentally enriching activities will also help tolerance be at a manageable level.

Also, much of our research and current understanding of how Amphetamines & stimulants in general affect the body and Central Nervous System are speculatory and haven't been proven yet. That doesn't mean we're wrong, as much of our understanding and how we believe these drugs affect the human body fits perfectly into what we already know. However, due to this fact, the information in this guide is subject to change as we learn more about how these drugs affect us everyday. I will try to keep this guide up to date, and encompasses as much of the information as I can, as soon as it becomes available.

Amphetamine tolerance reduction mini FAQ
originally by SwampFox56, revisions by sekio, continually being updated by both.

Epsilon Alpha said:
Quick Tips for Tolerance and Toxicity reduction
- ~250mg elemental magnesium at bed. Why: magnesium deficiency is extremely common and known to worsen neurotoxic measures in mouse models. May also help with bruxism (jaw clenching)
- ~1-5mg sublingual melatonin 3 hours before bed. Why: helps regulate sleep cycle, potent antioxidant, several neuroprotective mechanisms.
- Stay hydrated, preferably with high quality fruit juices (such as 100% blueberry) Why: do I really need to explain this?
- Eat a balanced diet rich in dark fruits and vegetables. Why: do I really need to explain this? Make sure you eat, period.
- Avoid overheating. Why: Elevated body temperature has been linked to increased neurotoxicity in mouse models
- Coenzyme Q10 at 100mg/day in a softgel or oil based formulation (preferably taken with food). Why: extremely long half life antioxidant, various beneficial effects on mitochondrial function.
- Avoid sleep deprivation. Why: your body needs sleep whether you want to or not.
- A good multivitamin, or at the very least vitamins A,C,E, and D as well as selenium at a significant portion of the RDA value. Malnutrition is a very real concern with amphetamine use,
-Low dose ASA ~81mg/day, anti-inflammatory drugs have shown to reduce neurotoxic measures in several models, also might give your cardiovascular system a break.
- Keep your dose as low as possible.

Background info – What are amphetamines?

Amphetamines are a class of drugs that are derived from alpha-methyl-phenethylamine (US name: amphetamine or UK name: amfetamine). The first drug of the class to be discovered was amphetamine itself, in the late 1800s. Derivatives like methamphetamine were invented later, in the search for drugs that had more suitable effects, different durations or less potential for dependence. Extended release formulations for once-a-day dosing have also been devloped.

Amphetamines are prescribed for attention-deficit disorder, ADHD, narcolepsy, and sometimes used in the military to keep people awake. The two most popular formulations of amphetamine are Dexedrine, and Adderall. In Europe, amphetamine is sold on the street, whereas in North America, Asia, and Australia, methamphetamine is more popular. Methamphetamine is actually sold under the brand name Desoxyn in many countries, as a drug for narcolepsy and ADD when other treatments fail. Desoxyn, Dexedrine, and Adderall are also used to treat chronically obese patients that have been unable to lose weight any other way.

Typical effects from amphetamine use are euphoria, increased energy, increased confidence, rapid heart rate, increases in blood pressure and pupil diameter, increased metabolic rate, decongestion, and increased executive functioning. Adverse effects are common with long-term or high-dose use and include jitteriness, paranoia, racing thoughts, numbness in the extremities from vasoconstriction, headaches, low blood sugar from not eating, inablility to sleep, psychosis, heart attack, and compulsive behaviour.

Prescription Amphetamines are always found in the form of a pill or sometimes in the form of a transdermal patch. Amphetamines are usually taken by mouth, but can be smoked, snorted, rectally administered, or injected, especially if they are in "raw" form. Eating amphetamines produces a slightly slower onset, and longer duration, than any other method. Other methods of ingestion can lead to compulsive use, and greater risk of overdose.

The effects of amphetamine are thought to be due to its ability to release neurotransmitters in nerve cells, and to prevent the breakdown of released neurotransmitters as well. In addition to being a monoamine releasing agent, amphetamines have also been proven to stop the reuptake of monoamines. Normally, after neurotransmitters are released when a cell sends a signal, they are either destroyed in the synapse by special enzymes like monoamine oxidase, or they are pumped back into the cell by “reuptake transporters”. Amphetamines are thought to reverse the effect of these transporters. Other stimulants, like methylphenidate/Ritalin, simply block the pumps from working for some time, producing a more mild stimulating effect.

Related compounds like cocaine and methylphenidate are not amphetamines, but produce effects in a similar fashion by increasing monoamine levels in the synapse. Methylphenidate was developed as an analogue of cocaine without the local anesthetic properties (responsible for the cardiotoxicity of coke), and is now used as an ADD drug, and candestinely in much the same way amphetamine is.

