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Benzos Fallen in love with Xanax, got some questions about combining with opioids and avoiding dependence

I think I have found my new drug of choice. Had been using stimulants heavily like meth, vyvanse, amphetamine paste, ritalin, etc. and thought they were my DOC, but I've totally fallen in love with alprazolam and it's shown me just how much stimulants were just something I did looking for fun, but always ended in sorrow and despair. I won't get into it here but stimulant use was ruining my life, causing me to engage in risky behaviour, excessive porn consumption, yeah, basically turned me into a monster. I would say I enjoy MDMA and Psychedelics more than Xanax, infact, when I first tried 2CB I thought "In my 7 years of drug use this is exactly what I've been searching for!" so maybe 2CB is my true drug of choice, but xanax is coming in at a close second.

I have been able to go into a barbers and get a haircut for the first time in 2 years, I usually have extreme anxiety around getting a haircut (I am diagnosed with ASD) but I felt completely fine and managed to talk with the barber exactly what I wanted done with no fuss. I have also found the Xanax makes me less anxious of what other people think of me, which is a big problem for me, I was playing My Chemical Romance out of my speakers at home, which I would usually be scared to do because I have some kind of trauma of when my biological father basically bullied me for liking them when I was a kid.

I feel more chatty and like I have found myself again, I have been through HELL with stimulant use, it ruined me, I didn't realise how much of my soul it tore apart. The Xanax makes me feel human again, and happy, and I feel like I can finally breathe properly, it's weird.

I avoided benzos for so long because I have had bad experiences with blackouts, from drugs and alcohol, where I do things I would never normally do and got arrested a few times. This time I have been able to totally control myself with my usage. I take 1 or 2mg and that's it, I feel no need to compulsively redose, and I make sure to avoid alcohol when I take them. Maybe that control just comes with age.

Last night I mixed 5 grams of Bali Gold Red Strain Kratom, 60mg of codeine and 2mg of alprazolam, and had such an great high. It was dope. My question is, I want to try 40mg of oxycodone which I have a lot of experience with, and would like to try combining Xanax with it. I have 1mg xanax pills, I think 1mg would be safer, but would really like to try 2mg, so 40mg of oxy and 2mg of alp. I know the dangers are respiratory depression and overdose, and I don't really want to die but I think this combo would feel amazing. If anyone has any info here on what I should do, 1mg, 2mg, or just skip the alp completely and do straight oxy.

I'm also going to pick up some diazepam to see how i like it compared to the alprazolam because I like the punch of the alp but feel like it wears off too fast. I have tried diazepam before but it has been years. Here's the thing I'm worried about, dependence and addiction. In my head, I'm thinking that because xanax is out of your system SO much faster than valium, that you could take it more often without becoming dependent on it. I'm not sure so if you know please explain how it works, basically I'm asking how often can I take xanax without becoming dependent on it and going through withdrawals. Also the same question for diazepam.

I figure a lot of people drink alcohol almost daily, but do not become dependent on it and experience withdrawal when they don't have it. I do NOT want to go through benzo withdrawal. I know it's the worst of the worse. I just want to use it recreationally here and there, not a drug that I'm on 24/7.

Sorry for the long post, any answers/advice will be highly appreciated

Thank You and Namaste
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This is a nightmare waiting to happen.. please quit while you still can
 
It's cool @Xanniemcfanwie knowing people feel more in control and less afraid is what makes it worth it to do all of this. It makes my day to know you feel better, truly :)

It also feeds the uncontrollable, all-knowing ego machine that is Keif' Richards of Bluelight, so that is a plus.

Your description of past Benzodiazepine usage means that all of this Kindling and complicated stuff like that doesn't come into play. You don't have to worry about waiting to start. For reference's sake, this would apply to someone typically maintained on Benzodiazepines daily over the course of months. This would be like you taking 20mg Diazepam three times a day for 6 months to a year before you'd really start dealing with these issues.

You're free of former dependencies on the Benzodiazepines, so this doesn't apply to you at all.

For me, the worst feeling of Opioid withdrawal is the inner restlessness, described medically as akathisia and most-often personified in the form of Restless Legs Syndrome. Some people describe it as "ants crawling underneath their skin" and some describe as a complete physical manifestation of the emotion of anxiety. Everybody describes it differently, but I believe we are all experiencing the same thing through our respective lenses.

