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decent OTC sleep medication?

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Can anyone suggest something decent i can purchase without a script to assist me with sleep. I think i just need something to use for a couple of days as i need to try and get a regular sleeping patterns going on as opposeed to getting to bed at 8am and waking at 2pm everyday

I have had one friend suggest i try phenergan and another friend suggest unison but he wasn't sure if it was OTC or not anymore

Any suggestions would be great
 
What you need is melatonin - the hormone that regulates our sleep pattern, and something to put you to sleep at the right time for a few days to get a regular pattern started.

Melatonin is a bit hard to get a hold of, I believe there is an OTC version available but the dose is to small and formulated badly making it pretty useless I'm told. Might be worth looking online if you really struggle to get a regular pattern happening.

Research dosages for that as I dont remember off the top of my head, as far as making sleep happen at the right time your best over the counter options are going to be anti-hystamines like Phenergan, which I'm 99% sure is still OTC.

Other than that you have restavit (doxylamine succinate) and countless others, but I think Phenergan is accepted as being the most effective.

So with your alarm clock waking you up after a healthy 8 hours sleep, and OTC sleep aids helping you sleep on time you should hopefully be able to fall into a regular sleeping pattern. If its not happening, you need to source some Melatonin, which realistically should not be hard.
Do excercise during the day to make yourself tired, but the crucial thing is making sure you get up after your 8 hours or a specific time, then making sleep happen again and the right time that night.

Best of luck
 
Phenergan knocks me out, pretty sure it's OTC.
DPH in nasea meds is used for sleep by a lot of people, I've never tried it.
And Doxylamine as posted above.
Melatonin you can get at alternative health stores, just pick it off the shelf, I'm not sure of how much mg is in em.
 
Best thing for you would be amphetamines or high doses of caffeine. This is always what I recommend to people that have sleeping time issues and are turning noctural. I used 6mg 2dpmp last time.

Take enough of either to physically stop you getting tired for about 12 hours at 7 am just before you go to sleep. That way you will have to stay awake all day, and eventually crash early that night and hopefully get back on track by using a few sleeping aids the next few days if you need them. But it can be a real bitch to completely reverse a time pattern. Took me a good week to reverse mine, I went extreme though, I was up for 2 days on 2DPMP, and I think that if I had only used sedatives to fall asleep a little ealrier each night this process would've taken about a month.

Promethazine (20-40mg, you do get more sedated with higher amount up to 120mg but you get a worse sleep quality as it cuts back on REM sleep)
Melatonin will work, but its not how a lot of people make it sound. Its doesn't sedate you in the usual sense of the word, its just tricks your brain into thinking that its time to go to bed (related to various photosensitive hormones in the brain), so if you lie down and do try to sleep your system is slightly more ready to "switch off" so to speak as it wouldn've been normally.

Other than that I suggest moving your computer either away from your bed or out of your room and going to bed the exact same time every night with a book to read. If you dont like reading then buy a porn mag (which will also help you sleep when u'r done with it).
 
^ i don't think the OP is having any trouble staying awake, as he is detoxing from opiates.
there is some merit in the idea of not using your sleep space as any other sort of living area (just use your bed for sleep and sex) as this is one of the key elements of good "sleep hygiene"
i think you'll find all of the OTC sleep aids a tad disappointing, but for your purposes BN, i would imagine phenergan could be helpful. you might not feel refreshed when you wake up in the morning, but it should knock you out.
 
Melatonin will work, but its not how a lot of people make it sound. Its doesn't sedate you in the usual sense of the word, its just tricks your brain into thinking that its time to go to bed (related to various photosensitive hormones in the brain), so if you lie down and do try to sleep your system is slightly more ready to "switch off" so to speak as it wouldn've been normally.
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Melatonin supplements arent about putting you to sleep, as its fairly useless at that. Its about simulating the natural melatonin release that occurs at bed time during a normal sleeping cycle. Essentially cutting corners as it could take weeks for your sleep cycle to fully set in, with melatonin release at correct times and what not.

It also gives a higher quality of sleep which you wouldnt get otherwise by just forcing it with sleep aids, you'll still need the anti-histamines to actually put you to sleep - but after a few days of melatonin and correct sleeping times this should happen naturally.
 
fuck this thread has been done 1000 times over phenergan works great but will probz have u feeling a bit groogy the next day i suggest doxylamine brand name dozile 2-3 tablets will have u out like a light :)
 
Thanks for your suggestions guys, i bought some phenegran 25mgs, how many tablets would do the trick?