Background Information - Neurotransmitters

Amphetamines build up tolerance quickly in the body. When amphetamines enter the central nervous system, they have a substantial effect on one or more of four very important neurotransmitters. These neurotransmitters are dopamine, norepinephrine, epinephrine, and serotonin. They are also known as monoamines, because they have a single amine group in them. Dopamine, norepinephrine, and adrenaline are phenethylamines, derived from the amino acid phenylalanine, and serotonin is a tryptamine, derived from tryptophan.

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that plays a major role in the brain system that is responsible for reward-driven learning & survival activities. It is a phenethylamine and is biosynthesized from tyrosine, phenylalanine, or L-DOPA. Dopamine is commonly thought of as the “reward chemical”, but curiously research suggests dopamine is responsible for expectation of reward moreso than reward itself. Mice that are given food every time they depress a lever release less dopamine than mice that only recieve food 50% of the time. This explains why dopamine-stimulating drugs can sometimes cause behaviours like compulsive gambling, shopping, or sexual activity. Hence, dopamine is commonly assumed to be responsible for feelings of well-being, and sometimes euphoria. Dopamine also plays roles in motor control, sexual desire, horomonal regulation, and regulation of blood pressure.

Norepinephrine - also known as noradrenaline - is a neurotransmitter that is very similar to adrenaline in function and structure. Norepinephrine effects parts of the brain where attention and responses are controlled - which is why release of norepinephrine causes increases in attention, euphoric feelings, and an increase in executive functioning. Norepinephrine levels are increased by almost every stimulant, save for caffeine. Norepinephrine has a primary role in making stimulants "feel good" - blockade of the norepinephrine transporter severely reduces the effects of drugs like MDMA.

Epinephrine - more commonly known as Adrenaline - is a neurotransmitter that is responsible for the regulation of your heart beat. It is also very important for regulating the diameter of blood vessels, nasal & air passages, as well as metabolic shifts. Epinephrine is also a crucial component of the fight-or-flight response used by the body when a threat is detected. Epinephrine is not euphoric on its own, and has strong peripheral effects that can feel very unpleasant. It is used as a fast-acting treatment for severe allergic reactions, until antihistamines can be administered.

Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that is - like dopamine - thought to be a contributor to feelings of well-being and happiness. Also known as 5-hydroxytryptamine, it is commonly abbreviated 5HT. It also has a major role in the intestine, and in blood vessels (which is what it was named for). However, serotonin's mechanism of action is almost entirely different and effects different areas of the body than dopamine. Serotonin has been proven to be a regulator of mood, appetite, and sleep. Serotonin release can be euphoric; but drugs that increase only serotonin levels are generally considered less euphoric than broad-spectrum stimulants. Drugs that mimic the effect of serotonin at some receptors can be hallucinogens (5HT2 receptors), anti-nauseants (5HT3 blockers) or even anti-anxiety drugs (5HT1a agonists).

In addition to these neurotransmitters, Amphetamines appear to to affect many others. For instance, Amphetamines appear to heighten levels of other neurotransmitters such as Beta-Endorphin and Acetylcholine. The mechanism behind this is speculative, however, the heighten levels of these neurotransmitters also contribute to the effects felt and seen by users of Amphetamines.

How tolerance happens

Amphetamine tolerance is thought to be caused by excess calcium ion influx through the NMDA receptor in the brain. The NMDA receptor is thought to be associated with learning and pasticity in the brain. Taking a chemical, drug or medication that can slow down or stop the excess flow of Ca++ into neurons is therefore observed to decrease tolerance to amphetamines and their relatives. By preventing excess Ca++ influx into the neuron an NMDA antagonist will help prevent associated brain alterations and damage in most cases. Most, if not all, monoamine-releasing, or reuptake inhibiting stimulants will produce tolerance in this manner.

The theory behind using a NMDA antagonist with a stimulant, is that reducing the activation of the NMDA receptor will stop your brain from trying to adjust its equilibrium. The most common use case is taking the NMDA antagonist at a low enough dose it does not produce psychological effects, but maintains a steady blood level when you have amphetamine in you. The NMDA antagonist and the stimulant should be taken together, or the NMDA antagonist shortly before the stim, for maximum effects.
In addition, some effects of tolerance can likely be attributed to the released dopamine over activating dopamine receptors, for instance.