There are lots of other symptoms and things going on during Opioid withdrawal, but this feeling of inner restlessness is the North Star by which I calibrate my own maintenance of withdrawal symptoms. The ability to sleep at night for at least 4 hours is also a fairly critical factor. My best advice is to use these two metrics to determine what you need to succeed.

You're in a great position in not having to report for normal work, as this gives you flexibility. A lot of really great people with really great intentions don't make it and for a huge swathe of people, they break their attempts at sobriety and go back to their drug as they have responsibilities they can not reasonably maintain their protocol. That doesn't mean their wasn't a way for them to do it, they just bit off more than they could chew at once.

Your description of the Diazepam 10mg is telling. Diazepam, as I said, has a lot of variance in different people. For me, Diazepam 30mg feels like Clonazepam 1mg at most.

If I were telling someone to try to withdraw from Buprenorphine without any kind of medication aids, I would always, always recommend as slow as humanly possible. This is the most predictable and probably most ethically-advisable way of doing this. However, I am also the type of person that likes to make larger, strategically planned drops over shorter periods of time. There is just something in that method that has always worked for me.

Given that Buprenorphine is long-acting, I don't really think it's a great idea to jump straight from Buprenorphine 3.6mg Sublingually to 2mg SL it might interfere with the philosophy of biting off more than you can chew. There is nothing crazy about trying though and it wouldn't surprise me if it worked for you. If you go this route, I would say, take your Diazepam 10mg 3x per day to maintain over the course of 7-10 days. You will likely experience the peak of your symptoms at the ~72hr mark and start to see resolution after 5 with most symptoms completely resolved by day 10.

These are long-acting drugs we're describing, so a good way of looking at it is 90% resolution by day 10, but that the last 10% could take weeks. That is what Post-Acute Withdrawal is, a lingering, but considerably more mild withdrawal. You'll be 98% resolved at 6 weeks and feel brand new by two months, but I'm obviously shooting from the hip with these specific timeframes. I do feel it's a good way of looking at the situation though.

If it were me personally and I was trying to do the most sensible thing possible, I would take your daily dosage of Buprenorphine 3.6mg and hit in 25% increments. Again, if it were me, I would do 1mg over 7 days then wait 2-4 weeks for the next drop and repeat the process to a tee. This combines a direct approach while also not loading up your plate too much. A lot of people have failed at this simply for trying too hard.

You have the ability to try different methods though. Don't be afraid to test the waters a little bit and see what you can handle. We will be right here if you have any questions.
That’s sound advice and I think I will follow your suggestion. Apologies I should’ve clarified I thought I might be able to use the diazepam to help me get down to 3mg and then my end goal is to hit 2mg by the end of the year. But i think I could try and knock the whole mg off and aim for 2.6 that’s a great idea. I’ll work on it and get back to you soon. Appreciate it once again
Cheers
 
It's cool @Xanniemcfanwie knowing people feel more in control and less afraid is what makes it worth it to do all of this. It makes my day to know you feel better, truly :)

It also feeds the uncontrollable, all-knowing ego machine that is Keif' Richards of Bluelight, so that is a plus.

Your description of past Benzodiazepine usage means that all of this Kindling and complicated stuff like that doesn't come into play. You don't have to worry about waiting to start. For reference's sake, this would apply to someone typically maintained on Benzodiazepines daily over the course of months. This would be like you taking 20mg Diazepam three times a day for 6 months to a year before you'd really start dealing with these issues.

You're free of former dependencies on the Benzodiazepines, so this doesn't apply to you at all.

For me, the worst feeling of Opioid withdrawal is the inner restlessness, described medically as akathisia and most-often personified in the form of Restless Legs Syndrome. Some people describe it as "ants crawling underneath their skin" and some describe as a complete physical manifestation of the emotion of anxiety. Everybody describes it differently, but I believe we are all experiencing the same thing through our respective lenses.

There are lots of other symptoms and things going on during Opioid withdrawal, but this feeling of inner restlessness is the North Star by which I calibrate my own maintenance of withdrawal symptoms. The ability to sleep at night for at least 4 hours is also a fairly critical factor. My best advice is to use these two metrics to determine what you need to succeed.

