Do Guys Think All Women are the Same?

[stolemyheart87]

The number of guys I have dated, been in relationships with or talked too over the course of being single, a lot of them have told me the typical reasoning's behind why they are single and don't date much.


A lot of them have said the typical of they were cheated on. They were abused, used, their parnters didn't love them, their partners were gold diggers, were an opportunist, the women was independent causing them to be less loyal to their man, the women being independent and well educated because they are more demanding, selfish, conceited, etc.


So if this is indeed true, why is it so difficult for some if not most men, to date women again. I don't think that all women are like this. I know I am different and not like most women but yet most guys who think like this of women won't date me because they think all of this will happen to them again.

What do you think?

 

[Mel22]

You've just described some very common excuses that people give when they're simply not that into you.

If they liked you enough, they would date you.

 

[theredgiant]

People who generalize about large groups of people tend to be fucking idiots. In 2016 desperation is at an all time high and standards are at an all time low. It's beyond easy to find someone these days


As far as all women being the same, well that is nonsense. Men need to choose women based on their culture. American culture being the worst and bottom of the barrel. A man needs to find a culture that represents the values they can appreciate and find a woman who was raised with those values or in said culture.

 

[socko]

The number of guys I have dated, been in relationships with or talked too over the course of being single, a lot of them have told me the typical reasoning's behind why they are single and don't date much.


A lot of them have said the typical of they were cheated on. They were abused, used, their parnters didn't love them, their partners were gold diggers, were an opportunist, the women was independent causing them to be less loyal to their man, the women being independent and well educated because they are more demanding, selfish, conceited, etc.


So if this is indeed true, why is it so difficult for some if not most men, to date women again. I don't think that all women are like this. I know I am different and not like most women but yet most guys who think like this of women won't date me because they think all of this will happen to them again.

What do you think?

In a nutshell, American men are increasingly giving up on marriage and family. More men in history are single and have no intention of getting married. The American dating scene is abysmal. The available single women have literally priced themselves out of hte dating market. Unless you are rich and willing to use your wealth to get a woman or you are handsome (at least an 8 out of 10) or willing to lower your standards and be with somebody who scores at least 2 points beneath you, you will probably die alone.

Let me suggest that you read "the red pill" discussions on reddit or whatever it is. Also google and read about MGTOW. Both of these sites are about millions of men who have the same problem as you and your friends. This problem is something an inordinate number, as in MILLIONS, of American men are experiencing in our generation. I believe the cause of the problem is American culture itself. It has gone down the toilet.

People who generalize about large groups of people tend to be fucking idiots. In 2016 desperation is at an all time high and standards are at an all time low. It's beyond easy to find someone these days


As far as all women being the same, well that is nonsense. Men need to choose women based on their culture. American culture being the worst and bottom of the barrel. A man needs to find a culture that represents the values they can appreciate and find a woman who was raised with those values or in said culture.

I agree with you that generalizing is wrong in a sense, but generalizations wouldn't exist if there was nothing to base them on. In cases in which there is any truth to them, generalizations can capture the impression somethign gives.They can also be statistically acurate when applied to populations. However, generalizing is wrong, intellectually lazy, and stupid when you try to apply it to every single person in that group. You yourself just generalized about American culture. You claimed that it is the bottom of the barrel. To prove that to be true, you would have to show that it applies to all aspects of American culture, which I don't think anybody can do. Having said that, American gives a bad impression. My point is that everybody generalizes. It's how we categorize, classify, and rate information.

 

[One Thousand Words]

All women are individuals until you give them a diamond as a gift, then they all become the same

 

[-=SS=-]

In a nutshell, American men are increasingly giving up on marriage and family. More men in history are single and have no intention of getting married. The American dating scene is abysmal. The available single women have literally priced themselves out of hte dating market. Unless you are rich and willing to use your wealth to get a woman or you are handsome (at least an 8 out of 10) or willing to lower your standards and be with somebody who scores at least 2 points beneath you, you will probably die alone.