Drugs that Cause Tolerance

Other The Counter medications that can cause a tolerance to Amphetamines are (but not limited to)...
  • Ephedrine
  • Pseudoephedrine
  • Phenethylamine
  • Levmetamfetamine
  • Propylhexedrine
Legal medications that can cause a tolerance to Amphetamines are (but not limited to)...
  • Adderall (Racemic mixture of different Amphetamine isomers)
  • Concerta, Metadate, Ritalin, Methylin (Methylphenidate) - Not an amphetamine, but is a potent Norepinephrine Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitor
  • Desoxyn (DextroMethamphetamine)
  • Dexedrine (Dextroamphetamine)
  • Didrex (Benzphetamine)
  • Adipex-P (Phentermine) - A Phenethylamine derivative stimulant that has effects and pharmacology similar to Amphetamine. It is currently used for weight loss.
  • Focalin (Dexmethylphenidate)
  • Vyvanse (Lisdexamphetamine) - a chemically time-released amphetamine that is not active itself, but is metabolized by the body into Dextroamphetamine which is active
  • Nuvigil (Armodafinil) - Not an amphetamine, but is an NMDA receptor agonist (not antagonist), & dopamine reuptake inhibitor
  • Provigil (Modafinil) - Not an amphetamine, but is an NMDA receptor agonist (not antagonist), & dopamine reuptake inhibitor
  • Wellbutrin (Bupropion), a cathinone-derivative that is a mild Norepinephrine Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitor and is therefore used as an antidepressant

Illegal drugs that can cause a tolerance to Amphetamines are (but not limited to)...
  • Crystal Meth (Street Methamphetamine) - Amphetamine Stimulant that has no set milligram, so there is no way of knowing how much you're taking. Pharmaceutical grade Methamphetamine - trade name Desoxyn - has proven to be much safer than street meth.
  • Ecstasy (methylenedioxymethamphetamine, aka MDMA, Molly, Ecstacy, X) – a serotonin-releasing entheogenic stimulant.
  • Khat (Cathinone) - A naturally occurring plant that contains a potent amphetamine-like stimulant called "cathinone"
  • Methcathinone - Methcathinone is a methylated derivative of cathinone. Just like Methamphetamine, it has proven to be more powerful than its precursor - cathinone - and is therefore also illegal. It is commonly manufactured from pseudoephedrine, especially in Eastern Europe, due to the ease of synthesis. Heavy metals used in the synthesis can cause posioning and brain damage.
  • Mephedrone, and related cathinones. Mephedrone is 4-methylmethcathinone, and became popular in the early 2000s as a replacement for drugs like ecstacy, cocaine, and the amphetamines.
  • MDPV, or methylenedioxypyrovalerone, a very potent cathinone derivative sold as a “research chemical”. It is a powerful dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
  • Cocaine.
  • MDA and analogues
Getting More Out Of Your Stims

The most common way to slow development to tolerance, or possibly reverse it, is the use of NMDA receptor antagonists. However, there are many other ways to increase the effects of amphetamines - thus making the effects more noticeable, even with tolerance. This guide is really only meant for people who can't go a day without taking their medication because of some medical issue they have - such as narcolepsy or extremely severe forums of ADHD. I will start by listing what can help increase the effects of an amphetamine by listing them in the order they appear on this page.
  • Cessation of use – this is obvious, stopping amphetamine use will let your body regain equilibrium again after some time.
  • Alkalizing agents (i.e. Bicarbonate, calcium carbonate) - This helps increase the absorption & bio-availability of an amphetamine if taken orally, and decreases the amount excreted in the urine.
  • Combining stimulants - As described above, taking two stimulants together help potentate the effects of each other.
  • Taking Vitamin supplements - This is sort of the same idea as stimulant + stimulant potentiation. However taking vitamin supplements to increase a stimulants effects is different.
  • NMDA receptor antagonists - This causes reduced tolerance by decreasing the flow of calcium ions through the NMDA receptor, slowing the development of tolerance.

Lowering Tolerance - Stopping All Use

By far the easiest and safest way of lowering tolerance to anything is by stopping all use of that substance for an extended period of time. I understand that isn't an option for some people. But for everyone taking amphetamines recreationally, this is by far the most effective way. The only downside is it takes time.

Potentation - Alkalization & Bio-Availability

Taking an alkalizing agent with an Amphetamine - when you take it orally - will help increase its effects by allowing more of it to be absorbed by your stomach. Potentiating your dose by alkalising your stomach will not reduce tolerance, as you are actually increasing the amount of amphetamine that is making it to your brain. Ampheatmine is less well absorbed in strongly acidic conditions than neutral or basic conditions. Taking something like Tums, Rolaids or baking soda should increase its effects a little bit more by causing an increase in bio-availability. However baking soda tastes awful. I recommend Tums or some other calcium carbonate tablets if you can't handle the taste. But if you can somehow take baking soda without puking from the horrid taste, I recommend that more since the alkalising effects of Tums only last for 30 minutes or so.