You're in a great position in not having to report for normal work, as this gives you flexibility. A lot of really great people with really great intentions don't make it and for a huge swathe of people, they break their attempts at sobriety and go back to their drug as they have responsibilities they can not reasonably maintain their protocol. That doesn't mean their wasn't a way for them to do it, they just bit off more than they could chew at once.

Your description of the Diazepam 10mg is telling. Diazepam, as I said, has a lot of variance in different people. For me, Diazepam 30mg feels like Clonazepam 1mg at most.

If I were telling someone to try to withdraw from Buprenorphine without any kind of medication aids, I would always, always recommend as slow as humanly possible. This is the most predictable and probably most ethically-advisable way of doing this. However, I am also the type of person that likes to make larger, strategically planned drops over shorter periods of time. There is just something in that method that has always worked for me.

Given that Buprenorphine is long-acting, I don't really think it's a great idea to jump straight from Buprenorphine 3.6mg Sublingually to 2mg SL it might interfere with the philosophy of biting off more than you can chew. There is nothing crazy about trying though and it wouldn't surprise me if it worked for you. If you go this route, I would say, take your Diazepam 10mg 3x per day to maintain over the course of 7-10 days. You will likely experience the peak of your symptoms at the ~72hr mark and start to see resolution after 5 with most symptoms completely resolved by day 10.

These are long-acting drugs we're describing, so a good way of looking at it is 90% resolution by day 10, but that the last 10% could take weeks. That is what Post-Acute Withdrawal is, a lingering, but considerably more mild withdrawal. You'll be 98% resolved at 6 weeks and feel brand new by two months, but I'm obviously shooting from the hip with these specific timeframes. I do feel it's a good way of looking at the situation though.

If it were me personally and I was trying to do the most sensible thing possible, I would take your daily dosage of Buprenorphine 3.6mg and hit in 25% increments. Again, if it were me, I would do 1mg over 7 days then wait 2-4 weeks for the next drop and repeat the process to a tee. This combines a direct approach while also not loading up your plate too much. A lot of people have failed at this simply for trying too hard.

You have the ability to try different methods though. Don't be afraid to test the waters a little bit and see what you can handle. We will be right here if you have any questions.
So I’m back here with a question. Apologies as I feel you have addressed it but I just want to clarify one thing.

I’ve been taking 30mg-40mg diazepam a day now for 7 days .
During that time the past 3 days I’ve stuck at 2.8mg bupe instead of 3.6mg which is epic in my head however I believe you said 10 day max consistent diazepam use which means I could do this for two more days and then I believe I should have a week or two off at least before I try to do anything more.

Can I clarify.
10 days max consistent diazepam use and then don’t take any for say 7 days? Or 14 days of no diazepam before I do another 10 days consistent use and try to drop say 0.4mg of bupe down to 2.4mg

I’m just a little confused about max consistent daily use and how long I should have off ‘diazepam’ to avoid any dependency issues.
I’m happy to play the long and slow game and to be honest it’s worked well so far for the four days I tried it but the first three days of diazepam use was to get a feel of how it may help me so I can’t really continue taking diazepam daily any longer than today if I’m honest as it’s technically day 8 of constant use. ( I did have one day off in the middle)


I think I may be able to stick to 2.8mg bupe from now on if I can and tough it out it’s more about the diazepam tolerance breakz

My worst fear is adding insult to injury but becoming even a tiny bit dependent on Valium scares the crap out of me.

So in short
Is 10 days of 30-40mg diazepam going to cause me issues and if not how long before I can try another 10 days of diazepam use and so on and so forth.

From now on the diazepam is only going to be used to allow me to take 0.4mg less of bupe until I reach my goal of 2mg a day consistently with out any diazepam.

When I get there I will try the next big step of
using diazepam to move to 1.6mg and then another break before 1.2mg etc etc


I just want to know exactly what my max consistent 30–40mg diazepam use is in a row and how long I should leave (taking no diazepam) before I can try another 10 day stint.

Apologies if there’s a lot of repetition in this message. I’m writing with one eye open and one closes just to see the keypad. I added a few beers tonight to be sociable and I’m ready for sleep.

Cheers again in advance

xannie!
 