Let me suggest that you read "the red pill" discussions on reddit or whatever it is. Also google and read about MGTOW. Both of these sites are about millions of men who have the same problem as you and your friends. This problem is something an inordinate number, as in MILLIONS, of American men are experiencing in our generation. I believe the cause of the problem is American culture itself. It has gone down the toilet.

Similar situation in the UK. Incidentally you mention the Red Pill, something I've been reading recently.. some interesting insights and stories there, worth reading around on.. however I think it falls short in terms of a life philosophy for the male masses (lots of guys talking about just making money and spinning plates) but that's another discussion..

Part of the issue is that it's not just about money - that's just a very visible surface manifestation. Women have always been attracted to wealth because it confers stability and security, and that in itself is fine.. it makes evolutionary sense. But in the last half a century we've lost the plot, both sexes have; money and consumerism have largely replaced religion and duty to society as the main driving forces in a persons life.. we've become unbelievably selfish. That's the crux of the issue. We had social conventions and customs that used to keep things in balance but it's all gone out the window.. we're now progressive, liberal, sexually liberated, and "free".

Plenty of women out there to have sex with.. it's ridiculously easy to get. Finding a woman who won't get bored, swing branches, or generally bring you down.. much more difficult.

 

[Felonious Monk]

In a nutshell, American men are increasingly giving up on marriage and family. More men in history are single and have no intention of getting married. The American dating scene is abysmal. The available single women have literally priced themselves out of hte dating market. Unless you are rich and willing to use your wealth to get a woman or you are handsome (at least an 8 out of 10) or willing to lower your standards and be with somebody who scores at least 2 points beneath you, you will probably die alone.

Where do you come up with this? When's the last time you even visited America? I live in the WORST dating market in America and that's not even accurate. Maybe halfway there, but just not true.

As far as all women being the same, well that is nonsense. Men need to choose women based on their culture. American culture being the worst and bottom of the barrel. A man needs to find a culture that represents the values they can appreciate and find a woman who was raised with those values or in said culture.

Now that's something I can agree with. Finding someone who matches enough of my extremely esoteric qualifications is difficult. If I was interested in having kids though I would have married my ex, who is plenty desirable and will have a comfortable life as a lawyer (and we got along on plenty of other things like drug consumption haha).

 

[socko]

Where do you come up with this? When's the last time you even visited America? I live in the WORST dating market in America and that's not even accurate. Maybe halfway there, but just not true.

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What's your secret? Where in America do you live? Help out the OP. Millions of American men would like to know too, because what I said is reality for many. In college, it is not like that so much, but after college starting in the mid 20s, the dating market changes drastically. In America, I was lucky if I got one date a year, and I only got that because I lowered my standards, closed my eyes, and experimented with Viagra.

I observed it a wide range of dating markets in America: on the West coast, the East coast, the midwest, and the South. I personally experienced it in America. I don't know if it is a new thing, but it is very real in America now unless you take home that girl nobody else wanted at closing time. I have written about my experiences in some detail there versus here. In America, the only way to get a date is to lower your standards, be rich, or be strikingly handsome. With a middle class income and average looks, droves of men are finding it next to impossible to get an attractive date (a woman who rates the same as they do on a scale from 1 to 10) in America. You can read about it on the websites I mentioned.

Here, it is easy to get a date who is equally attractive to you. Even I can get dates here, as in a few different women a week when I tried just by going up to them and talking to them. In fact, most of the women I have dated here are far better looking than I am and far more educated than their American counterparts. The culture is not as materialistic in Paris. France is also more of a melting pot, and there are women from other cultures here.

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Part of the issue is that it's not just about money - that's just a very visible surface manifestation. Women have always been attracted to wealth because it confers stability and security, and that in itself is fine.. it makes evolutionary sense. But in the last half a century we've lost the plot, both sexes have; money and consumerism have largely replaced religion and duty to society as the main driving forces in a persons life.. we've become unbelievably selfish. That's the crux of the issue. We had social conventions and customs that used to keep things in balance but it's all gone out the window.. we're now progressive, liberal, sexually liberated, and "free".

I think in the old days, it was enough to be middle class. Now, they seem to want wealth. They routinely reject stable, middle class men. One result is that stable families are in decline in America. Americans are no longer having children above the replacement rate. The only reason the population is increasing now is because of immigration.