Taking too much baking soda can cause excess sodium in the blood, and can possibly cause severe gas or bloating, as well as causing diarrhea.
Taking baking soda and calcium carbonate may have a constipating effect if you take too much.

Potentiation - Stimulant + Stimulant

Taking a stimulant, with another stimulant is also an effective way at increasing the effects. For instance, taking methylphenidate with dextroamphetamine will increase the effects of both stimulants. Since taking a scheduled stimulant with another scheduled stimulant isn't practical since both of those are going to - or should - be strong enough on their own, you should consider taking over the counter stimulants to help increase prescription stimulant effects.
Obviously, combining 2 stimulants with a common mode of action won't decrease your tolerance.
Combining stimulants increases the potential for adverse effects like paranoia, anxiety, panic, high blood pressure, etc. and should always be done with care

The two OTC stimulants most people will have access to are caffeine, or ephedrine/pseudoephedrine.

Caffeine - Caffeine does an okay job at helping to increase the effects of a prescription stimulant. However, since many people also have a considerable tolerance to caffeine (I know I do!), you may have to take a higher dose of Caffeine than your used to. Purchasing some caffeine pills at your local GNC or any other nutrition store should give you 100mg or 200mg pills. I personally don't like Caffeine since it makes me shaky at higher doses. But if you don't have a problem with that, then go for it!

Pseudoephedrine & Ephedrine (original trade name; Sudafed) – the ephedrines are amphetamines that are from the Ephedra genus of plants. They are less centrally active than amphetamine is, and produce effects primarily by releasing norepinephrine and mimicking adrenaline at receptors. Ephedrine is more potent than pseudopehedrine by a factor of 8 to 10 times. The ephedrines are primarily used as stimulating decongestants. Overuse of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine can cause hypertension (high blood pressure) and sometimes rebound congestion.

Levmetamfetamine - (original trade name; Vicks Vapo Inhalers - Levmetamfetamine is the levorotatory enantiomer of Methamphetamine and is found in Vicks Vapo Inhalers. Levmetamfetamine is a synonym by the drug companies used to hide the fact that one of the active ingredients is "Levomethamphetamine." Methamphetamine has recreational value, however, the Levorotatory isomer of Methamphetamine is CNS inactive. This means it does no have any effect on the Central Nervous System or brain. Due to this fact, it will not give you a high like Methamphetamine does. It does have some Norepinephrine effects outside of the CNS and therefore is a mild stimulant.

Levmetamfetamine can be used to increase the effects of a CNS active stimulant. However, caution should be used when using Levmetamfetamine due to it's ability to cause hypertension and anxiety. Also, it should be noted that, even though Levmetamfetamine is, technically, Methamphetamine - there is no recreational value to abusing it. I've tried and it does provide mild stimulation, however, the amount required for mild stimulation is the same amount that can give you bad anxiety and cause hypertension. Caution is advised when dosing.

Propylhexedrine (original trade name; Benzedrex - Propylhexedrine is very similar to Methamphetamine. It's molecular structure is exactly the same as Methamphetamine. The only way the two differ is; Propylhexedrine has a cyclohexyl group (cyclohexane) where Methamphetamine would have a Benzene ring. Propylhexedrine has pharmacology similar to that of Amphetamine. It's able to cross the blood-brain barrier and inhibits DAT, NET and SERT through TAAR1 agonism (speculated) just like Amphetamine does.

Propylhexedrine, therefore, may have potential recreational value. However, it's vastly less potent than Amphetamine or Methamphetamine is, and therefore is used in the same way levmetamfetamine is - nasal decongestion via nasal inhalation. The same warnings apply to Propylhexedrine as Levmetamfetamine - the amount required for mild stimulation is the same amount that can give you bad anxiety and cause hypertension. Caution is advised when dosing.