I think I have found my new drug of choice. Had been using stimulants heavily like meth, vyvanse, amphetamine paste, ritalin, etc. and thought they were my DOC, but I've totally fallen in love with alprazolam and it's shown me just how much stimulants were just something I did looking for fun, but always ended in sorrow and despair. I won't get into it here but stimulant use was ruining my life, causing me to engage in risky behaviour, excessive porn consumption, yeah, basically turned me into a monster. I would say I enjoy MDMA and Psychedelics more than Xanax, infact, when I first tried 2CB I thought "In my 7 years of drug use this is exactly what I've been searching for!" so maybe 2CB is my true drug of choice, but xanax is coming in at a close second.

I have been able to go into a barbers and get a haircut for the first time in 2 years, I usually have extreme anxiety around getting a haircut (I am diagnosed with ASD) but I felt completely fine and managed to talk with the barber exactly what I wanted done with no fuss. I have also found the Xanax makes me less anxious of what other people think of me, which is a big problem for me, I was playing My Chemical Romance out of my speakers at home, which I would usually be scared to do because I have some kind of trauma of when my biological father basically bullied me for liking them when I was a kid.

I feel more chatty and like I have found myself again, I have been through HELL with stimulant use, it ruined me, I didn't realise how much of my soul it tore apart. The Xanax makes me feel human again, and happy, and I feel like I can finally breathe properly, it's weird.

I avoided benzos for so long because I have had bad experiences with blackouts, from drugs and alcohol, where I do things I would never normally do and got arrested a few times. This time I have been able to totally control myself with my usage. I take 1 or 2mg and that's it, I feel no need to compulsively redose, and I make sure to avoid alcohol when I take them. Maybe that control just comes with age.

Last night I mixed 5 grams of Bali Gold Red Strain Kratom, 60mg of codeine and 2mg of alprazolam, and had such an great high. It was dope. My question is, I want to try 40mg of oxycodone which I have a lot of experience with, and would like to try combining Xanax with it. I have 1mg xanax pills, I think 1mg would be safer, but would really like to try 2mg, so 40mg of oxy and 2mg of alp. I know the dangers are respiratory depression and overdose, and I don't really want to die but I think this combo would feel amazing. If anyone has any info here on what I should do, 1mg, 2mg, or just skip the alp completely and do straight oxy.

I'm also going to pick up some diazepam to see how i like it compared to the alprazolam because I like the punch of the alp but feel like it wears off too fast. I have tried diazepam before but it has been years. Here's the thing I'm worried about, dependence and addiction. In my head, I'm thinking that because xanax is out of your system SO much faster than valium, that you could take it more often without becoming dependent on it. I'm not sure so if you know please explain how it works, basically I'm asking how often can I take xanax without becoming dependent on it and going through withdrawals. Also the same question for diazepam.

I figure a lot of people drink alcohol almost daily, but do not become dependent on it and experience withdrawal when they don't have it. I do NOT want to go through benzo withdrawal. I know it's the worst of the worse. I just want to use it recreationally here and there, not a drug that I'm on 24/7.

Sorry for the long post, any answers/advice will be highly appreciated

Thank You and Namaste
💖
If you're taking Xanax everyday, you're going to be dependent after 2 weeks.

If you're not getting prescription benzodiazepines, you're running the risk of getting extremely potent benzos or benzos mixed with fentanyl.

Honestly, if you've been taking Xanax daily for more than 2 weeks, you're probably getting rebound anxiety. If you're only dosing once a day. You may not realize it because you're taking so many other drugs.
 
So I’m back here with a question. Apologies as I feel you have addressed it but I just want to clarify one thing.

I’ve been taking 30mg-40mg diazepam a day now for 7 days .
During that time the past 3 days I’ve stuck at 2.8mg bupe instead of 3.6mg which is epic in my head however I believe you said 10 day max consistent diazepam use which means I could do this for two more days and then I believe I should have a week or two off at least before I try to do anything more.