 

[JessFR]

As a woman, im sick of hearing all women want rich or hyper attractive men. I don't, in fact I would take rich as a point against you. So clearly all women don't want that.

Yea ok maybe im an exception, but that's my point, there are lots of exceptions but if you only look for women where the shallow brainless women congregate, that's likely what you will find againd again.

All this dating economics is all bullshit to me and I lose a lot of respect for anyone that buys into it.

The only thing im interested in in a man is what kind of man he is. What he's like as a person. And in my experience the wealthy tend to also be the materialistic and shallow and I for one don't want any of them. I have a friend who's broke, just got out of homelessness and a heroin addict. Id date him in a heartbeat. Because he's such a sweet nice guy as a person. Someone who respects and defends women and people he cares about. That's what i find attractive.

But im taken already so he'll have to find someone else. But if i ever found myself availible again id be interested in dating him easily.

In short, stop telling me what i want.

Oh and I'm american, im from Connecticut... also lived a long time in Florida.

 

[nuttynutskin]

Dude you're 28. Don't kill yourself because you're single, that's fucking stupid. I'm guessing the reason you're not getting any women has a lot to do with how you present yourself.

Unless you are rich and willing to use your wealth to get a woman or you are handsome (at least an 8 out of 10) or willing to lower your standards and be with somebody who scores at least 2 points beneath you, you will probably die alone.

Wow that's a great outlook. 8(

 

[ShroomySatori]

I present myself really well. I mean, good guess man for sure, because I didn't present myself well at all for a long time - but these days, not only do I make sure I am very well groomed, I have great clothing too that my ex-girlfriend for 4 years helped me pick out, and I know you didn't even mean it in that sense, but I have no trouble grabbing her attention as I am quite personable too.

The problem is sealing the deal. Following through after they begin to seriously flirt. I have no idea how to do that - and yes, I am killing myself over it. I am doing stupid amounts of dope all day every day just waiting for it to happen, really. It is worse this way because I know she likes me. Then I get excited, and I ruin it every time. Then she gives me the cold shoulder like I'm a fucking asshole when really I'm just shy and I'm caught off guard and I don't know what to say or do. I've suffered too much at this point and I need to end my life. I'd say I have a month to live max.

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

As a woman, im sick of hearing all women want rich or hyper attractive men. I don't, in fact I would take rich as a point against you. So clearly all women don't want that.

Yea ok maybe im an exception, but that's my point, there are lots of exceptions but if you only look for women where the shallow brainless women congregate, that's likely what you will find againd again.

All this dating economics is all bullshit to me and I lose a lot of respect for anyone that buys into it.

The only thing im interested in in a man is what kind of man he is. What he's like as a person. And in my experience the wealthy tend to also be the materialistic and shallow and I for one don't want any of them. I have a friend who's broke, just got out of homelessness and a heroin addict. Id date him in a heartbeat. Because he's such a sweet nice guy as a person. Someone who respects and defends women and people he cares about. That's what i find attractive.

But im taken already so he'll have to find someone else. But if i ever found myself availible again id be interested in dating him easily.

In short, stop telling me what i want.

Oh and I'm american, im from Connecticut... also lived a long time in Florida.

Exactly. I am an INDIVIDUAL. I am not like all women. I do not care for materialistic things or flashy cars, jewelry or a man with tons of money. Guys who put all women in the same category make me sick. I went through a phase many years ago where I hated men. Like seriously hated men, but I grew out of that and realized it was ridiculous. You can't label an entire gender as bad because of some bad experiences. Just treat every situation individually. Not all races are bad, not all genders are bad, etc.

Guys who complain about gold diggers are using those women because they look hot just like the woman is using the guy for his money. So I don't feel sorry for those dummies who complain about women only wanting their money. Both people are using each other in that situation.

 

[socko]

I've seen enough of your posts that I know you are not like most single western women. I'll guess that most women who post on bluelight are not like that either. But that's my point. You're not single and therefore not available.
You're sort of proving my point.. My point is that in the American dating pool, assuming they are equal in attractiveness and have similar socioeconomic backgrounds, the vast majority of single women are unobtainable by average looking men of with a middle class income for the reasons I already gave. I'm far from being the only one who has made this observation. I have no problem getting a date in France, as long as she is not American. I just can't get a date with an American woman.