Bupropion (Wellbutrin) - Bupropion is a stimulant-like antidepressant that stops the reuptake of Dopamine and Norepinephrine just like most other stimulants. It is related to the cathinones, and has a mild stimulating effect even though it does not reliably produce euphoria. Combining buproprion with amphetamines may increase the risk of seizure, especially at high doses of buproprion. It is also disputed whether or not bupropion will help increase the effects of Amphetamine. Some users report it does, and some report it doesn't. Pharmacology doesn't help us determine this either. Try a low dose and decide for yourself

Vitamin supplements - Vitamins + Stimulant potentiation

L-Tyrosine, L-DOPA The aforementioned chemicals are precursors to Dopamine. By taking L-Tyrosine or L-DOPA, the body will absorb it and use it to synthesize Dopamine. Therefore - any stimulant that has dopaminergic effects will have an increase in Dopamine levels on top of the stimulants effects on Dopamine. What this means is; besides the increase in dopamine levels that the stimulant will produce, L-Tyrosine or L-DOPA will also increase Dopamine levels on top of that due to the fact that the body will turn it into Dopamine.

(Will add more tomorrow)

NMDA antagonists for tolerance reduction

For the average person, the best option is to take between 30 and 60 mg of DXM, once or twice a day (first alongside your amphetamine dose, then halfway through the day). Get a bottle of magnesium supplements as well, and take the recommended dose in the morning. Eating healthy and excercising will also help.

If you can find some, memantine or amanitidine are good replacements because they lack the SNRI "antidepressant" effect of DXM They used to be used as influenza antivirals before every strain of the flu developed resistance. Now they are used to help treat neurodegenerative diseases.

OTC NMDA Antagonists
  • Magnesium - Yup, that's right! Plain old magnesium is an NMDA antagonist and will help lower amphetamine tolerance. This is by far the safest one, but the least effective.
    Magnesium supplements come in several forms, as pure magnesium is an indigestible metal. "Chelated" magnesium is any form of magnesium that is paired with a carbon-based acid, like magnesium citrate or magnesium glycinate. You will often hear people say "only get chelated magnesium", but realistically, any form will work. You can even just eat 1/2 gram of Epsom salts a day. The NIH recommends people don't eat more than 350mg of elemental magnesium a day. (i.e. 3.5 gm of magnesium citrate, or sulphate, both about 10% by weight Mg) because it can have a laxative effect and in rare cases can cause electrolyte imbalances. Magnesium is also reputed to reduce jaw grinding, clenching, and muscular twitching.
    Magensium is even absorbed through the skin, if you bathe in water with a cup or so of epsom salts (magnesium suphate).
  • Zinc – Zinc supplementation can help NMDA receptor function
  • Dextromethorphan (DXM) - This is the main anti-cough medication that is found in OTC drugs like Nyquil, Robotussin and Mucinex. Taking some of this everyday (commonly stated as 30 to 60mg a day) has been reported to lower tolerance. DXM is a serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor as well, and may produce dependence if overused.
  • Alcohol (Ethanol) – Alcohol is a NMDA antagonist, but its use for reducing amphetamine tolerance is discouraged. Regular use of alcohol can lead to dependence and liver damage.
Prescription only/illegal NMDA antagonists...
  • Memantine and amantidine - NMDA antagonists that are used as neuroprotectants. These are long-duration and have fewer side effects than e.g. PCP. they are probably your best choice, if you can get access to them.
  • Ketamine – Developed as an analogue of PCP with a shorter duration and more tolerable side effects profile, ketamine is an anesthetic and dissociative hallucinogen that is commonly used in emergency/battlefield medicine, to anesthetise children or people with liver problems, and in veterinary usage. However, prescriptions for ketamine are extremely rare, and it is usually only ever used as a anesthetic for patients undergoing surgery. Sometimes it is formulated into a cream to be used as a topical painkiller. In recent years ketamine has been touted as a cure for depression. Overuse of ketamine is associated with bladder damage in some individuals. Its duration is likely too short for use preventing tolerance.
  • Methoxetamine, 3-MeO-PCP, et cetera – these are analogues of ketamine and PCP sold as “research chemicals”. They have much longer durations than ketamine, and are suitable for use as tolerance reduction aids if the doses are kept very low - below "psychedelic" effect levels.
  • Nitrous Oxide - Also know as a laughing gas, is used to render people insensible during dental work. Nitrous Oxide is also used to sedate people during surgeries. Nitrous Oxide is never given out in a prescription, but it can be found in whipping cream cans as well as “whippits” designed for whipped cream dispensers, because it provides more foaming action than air. Nitrous oxide has a very short duration, and so must be continually delivered as a mixture with oxygen in surgery. Used recreationally it produces a rapid and short-acting high, and is therefore not suitable for use to reduce tolerance. Overusage can cause oxygen deprivation and depletion of vitamin B12.
  • Methadone - Methadone is an opioid that is used to help opioid addicts stabilise and detox. It has a long half life, and due to its potency is often very addictive itself. It is also used in chronic pain treatment. Methadone is more toxic than other opioids and has a high risk of overdose when combined with other depressants. It is not suitable for regular use unless you are opioid dependent.
  • Tramadol – Tramadol is a moderately weak opioid with additional painkilling effects, used as a codeine replacement and in veterinary medicine. It is a weak NMDA antagonist and has a variety of other effects, making it unwise to use for tolerance reduction.
  • Phencyclidine (PCP) – PCP was developed as an abnesthetic, but its long duration of action and tendency to produce hallucinations led to it being rebranded as a veterinary anesthetic, and eventually banned. It is used as a dissociative hallucinogen and commonly smoked on cigarettes or marijuana joints known as “dippers” or “sherm sticks”. It has a very long duration of action, and can be a powerful intoxicant, so must be used with care if you plan to use it for tolerance reduction... if at all.
  • Ibogaine - a powerful hallucinogen that has a wide spectrum of effects, but is also a NMDA antagonist. It is too hallucinogenic and expensive for regular use, & can cause cardiac problems because it binds to a protien known as hERG.
  • MK-801 - a "research chemical" and very potent NMDA antagonist.
Further Reading
Wikipedia: Amphetamine, methamphetamine, methylphenidate.
Erowid: Amphetamines, methylphenidate
Bluelight: NMDA antagonists for tolerance (part 2), Amphetamine FAQ, Amphetamine Neurotoxicity and Tolerance Prevention (part 2, part 3)
 