Can I clarify.
10 days max consistent diazepam use and then don’t take any for say 7 days? Or 14 days of no diazepam before I do another 10 days consistent use and try to drop say 0.4mg of bupe down to 2.4mg

I’m just a little confused about max consistent daily use and how long I should have off ‘diazepam’ to avoid any dependency issues.
I’m happy to play the long and slow game and to be honest it’s worked well so far for the four days I tried it but the first three days of diazepam use was to get a feel of how it may help me so I can’t really continue taking diazepam daily any longer than today if I’m honest as it’s technically day 8 of constant use. ( I did have one day off in the middle)


I think I may be able to stick to 2.8mg bupe from now on if I can and tough it out it’s more about the diazepam tolerance breakz

My worst fear is adding insult to injury but becoming even a tiny bit dependent on Valium scares the crap out of me.

So in short
Is 10 days of 30-40mg diazepam going to cause me issues and if not how long before I can try another 10 days of diazepam use and so on and so forth.

From now on the diazepam is only going to be used to allow me to take 0.4mg less of bupe until I reach my goal of 2mg a day consistently with out any diazepam.

When I get there I will try the next big step of
using diazepam to move to 1.6mg and then another break before 1.2mg etc etc


I just want to know exactly what my max consistent 30–40mg diazepam use is in a row and how long I should leave (taking no diazepam) before I can try another 10 day stint.

Apologies if there’s a lot of repetition in this message. I’m writing with one eye open and one closes just to see the keypad. I added a few beers tonight to be sociable and I’m ready for sleep.

Cheers again in advance

xannie!
If you're taking 40 mg of diazepam a day for a week. You can probably get away with only mild withdrawal. If you're taking 40 mg of Valium for 14 days in a row, you can't just cold turkey quit. You're going to have withdrawal.
 
I’ve been taking 30mg-40mg diazepam a day now for 7 days .
During that time the past 3 days I’ve stuck at 2.8mg bupe instead of 3.6mg which is epic in my head however I believe you said 10 day max consistent diazepam use which means I could do this for two more days and then I believe I should have a week or two off at least before I try to do anything more.

First, congrats on lowering your bupe dose if you're ready for that. But why are you taking so much diazepam, I think you may find that you can still get "enough" relief at lower levels.

SKIP THIS PARAGRAPH IF YOU DON'T NEED MY EXPERIENCE WITH BUPE AND BENZO BACKGROUND
I was on bupe for 4 years this time around, and finally made the taper push to 0 about 2 weeks ago. I kept a detailed log of my taper amount and Xanax use during it. For a reference point, I was on 16mg of bupe for about 1.5 years, then stepped down to 12mg (4mg 3x a day) for about 1 year, then 8mg for about half a year, then 6 for a half year, then about 1.5-1mg for about 5 months before before I made the final push to zero starting at the beginning of February. About 2 years ago I started taking 1-2mg of Xanax every 2-3days. I didn't want to push my luck so I moved down to taking .25-.5 mg every 2-3 days. Years ago during my first suboxone stint (I was on it for about 3 years in total then, this was about 10 years ago), I was abusing benzos, I wouldn't take them every day but I'd take anywhere from 6mg to 20mg of either Xanax of Klonopin. Now that I've established a base background to show I'm not naïve to benzos, or tapering suboxone, I can get to the point...

I reviewed my taper chart from when I went from 6mg of bupe a day to 1mg (this was about 4 months ago), and I was taking .5mg to 1mg of Xanax a night to assist with sleeping. The bupe taper was pretty rapid as well as I went from 6mg to 1mg in 6 days, at which point no Xanax was taken, I then tried to taper to .5mg of bupe for 5 days, and during this period I took 1mg of Xanax a night and found great relief from it. All that being said, I relapsed on 60mg Oxycodone after the 6th day of .5mg bupe, which I attribute mostly to my reckless fast taper. The high I received was not a desired high either as it was extremely sedating with mild euphoria. The next day I took no bupe, and then went back on 1mg of bupe a day.

After the single day release I took 1-1.5mg of bupe a day for the next 4 months, until the beginning of Feb when I started a slower taper from 1.25mg to 0 in 24 days. Which looking back still felt fast for me, and was a bit uncomfortable but still manageable with the .25mg of Xanax I was taking during most of the taper. I'm 8 days of taking 0 bupe, and 14 days from when I started taking about .05mg of bupe a day(yes .05 not .5). I'm back to taking .25mg of Xanax about every 3 days or so.