Since writing my original essay, I went further and tested my hypothesis on American Women in Paris. With one exception, and I don't know if she counts because she left the USA 12 years ago, they treated me the way American Women treated me in America - to American Women I'm like the speck of dog shit they want to scrape off the bottom of their shoe.

I wish I could show you all this happening, but I'm not going film myself. I've had guy friends who witnessed this sometimes, and they agreed that at least for those experiences, the women behaved horribly.

As a woman, im sick of hearing all women want rich or hyper attractive men. I don't, in fact I would take rich as a point against you. So clearly all women don't want that.

Yea ok maybe im an exception, but that's my point, there are lots of exceptions but if you only look for women where the shallow brainless women congregate, that's likely what you will find againd again.

All this dating economics is all bullshit to me and I lose a lot of respect for anyone that buys into it.

The only thing im interested in in a man is what kind of man he is. What he's like as a person. And in my experience the wealthy tend to also be the materialistic and shallow and I for one don't want any of them. I have a friend who's broke, just got out of homelessness and a heroin addict. Id date him in a heartbeat. Because he's such a sweet nice guy as a person. Someone who respects and defends women and people he cares about. That's what i find attractive.

But im taken already so he'll have to find someone else. But if i ever found myself availible again id be interested in dating him easily.

In short, stop telling me what i want.

Oh and I'm american, im from Connecticut... also lived a long time in Florida.

nuttynutskin Wow that's a great outlook.

It's bleak, and life is unfair. I lived it, and struggled for years in America, but could not get a single date. I'm not exaggerating. There were a few exceptions like when you count the few times I was so desperately lonely and needing human contact that I lowered my standards, popped a handful of Viagra, and took home the left-over girls at closing time.

It is nothing like this where I am now. I can easily get dates who are equally attractive to me. In fact, I have had girl friends here who are significantly better looking than I am. I've even dated minor nobility and one time a model for a little while here. The difference in the dating scene to America is shocking. America is a bleak place for single, middle-income earning men who are only average looking.

Single, available women in Europe are generally wonderful, and the dating scene is excellent for average looking men who are not rich. In America, teh dating scene is hopeless . Why?! Nothing about myself has changed. I still have a bad attitude and dress like a bum. I can't think of anything about myself that explains the difference. If I'm not to blame, there must be something about the women in America versus Europe. I've been belittled, bullied, insulted, and called all kinds of names (racist, misogynist, stupid, idiot, retarded, ugly, shallow, a Trump supporter, anti-woman,snob, elitist, homosexual, hater of fat people, judgmental, bully, an abuser, mentally ill, self-centered, egotistical, hateful, negative, pessimistic, a complainer, a loser who can't get a date, a monster, a raper, a threat to women, a public enemy - I've written about my experiences elsewhere. ) for pointing it out and complaining about the situation, but it is what I experienced. And the bullies are usually American Women which punctuates my own observations.

Anyway, how's your love life?

 

[stolemyheart87]

Well I am still single, and trying to find a date with a guy but no guys want to give me a chance. So I think I am going to give up on dating altogether, because there is no guy for me.

 

[nuttynutskin]

The problem is sealing the deal. Following through after they begin to seriously flirt. I have no idea how to do that - and yes, I am killing myself over it. I am doing stupid amounts of dope all day every day just waiting for it to happen, really. It is worse this way because I know she likes me. Then I get excited, and I ruin it every time. Then she gives me the cold shoulder like I'm a fucking asshole when really I'm just shy and I'm caught off guard and I don't know what to say or do. I've suffered too much at this point and I need to end my life. I'd say I have a month to live max.

That's what I meant. How you present yourself as a person, not how you present yourself in regards to looks. It sounds like you lack a lot of self confidence and women will pick that up from a mile away. I'm guessing the heroin isn't helping either. Instead of killing yourself why not work on your social skills? Hell, see a psychologist or someone that can help you with these issues. Killing yourself over this shit is honestly pathetic.