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Nice guide.

Buspirone and melatonin taken at night can help you recover faster in between amphetamine use.

My take on ROA:
Don't stick it in your vein, use the UYB method. (Up your butt)
 
great guide man!! it has some really good info!!

my input:

-lowering tolerance...MXE - potent NMDA antagonist; strong serotonin reuptake inhibitor

-add a come-down guide
 
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great guide man!! it has some really good info!!

Thanks a lot for the compliment! It have been updating this guide for around 2 months now and it's nice to here someone appreciate all my hard work! :)

my input:

-lowering tolerance...MXE - potent NMDA antagonist; strong serotonin reuptake inhibitor

-add a come-down guide

That's a research chemical, correct? I've been trying to find out more info about these experimental drugs. I'll do some more research and add a research chemical section eventually.
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I never thought about adding a comedown section :/ I will definitely look into that. However, my own personal experience with Amphetamines is rather limited. I have only ever tried Adderall (Racemic Amphetamine & Dextroamphetamine), Ritalin (Methlyphenidate) and Pseudoephedrine. If I were to add a comedown guide, I would need a lot of input from MDMA users, Street Meth Users, Pharmaceutical Meth Users, Bath Salt users, Khat - Cathinone - users and others. I'll make a thread about that shortly.

Nice guide.

Again, thanks a lot for the praise! :)

Buspirone and melatonin taken at night can help you recover faster in between amphetamine use.

My take on ROA:
Don't stick it in your vein, use the UYB method. (Up your butt)

Also good info! I'll add that too the comedown guide!
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Anyways, Thanks both of you for the great input! :) If anyone else could chime in, I woudl really appreciate that!
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Soz double post

Well done man!

I would love to see more detail like timing and dosage information specifically for Magnesium and DXM for use in potentiation and tolerance reduction.

Cheers.
 
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Good info but mixing stims can be bad advice? to a newbie increased side effects and overdose. Also Wouldn't mixing them BUMP your tolerence more? If you wanna increase it caffiene aye, I find buy a MONSTER as they contain all stims caff, turine, vitb, guanaa, glucose, etc

Now you never I DON'T THINK mentioned PIRACETAM?? I usually use ANI* and OXI* per day.

as for the RoA, I agree Stick with oral and the odd bang (sniff, iv) but I have had times I can't get anyhigher from Ethlyphen then I IV and its back and I binge crazy then feel baaad and realise theres no way I can oral/snort now! till I comedown/sleep.

Another is HUGE binges that last for 3-6 days

Where you on AMPHETAMINES when you wrote this? :D
 
Mirtazapine will lower tolerance and increase sensitivity to stimulants. It also comes with a bunch of other risks and side effects..
 
The UYB method also makes amphetamines last longer because it's absorbed in the bloodstreem better
 
What about Memantine as a means by which to lower/reverse Amphetamine tolerance? It is a *very* long-acting NMDA antagonist. The research I've done has been largely inconclusive but memantine's ability to reverse amphetamine tolerance is very interesting.
 