The entire point of this is, why not try smaller and then increase if you absolutely need to. 40mg of Diazepam is about 3mg of Xanax a day, and that's definitely going to cause a dependency at some point, or at the least it will mentally affect your mental health. It would be extremely unfortunate for your situation to add another physical dependency. My experience with Benzos is at low doses a physical dependency is much harder to achieve, and you really don't want to deal with that during a period as volatile as tapering suboxone.

I understand that this post is a little off topic from the forum itself, but since I just went through what you're going through I thought providing some personal experience might help. Best of luck, you'll make it out on the other side, but don't rush it, the longer you take the easier it is to taper down from my experience. The first time I tapered off of a 3 year bupe stint (this was about 10 years ago), I stayed at .25mg for about 3months before I went lower, and it was a much more comfortable experience. I had jumped off of .125 that time and I only had 1 night where I felt like I had a very slight cold. If you are doing good things in your life, and you have a doctor that will let you continue on a low dose for awhile I would definitely recommend a very long end taper. Just don't overdo the benzos.
 
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First, congrats on lowering your bupe dose if you're ready for that. But why are you taking so much diazepam, I think you may find that you can still get "enough" relief at lower levels.

SKIP THIS PARAGRAPH IF YOU DON'T NEED MY EXPERIENCE WITH BUPE AND BENZO BACKGROUND
I was on bupe for 4 years this time around, and finally made the taper push to 0 about 2 weeks ago. I kept a detailed log of my taper amount and Xanax use during it. For a reference point, I was on 16mg of bupe for about 1.5 years, then stepped down to 12mg (4mg 3x a day) for about 1 year, then 8mg for about half a year, then 6 for a half year, then about 1.5-1mg for about 5 months before before I made the final push to zero starting at the beginning of February. About 2 years ago I started taking 1-2mg of Xanax every 2-3days. I didn't want to push my luck so I moved down to taking .25-.5 mg every 2-3 days. Years ago during my first suboxone stint (I was on it for about 3 years in total then, this was about 10 years ago), I was abusing benzos, I wouldn't take them every day but I'd take anywhere from 6mg to 20mg of either Xanax of Klonopin. Now that I've established a base background to show I'm not naïve to benzos, or tapering suboxone, I can get to the point...

I reviewed my taper chart from when I went from 6mg of bupe a day to 1mg (this was about 4 months ago), and I was taking .5mg to 1mg of Xanax a night to assist with sleeping. The bupe taper was pretty rapid as well as I went from 6mg to 1mg in 6 days, at which point no Xanax was taken, I then tried to taper to .5mg of bupe for 5 days, and during this period I took 1mg of Xanax a night and found great relief from it. All that being said, I relapsed on 60mg Oxycodone after the 6th day of .5mg bupe, which I attribute mostly to my reckless fast taper. The high I received was not a desired high either as it was extremely sedating with mild euphoria. The next day I took no bupe, and then went back on 1mg of bupe a day.

After the single day release I took 1-1.5mg of bupe a day for the next 4 months, until the beginning of Feb when I started a slower taper from 1.25mg to 0 in 24 days. Which looking back still felt fast for me, and was a bit uncomfortable but still manageable with the .25mg of Xanax I was taking during most of the taper. I'm 8 days of taking 0 bupe, and 14 days from when I started taking about .05mg of bupe a day(yes .05 not .5). I'm back to taking .25mg of Xanax about every 3 days or so.

The entire point of this is, why not try smaller and then increase if you absolutely need to. 40mg of Diazepam is about 3mg of Xanax a day, and that's definitely going to cause a dependency at some point, or at the least it will mentally affect your mental health. It would be extremely unfortunate for your situation to add another physical dependency. My experience with Benzos is at low doses a physical dependency is much harder to achieve, and you really don't want to deal with that during a period as volatile as tapering suboxone.

I understand that this post is a little off topic from the forum itself, but since I just went through what you're going through I thought providing some personal experience might help. Best of luck, you'll make it out on the other side, but don't rush it, the longer you take the easier it is to taper down from my experience. The first time I tapered off of a 3 year bupe stint (this was about 10 years ago), I stayed at .25mg for about 3months before I went lower, and it was a much more comfortable experience. I had jumped off of .125 that time and I only had 1 night where I felt like I had a very slight cold. If you are doing good things in your life, and you have a doctor that will let you continue on a low dose for awhile I would definitely recommend a very long end taper. Just don't overdo the benzos.
Mate I really appreciate this

Thanks for telling me your story by the way I am really proud that you managed to get off bupe and it’s great to hear a success story especially with only one night of feeling a bit under the weather.