 

[Get2Think]

I've never met a women who would ever admit to being like 'those other girls'. They are always the unicorn out of the bunch. The exception. There is much validity to the argument socko makes and I whole heartedly agree that beautiful young women won't waste their best years on a loser for basically the same reasons. They want to know that if needed, their man can take care of them. It's really quite simple.

I live in southern California and here is my anecdotal evidence. This is just my experience with the girls here. A lot of them are fluzzies and have no idea that playing hard to get is a sign of flirting. These women are easy to sleep with for the most part which is both good and bad.

I think the high cost of living here puts a lot of stress on young people. Lots of people are in debt and barely making ends meet just to rent a crummy room or apartment in the ghetto. A lot of these women grew up in privileged households so when the reality hits that they might have to struggle and save for the big house they leap frog to some other dude.

I agree that a lot of these cute (not gorgeous) young women have been priced out of the market here inn California anyways. It's easy to smash but good luck holding onto these women for any length of time. I can't say all women are like this, especially those in the south. But if they are good looking they come with a high list of demands, so if you don't measure up don't expect them to stick around.

Basically lower your standards or make more money. Learn to appreciate fat bishes and you will get laid constantly. They are everywhere these days.

 

[pofacedhoe]

Well I am still single, and trying to find a date with a guy but no guys want to give me a chance. So I think I am going to give up on dating altogether, because there is no guy for me.

awww, poor you.

violins?

stop feeling sorry for yourself its an exercise in wasted time. to be fair from how you describe yourself and multiple threads for a long long time you sound pretty awkward/fussy and want things on your terms in a big way and when you are that type of person you have to accept that that will result in a lot of opportunities that dont work out.

because everyone is doing their own thing

 

[dopemaster]

OP are you serious, I doubt any two people are the same

No I find every person I meet to be different men and women, of course men and women are wired a bit different but not that much

That is a broad ignorant generalization imo, I am guessing you had some bad experiences with dating

Try dating someone who is good to you is all I can say

 

[stolemyheart87]

Oh please what good people, no one today wants to date seriously as in want a relationship, they just want to have sex or friends with benefits, or this or that etc. I want to find someone that wants something serious and can get married down the line but no one wants that.

 

[dopemaster]

Thats bullshit. I want to find someone worth giving my love too, not someone always looking for something better.

I have alot to offer. I just don't really show it irl because I want someone to want me for me and not that I have 5 years of college education or how much my income or equity or fucking inheritance is.

I have dated so many chicks who asked if my parents would buy a house if we got married and I said "don't worry about it, there will be a house if that was to happen" but they pry and pry and really like I don't want to get used like that cuz my mother wants to be Nanna to my kids. She deserves that and is willing to buy it for herself and someone who just wants me for me.

So yeah I don't say how close I am to a dual major. I don't say how much I will inherit. I ain't gonna say what a wedding gift will be.

Isn't it enough that I work and go to school and a gentleman. I never had trouble paying bills on my own.

So yeah I feel like Americans only care about money and like being good in the sack, staying in shape, having a lust for life, being a proper gentleman, and making my own way by choice is not enough. European girls would kill for what I am.

I just think media gives people unrealistic perceptions of life. I thik people got priorities twised. I work as an artist and it doesn't always pay much when you first start but thats why you get a dual major so you can own a gallery or work on salary.

I am seriously frustrated that maybe its cuz I am kinda poor and live in a poor area but money is all people care about. Men and women. I care about what I did with my day and just not going wthout. I prefer the simple life tbph.

I am old skool in every way. I read, I draw, I look at the stars, I don't watch much tv. I have hobbies and enjoy sports and seeing interesting places and museums, lanmarks, traveling, and just doing fun stuff. I don't give a shit about material things that much.

At the end of the day, I would rather have fun than a fucking smart phone to text like four people while sitting in bed after fucking my gf. I fucking hate how technology is tearing people apart and letting themselves isolate themselves.

I seen people have fulll blown meltdowns cuz they can't find their fucking phone and like its charged and they could call it late and find it.