Well done man!

I would love to see more detail like timing and dosage information specifically for Magnesium and DXM for use in potentiation and tolerance reduction.

Cheers.

That's actually a great suggestion! I will look into getting this done for the whole thread! Thanks for the suggestion! :)

Good info but mixing stims can be bad advice? to a newbie increased side effects and overdose. Also Wouldn't mixing them BUMP your tolerence more? If you wanna increase it caffiene aye, I find buy a MONSTER as they contain all stims caff, turine, vitb, guanaa, glucose, etc

That's something that I completely overlooked! Thanks for the heads up! This could potentially be dangerous, so I will try to add it to the thread ASAP! I also forgot to mention the use of L-Tyrosine, L-Tryptophan, and 5-HTP as a way of increase amphetamines (All of those are found in energy drinks btw) so I will update my post with that information ASAP as well.

Now you never I DON'T THINK mentioned PIRACETAM??
Never heard of it! I'll do my research and see about adding it to the list!
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Where you on AMPHETAMINES when you wrote this? :D

Indeed I was ;) 90MG's of Adderall XR if I remember correctly :)

Mirtazapine will lower tolerance and increase sensitivity to stimulants. It also comes with a bunch of other risks and side effects..

Thanks for the info about this! I've also never heard of this, and I will also do my research and see about adding it as well!
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The UYB method also makes amphetamines last longer because it's absorbed in the bloodstreem better

Never heard of the UYB method lol. Looks like I need to do more homework :p I'll also see about adding this to the list!

What about Memantine as a means by which to lower/reverse Amphetamine tolerance? It is a *very* long-acting NMDA antagonist. The research I've done has been largely inconclusive but memantine's ability to reverse amphetamine tolerance is very interesting.
You're definitely right about it being interesting! I did a quick google search and a lot of unexpected information came back. I am very interesting in learning more about this! Thanks for letting me know about this! I will definitely add this to the list when I find out more about it!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGNDykGSiZg&playnext=1&list=PL9935D4256BCEC9F8&feature=results_main
Other than that? I've heard a small amount of downers can lower the heart palpitations. Just what I heard...

I have heard about this as well, but I debunked it because taking stims with depressants can be extremely dangerous. However, I will also look into finding out more information about this.
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Bupropion (Wellbutrin) - Bupropion is a stimulant-like antidepressant that stops the reuptake of Dopamine and Norepinephrine just like most other stimulants. But is not a releasing agent. Which is why you will most likely not feel any effects from Bupropion for a few weeks while it builds up in your system. However, just because you don't feel it right away, doesn't mean that it isn't working. In addition to an Amphetamine, or other stimulant causing the release of Dopamine and Norepinephrine, Bupropion will help potentiate the effects of an amphetamine, or any other stimulant that effects Dopamine and Norepinephrine, by also stopping their reuptake. I've also noticed that taking Bupropion also makes the come down of Adderall & Ritalin much more tolerable, and not as hellish. However, Wellbutrin/Bupropion is an RX only medication. Even so, it isn't DEA regulated. Getting a prescription shouldn't be difficult. Just tell your doctor that you are trying to quit smoking and they shouldn't have any reservations about giving it to you.
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What timing do you use when dosing Amphetamine +Bupropion?
 
i've noted something, taking l-glutamine with amphetamines causes your tolerance to skyrocket. i was taking the l-glutamine for muscle recovery after workouts, and i realised my doses of dexedrine weren't as effective the next day. after some research (although its not covered very well) amphetamines increase glutamine levels in the brain and by supplementing with more you're effectively building an enormous tolerance to the amphetamine.

probably not the most useful post but still to anyone out there thats taking them both beware.

i've also found that using an ALCAR supplement prior to bed makes my dose the next day feel more potent. melatonin in the evening taken in a XR dose (2mg) helps me sleep and also prevents neurotoxicity from amphetamine use. again, the next day i feel that my dexedrine works more effectively but i don't suggest using melatonin frequently, perhaps 1-3 times a week.
 
Nice write up!! I will diffidently keep dxm and alcohol in mind. Although I don't think mixing the two is a good idea.
 
Nice write up!! I will diffidently keep dxm and alcohol in mind. Although I don't think mixing the two is a good idea.

Lol most definitely. I wouldn't mix Alcohol and DXM either.

Anyways, I updated the post with a couple more stimulant + stimulant possibilities. The comedown guide is currently half written. When I'm completely done with it, I'll add it in ;)

Thanks for the support and praise everyone!!
 