I’m going to be honest I was new to benzos and took the high dose because I Wanted to feel the effect more pronounced. In a way I just wanted to get high. It was silly but it was only for about 4 days.
It didn’t actually make me high it just sent me comfy and very sleepy and I had some incredible nights sleep.
Then I thought seriously this could be what helps me lower my bupe dose so I will keep it much more chill from now on.
I haven’t had a diazepam for 48 hours exactly right now. I feel absolutely fine after 7 days use ranging 10mg a day up to 40mg.

I won’t play with these things. I know they are from a pharmacy and I’m pleased that I know the dosage is correct and valid.
I ordered enough to make it so I can do some long term tapering. E.g 5-7 day use to make a drop in bupe. Wait a week or two and then repeat the process

I need to be free of bupe and I don’t want to take the mick or rush it.

My problem is if I make it 3 days using less bupe I know I have a stash that I can access
With diazepam I don’t feel the need to search for extra bupe so I can take a lower dose and from now on maybe try 10-20mg diazepam just at night to make me sleep well and feel ready for the next days bupe dose.

What I really don’t understand is.
If I do these 5 day x 20-30mg (I will try just 10mg next time round) diazepam in a row how long should I wait before trying again.

I’m lucky that most of my bupe dose is in 400mcg tablets. I get 4 x 400mcg and 1 x 2mg tablet. This means I can drop 400mg at a time until I hit the 2mg bar alone and then I can move on to 4 x 400mg a day or in effect 1.6mg a day. And then remove one more again.

For reference my dosage regime is
For 3.6mg - 1.4mg morning 1.4mg afternoon and the last 0.8mg at bedtime

Past five days I have just done 1mg morning, 0.8mg afternoon, and final 1mg late evening and then Valium after 8-9pm for bedtime.

Past two days I’ve done the same but no Valium

If I figure this out roughly in my head then I need to cycle the drops six or seven times to get me down to my last 400mg and then I can go really slowly from there.

I know this is all on paper as a valid way of doing it but I also know once I hit less that 2mg a day it gets harder.

I won’t mess with benzos I know it can be shit but I just want to do it carefully and a lot of responses are really really helpful

I almost want a black an white instruction sheet as for time on benzos vs time off to make sure I’m nowhere near dependency as these roughly 200 x 10mg diazepams are all I will ever have and I want to use them wisely.

Getting high doesn’t work for me now but at least if I can get to tee total then a beer down the pub with friends will be the only buzz I’ll ever search for.

None of these drugs are really worth it in my life but I’m in a pickle and I think there is an easier way out with what I have now

My next step in say a week? Or should I wait 2 weeks is to do
1mg morning 0.4mg afternoon and then 1mg at night with the help of Valium for five days and then try to continue that dose alone.

I should also say I have quite a handle full of edibles. Quite weak but they do also help me nod off to sleep. Only problem is they are hand baked by some Etsy dudette and just a little too much sends me into an anxiety induced Whitey. Just the right amount and I’m quietly pleased and calm ish.

I do have ADHD which doesn’t really help. But that’s another story

Thanks for all your input so far Andy more support and advice would be great

Cheers
 
If you're taking 40 mg of diazepam a day for a week. You can probably get away with only mild withdrawal. If you're taking 40 mg of Valium for 14 days in a row, you can't just cold turkey quit. You're going to have withdrawal.
Thanks for that man
I’ve never experienced benzo withdrawal and I’m pretty sure I don’t want to so I appreciate the update. No way would I go more than 7 days unless some doc had me in a coma and I had no choice.

