Does requesting a opiate medication to prevent using cause a red flag, even if you don't use... but might... and use kratom quite a bit?

[funeralfather]

had an oxy goldmine for 2 years, not addicted cause I haven't thought about it, but kinda wanna go back to my gold mine or cop off the streets way to expensive to test every pill which i would do, can you get on anything pharma without being addicted but to prevent relapse... cause i bought did, and 3 pills and 2 fent test is way to expensive, damn i wish i lived here during the pill mills, no i don't but still i think its more dangerous how it is now, maybe im older and still need to grow up and just stop thinking about it.... but i cant say that if i found the same type of deal i had down here, that I would eat them like candy... cause they helpppp... like juiceworld said.... they help slow my manic creativity down enough to process it and channel it, like I could get off clonazepam if i had an oxy script ... i just think with a doctor yeah i might get a little happy, like i did with my adderall ir, until I switched to xr. but i could be honest... if anyone says medical marijuana helped them stop.... tell them to message me cause im fukkkkkeeedd and I hope and pray I don't have to be on them cause I typed this shit, I just wish i could voluntarily say hey... this dispensary shit cool can you do it for opiates... smdh and I know being sober is the best thing..

 

[darvocet21]

Oxycodone I used to worship that stuff. I had an opportunity to take it recently from a reliable source. Not that great. I prefer kratom but that's because I have a lot of scars from opioid use and abuse in my soul. I prefer kratom as it's a more complex subtle and longer lasting experience

 

[darvocet21]

Re your question it would since in the United States no doctor aside from addiction medicine specialists are allowed to prescribe any opioid for treatment or prevention of illicit drug use

 

[funeralfather]

Re your question it would since in the United States no doctor aside from addiction medicine specialists are allowed to prescribe any opioid for treatment or prevention of illicit drug use

They just replied we don’t provide medications if you are addicted. Whaaaa. So I gotta relapse to get help when I can just buy it straight from. Fuck it I’ll relapse when I get home then

 

[funeralfather]

Oxycodone I used to worship that stuff. I had an opportunity to take it recently from a reliable source. Not that great. I prefer kratom but that's because I have a lot of scars from opioid use and abuse in my soul. I prefer kratom as it's a more complex subtle and longer lasting experience

It became blah at the end. Kratom makes me sick and does nothing i just wanna come down

 

[darvocet21]

It became blah at the end. Kratom makes me sick and does nothing i just wanna come down

that's how I feel about strong opioids now, and when the Peak begins to wear off I regret that too, and then I'm constipated for several days. But everybody's at different stages. Kratom actually provides me with more uplift and very mild pain relief at a lower dose of about five to seven grams. Anything over 8g tends to give me dysphoria

 

[funeralfather]

that's how I feel about strong opioids now, and when the Peak begins to wear off I regret that too, and then I'm constipated for several days. But everybody's at different stages. Kratom actually provides me with more uplift and very mild pain relief at a lower dose of about five to seven grams. Anything over 8g tends to give me dysphoria

Wobbles and sick but I take quite a bit once a day. But it still isn’t a full agonist. Personally find Kratom to be more like suboxone in nature

 

[darvocet21]

Wobbles and sick but I take quite a bit once a day. But it still isn’t a full agonist. Personally find Kratom to be more like suboxone in nature

No it's definitely not a full Agonist why it's less addictive I find taking three times a day works better than taking it just once but it does have a supposedly long half life

 

[funeralfather]

No it's definitely not a full Agonist why it's less addictive I find taking three times a day works better than taking it just once but it does have a supposedly long half life

i found Kratom to be worse the anything coming off it.

 

[darvocet21]

i found Kratom to be worse the anything coming off it.

Well you've never come off methadone then. Hopefully you never have to

 

[papercuts]

Can't imagine a doctor giving you oxy for nothing more than to satisfy your craving for opioids!
For opiates from the dr you have to say it's definitely purely for physical pain and not for the benefit of your head or mood or boredom or danger of relapse, that's when they stick a label on you.
I feel my back starting to go again, did you know they cannot confirm or disprove back pain? It can get really bad, but I think your instincts to stay away are leading you to a better path. I'm drinking pod tea until I get fed up with the water and just eat the powder instead, morphine directly under the tongue and buccal, five minutes and I'm good, but shit, I can't go anywhere without it and it's tricky to explain at the border of my miniscule country of residence, like impossible to explain really because they do this weird thing whereby if they catch you with the wrong plant material they take you and lock you inside a concrete box and keep you there at great expense to the taxpayers until they think something called justice has been served, then they let you out. Really weird shit that, no logic to it, dunno why they do that.

 

[papercuts]

i found Kratom to be worse the anything coming off it.

I'd agree with that, kratom made me so sick for two weeks when I stopped it, very very sick & weak and lost a lot of weight that I needed to hang onto. On the other hand I've never tried coming off buprenorphine for more than a few days unless I was heavily into pods at the time, then I didn't even notice
If I just stopped bupe, I suspect it would be fairly horrific, worse than kratom.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Wobbles and sick but I take quite a bit once a day. But it still isn’t a full agonist. Personally find Kratom to be more like suboxone in nature

no dr is going to give you opiates to keep you from using and on top of that it might get you a flag in your chart
you do not want a flag in your chart
you then run the risk of being undermedicated for pain in the future as in the rest of your life
the last thing you should do is ask your dr like that sorry

this article is pretty grim and shows how all the things people normally do when in pain now become black check marks forever in a algorithm that can cut you off from ever getting pain medication

The Pain Was Unbearable. So Why Did Doctors Turn Her Away?