This is a fantastic, well credited and detailed post - I hadn't said before, but bravo and thank you for putting your time and effort into it. I guess you've been pretty speeded up while writing it eh!

As for pseudoephedrine, eurgh, I didn't even realise how easy it was to get in London, I told the pharmacist I had blocked ears from a cold and could he suggest something, sure enough I get a box of 28 60mg pure tablets for a ridiculously cheap price! Completely pure! I was a bit shocked when that happened. Anyway, I found mixing it with my dexedrine was a bad idea. Really potentiaties the negative side effects (and I'd only taken 120mg) and seemed to raise my tolerance the next day. I think I might have take too much, but the recommended dose I the packet was two tabs. Never again.

A strange potentiator for amphetamine is actually the hormone melatonin. It helps production of dopamine when used co jointly with amphetamines and also protects you from oxidative stress! However I don't really recommend it as it can mess your body clock up quite a bit. Taking it at night after the amphetamine has worn off is a very good idea though as it helps prevent tolerance build up and damage the amphetamine could do for the next 24 hours or longer if you have XR melatonin.
 
Was reading through and thought i'd add something, firstly, might be worth adding to the part about using baking soda to potentiate speed that in doing so your tolerance will build faster since you're essentially taking more, secondly, mirtazapine was mentioned in the comments above, i can't comment on whether it reduces tolerance or not but if it does it seems like a perfect combo with speed because you can take it every night before you sleep to get rid of any restlessness from the speed as mirtazapine is a nice sedative at lower doses
 
i have IVed Dexedrine (crushed the beads in fine powder) and got no rush like IVing cocaine or street meth, i have tried IVing instant release Ritalin, and did not get a rush, just felt the effcts in a few minutes, effects similiar to as taken orally..i have IVed instant release morphine sulphate, getting no rush, is the reason im not getting these immediate rushs because its not in HCL form? cocaine HCL, meth HCL, give me hellish rushes, heroin, hellish rushes, but when i have pure morphine IR sulphate, no rush, does it have to do with the base, from sulphate to HCL?
 
Was reading through and thought i'd add something, firstly, might be worth adding to the part about using baking soda to potentiate speed that in doing so your tolerance will build faster since you're essentially taking more, secondly, mirtazapine was mentioned in the comments above, i can't comment on whether it reduces tolerance or not but if it does it seems like a perfect combo with speed because you can take it every night before you sleep to get rid of any restlessness from the speed as mirtazapine is a nice sedative at lower doses

Mirtazapine is good for coming off of amphetamines because of it's antagonistic effects on dopamine, as well as Norepinephrine. However, Mirtazapine will have no effect on tolerance to amphetamines because it has no effect on the NMDA receptor.

Mirtazapine could in theory potentiate amphetamine the next day because of it's inverse agonistic effects on the α2A-adrenergic receptor. However, because it antagonizes dopamine, blocks the dopamine transporter, antagonizes adrenaline (at all sites except the α2A site), and blocks the norepinephrine transporter - this is very unlikely.

i have IVed Dexedrine (crushed the beads in fine powder) and got no rush like IVing cocaine or street meth, i have tried IVing instant release Ritalin, and did not get a rush, just felt the effcts in a few minutes, effects similiar to as taken orally..i have IVed instant release morphine sulphate, getting no rush, is the reason im not getting these immediate rushs because its not in HCL form? cocaine HCL, meth HCL, give me hellish rushes, heroin, hellish rushes, but when i have pure morphine IR sulphate, no rush, does it have to do with the base, from sulphate to HCL?

I'm not surprised to be honest. All prescription drugs are very diluted with fillers that are actually pretty dangerous if you IV them. They do that on purpose to stop people from snorting and injecting the drugs. What you should have done was filtered out the fillers using a base (like lye or chloroform) and then removed the base, checked the pH (to make sure it's not too acidic or alkaline) and then injected them.

If you ever do this again, please do what I described above (find a website online that has an actually guide). Also use something that has less fillers such as Adderall.
 
i have IVed Dexedrine (crushed the beads in fine powder) and got no rush like IVing cocaine or street meth, i have tried IVing instant release Ritalin, and did not get a rush, just felt the effcts in a few minutes, effects similiar to as taken orally..i have IVed instant release morphine sulphate, getting no rush, is the reason im not getting these immediate rushs because its not in HCL form? cocaine HCL, meth HCL, give me hellish rushes, heroin, hellish rushes, but when i have pure morphine IR sulphate, no rush, does it have to do with the base, from sulphate to HCL?

Please don't IV these things anymore. Not using a filter on these = major problems later down the road.
 
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