Staying safe playing the long game. I’ll get there in the end
 
I’m going to be honest I was new to benzos and took the high dose because I Wanted to feel the effect more pronounced. In a way I just wanted to get high.
This is what I figured because I did the same thing on the first 2 doses. Your brain can have moments of weakness during this period vs when you were on a stable sub dose. For me at least, Cannabis has been the most useful tool in the entire taper process. The Benzos are extremely useful tools, but they need to be treated as a tool, which it looks like you've acknowledged. I don't think you're going to get an exact black and white guide on what you can and can't do. I'd personally think you could get away with 10mg diazepam for a while though, but something like 30-40mg you'll be pushing things after an extended use. The real issue here is I think the taper is going to take longer than want. You could go fast, but it can be reckless and easily lead to very bad decisions. Going at a medium taper rate will have you in light withdrawal for the entire time as you'll never truely stabilize(how I did it this time), but you need to find other ways to get comfortable because a month of benzo use isn't ideal. Ideally, once you get to 2mg I would stay there for at least a month to truly stabilize on it, and then start working you way down like 200mcg per 2 weeks. The hardest part for me with my 1 month taper from 1mg to 0 was the .5 to 0 period. Rushing the taper really doesn't seem to make the withdrawals stop sooner with bupe. Going with an extremely slow taper does seem to drastically shorten the withdrawal period though. Again man, best of luck I know shits hard but you can make it, hopefully you have someone close to you that understands what you're going through, because it really does make you feel more comfortable knowing you can vent about it and have someone close listen or help.
 
This is what I figured because I did the same thing on the first 2 doses. Your brain can have moments of weakness during this period vs when you were on a stable sub dose. For me at least, Cannabis has been the most useful tool in the entire taper process. The Benzos are extremely useful tools, but they need to be treated as a tool, which it looks like you've acknowledged. I don't think you're going to get an exact black and white guide on what you can and can't do. I'd personally think you could get away with 10mg diazepam for a while though, but something like 30-40mg you'll be pushing things after an extended use. The real issue here is I think the taper is going to take longer than want. You could go fast, but it can be reckless and easily lead to very bad decisions. Going at a medium taper rate will have you in light withdrawal for the entire time as you'll never truely stabilize(how I did it this time), but you need to find other ways to get comfortable because a month of benzo use isn't ideal. Ideally, once you get to 2mg I would stay there for at least a month to truly stabilize on it, and then start working you way down like 200mcg per 2 weeks. The hardest part for me with my 1 month taper from 1mg to 0 was the .5 to 0 period. Rushing the taper really doesn't seem to make the withdrawals stop sooner with bupe. Going with an extremely slow taper does seem to drastically shorten the withdrawal period though. Again man, best of luck I know shits hard but you can make it, hopefully you have someone close to you that understands what you're going through, because it really does make you feel more comfortable knowing you can vent about it and have someone close listen or help.
You’ve made me take a step back and reevaluate.
I’m safe with my meds from the doctor. I know that my bupe prescription will last as long as I need. What blew my mind was being on 4mg for a year and finally dropping to 3.6mg when they (doctors) let me. They said I should stabilise for a year before considering the drop to avoid drug seeking temptations.
However when I found that the small amount of Valium let me take such a smaller amount I was mind blown and so I wanted to run for the sun.

However I’m taking a step back like you said. I can take my time. I will also have access to Xanax instead if I choose. Great hookup so choices and choices.

I will imprint in my mind that benzos are tools. Tools for short term acute use to allow me to reach my end goal which is essentially freedom.

I know this now and actually after taking 40mg Valium one of the days and feeling nothing much other than chillness and a good sleep there really isn’t much drug seeking behaviour there for me.

So, long and slow. Today marks 4 days no diazepam. And 6 days at 2.8mg bupe.

I’m going to continue the same bupe dose now for roughly 2-4 weeks and then try to drop to 2.4mg with maybe 3-5days of Valium or Xanax. I don’t really know what’s better as again I don’t have the benzo experience. The xannie is XR so maybe it’s similar in half-life but I just thought it might be better at night time knock outs when needed.

I actually think I should just try to lower the bupe without any external drug interaction. And then when those days hit where I’m feeling off use the benzo to help level out.


I realised when you said that it takes a month to really stabilise that I can’t just think “woo hoo I’ve done 6 days at a lower dose I’ve made it”

So yeah I’ll play the long game and stay away from all benzos until I actually feel like I need them.

Once again all I can say is thank you so much for your story. Thank you for getting back to me and good luck on your bupe sobriety. You are my aspiration. I really hope I can get to where you are one day soon. Maybe the end of the year would be a good estimate.

We are all trying to be the best we can and I’m finally at a place in my life where I really think I can achieve this.

Peace and love as always
 
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