A sweeping drug addiction risk algorithm has become central to how the US handles the opioid crisis. It may only be making the crisis worse.

www.wired.com

 

[darvocet21]

no dr is going to give you opiates to keep you from using and on top of that it might get you a flag in your chart
you do not want a flag in your chart
you then run the risk of being undermedicated for pain in the future as in the rest of your life
the last thing you should do is ask your dr like that sorry

this article is pretty grim and shows how all the things people normally do when in pain now become black check marks forever in a algorithm that can cut you off from ever getting pain medication

The Pain Was Unbearable. So Why Did Doctors Turn Her Away?

A sweeping drug addiction risk algorithm has become central to how the US handles the opioid crisis. It may only be making the crisis worse.

www.wired.com

Prior to the 1918 Harrison Narcotics Act the rates of opioid addiction were the same or smaller than today and people less likely to die of accidental overdose even though you could buy them over the counter or from the Sears catalog. More women than men had the habit, Laudanum use was something associated w/ the lower class because beer and wine were expensive. And having the habit was viewed not as a disease at all but a moral failing and a problem of the will.

 

[plumbus-nine]

It depends on your country and the doctor. I made both experiences, for one they wanted me to prove abstinence over 12 months from anything just to get a Concerta (methylphenidate) prescription with the local ADHD clinic in Germany, while in Switzerland they asked me openly if I had experiences with cocaine or other stims and how they affected me. Also to get into opioid maintenance all required was a positive urine sample. But I guess the latter are exceptions from the rule that usually it unfortunately indeed raises red flags to talk about recreational use, let alone abuse/addiction of/to substances, controlled ones or not. I guess Germany is Europe's substitution hellhole (no take home for first half year or so, continued urine samples, only 30 days holidays etc) while Zurich is the positive exception and most places will lie somewhere in-between.

@darvocet21 Interesting, I thought that it must have been that way, that illegality and war on drugs will complicate addictions not just by circumstances but the very addiction progress itself, some examples of decriminalization like Portugal do already speak a clear language but most ruling people won't listen.

 

[darvocet21]

It depends on your country and the doctor. I made both experiences, for one they wanted me to prove abstinence over 12 months from anything just to get a Concerta (methylphenidate) prescription with the local ADHD clinic in Germany, while in Switzerland they asked me openly if I had experiences with cocaine or other stims and how they affected me. Also to get into opioid maintenance all required was a positive urine sample. But I guess the latter are exceptions from the rule that usually it unfortunately indeed raises red flags to talk about recreational use, let alone abuse/addiction of/to substances, controlled ones or not. I guess Germany is Europe's substitution hellhole (no take home for first half year or so, continued urine samples, only 30 days holidays etc) while Zurich is the positive exception and most places will lie somewhere in-between.

@darvocet21 Interesting, I thought that it must have been that way, that illegality and war on drugs will complicate addictions not just by circumstances but the very addiction progress itself, some examples of decriminalization like Portugal do already speak a clear language but most ruling people won't listen.

Actually drugs aren't legal in Portugal if you're a caught with a small amount of a recreational drug like marijuana it's a infraction and they will confiscate it and if it's a harder drug you will probably be sentenced to some form of drug education or rehab

 

[plumbus-nine]

Actually drugs aren't legal in Portugal if you're a caught with a small amount of a recreational drug like marijuana it's a infraction and they will confiscate it and if it's a harder drug you will probably be sentenced to some form of drug education or rehab

Yeah, I meant decriminalization (as it's named as such in the news) not legalization, unfortunately most countries don't have the balls to do full legalization and as you said, in Portugal you'll still be sentenced to rehab if it's a big amount or repeated infraction which isn't the best way to deal with things. But this was enough for death toll to plummet.
Afaik is Uruguay the only country which fully legalized all sort of drugs. It's quite a shame that the country which brought the world the war on drugs, the opium acts and all (the US) is now leading in legal marijuana and other decriminalization.

 

[darvocet21]

Yeah, I meant decriminalization (as it's named as such in the news) not legalization, unfortunately most countries don't have the balls to do full legalization and as you said, in Portugal you'll still be sentenced to rehab if it's a big amount or repeated infraction which isn't the best way to deal with things. But this was enough for death toll to plummet.
Afaik is Uruguay the only country which fully legalized all sort of drugs. It's quite a shame that the country which brought the world the war on drugs, the opium acts and all (the US) is now leading in legal marijuana and other decriminalization.

Look at the example of California where you have an open air market for dangerous drugs and masses of homeless and other mentally ill people being subsidized to buy meth fentanyl and so on.

And then look at Japan which has extremely strict drug laws, but it's also possible to buy alcohol including hard liquor in vending machines

 

[plumbus-nine]

Look at the example of California where you have an open air market for dangerous drugs and masses of homeless and other mentally ill people being subsidized to buy meth fentanyl and so on.

Oh they had the same in Zurich/Switzerland three decades ago, a huge open drug scene with dealers, rotting people etc. near the major train station - first let it be, then raided and arrested all the people and finally settled for an easy availability of opioid maintenance, even pharm grade IV diamorphine is available for hard cases now. As said, only requirement for getting a morphine XR script was one positive urine sample and some interview, then got a weeks worth of pills instantly. And I wasn't even there for heroin addiction but primarily for dissociatives, which was a term I first had to explain them.

Weird fact about Japan, didn't know that yet.

 

[darvocet21]

This is off topic but I'd like to start a thread to discuss and debate Peter Hitchens book that the British government essentially gave up on enforcing drug laws in 1970-1