I assumed this topic had been done a 1000 times but i was having trouble finding an Australian specific thread about it using the search function, sorry for bringing up an old topic
 
u made the right choice. unisom (dph) gives ya a headache the next day. I dont have much eperience with doxylamine but i dont think it was as sedating. I took phenergan as a sleep aid when I used to take tramadol each day.
its a weak antipsychotic. Is's great for allergies or to get rid of the side effects of opiates & doesnt leave ya feeling to bad the next morning.
if ya like me u wanna take a decent dose. they come in 10mg pills & 25mg pills. so u got the strong ones. 3 is the most recommended. theres really no reason to take more than that.
I take antipychotics these days. but i read a sedation comparison between APs which included Phenergan (Promethazine) & 75mg is about eqivelent to 90mg of Seroquel (I cant remember correctly it was either Seroquel 70mg=90mg promethazine or 90mg promethazine=70mg Seroquel. Thats a decent dose of Seroquel for someone without tolerance.
Im not sure why something so effective as phenergan is still otc here!
 
Promethazine also has drowsy effects, poteniates opiates so watch out if you're taking it whilst on opiates.
 
Anon54 said:
u made the right choice. unisom (dph) gives ya a headache the next day. I dont have much eperience with doxylamine but i dont think it was as sedating. I took phenergan as a sleep aid when I used to take tramadol each day.
its a weak antipsychotic. Is's great for allergies or to get rid of the side effects of opiates & doesnt leave ya feeling to bad the next morning.
if ya like me u wanna take a decent dose. they come in 10mg pills & 25mg pills. so u got the strong ones. 3 is the most recommended. theres really no reason to take more than that.
I take antipychotics these days. but i read a sedation comparison between APs which included Phenergan (Promethazine) & 75mg is about eqivelent to 90mg of Seroquel (I cant remember correctly it was either Seroquel 70mg=90mg promethazine or 90mg promethazine=70mg Seroquel. Thats a decent dose of Seroquel for someone without tolerance.
Im not sure why something so effective as phenergan is still otc here!
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"Doxylamine is a member of the ethanolamine class of antihistamines and has anti-allergy power superior to almost every other antihistamine on the market, with the exception of diphenhydramine (Benadryl). It is also the most effective over-the-counter sedative available in the United States [2] and is more sedating than some prescription hypnotics. One study found that doxylamine succinate was more effective than the barbiturate phenobarbital for use as a sedative."

this shit also poteniates opaites so yer watchout
 
Promethazine/Phenergan (active name/brand) (this stuff, antihistamine, works well, especially if you're combining with an opiate as it will relieve histamine release and thus itching. It is also a sedating drug, 2x 25mg is good for antihistamine purposes (I find)
Codeine - Got a tolerance? Work out a dose, start at 60mg and go from there. Look up Cold Water Extraction if you are going this route, paracetemol/ibuprofen in your system in large amounts is not good and can be fatal moreso in the case of paracetamol overdose.

Not OTC:
Melatonin (actually illegal I hear, although it fucking shouldn't be)
Benzos (obvious, go get a short term script for temazepam if your doctor can script one for ya)
Clonidine (branded catapres) (BP Med/ADHD Med/Sleep Med, It's an Alpha blocker) (100ug puts me straight to sleep if I'm wanting to go to bed, usually I take in combination with promethazine, and usually only on a meth binge as that's why i kept it around -- being an alpha blocker, but alas I have no more!)

As posted above, melatonin is what your body produces at night, as far as i am aware, it regulates the body clock/sleep cycle.... (I'm sure someone will chime in and correct me If I'm wrong here...)

Oh, and I'm only suggesting the above meds for harm reduction purposes, as I have found them to be fairly safe when taken for the purpose of sleep and not RECREATIONAL USE which I would never encourage! :) - I'd rather see you take something with my post in mind, instead of overdosing on some hardcore opiates or the like... be safe :)
 
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^Starts off working well, but tolerance go's up reeeaal fast! After weeks use I had to eat half a packet to get any sort of effect and had to stop soon after as it pretty much stopped working. Also makes your mouth dry as fuck so have a glass of water handy on your bedside table

Edit: that was supposed to be for doxy..
 
One of my doctors prescribed me periactin, I think its an antihistamine. He said you dont need a script for it (not sure why he gave me one). I have a half every now and then when my sleeping patern goes to shit. There non addictive and first few times I used them I was still zonked the next day.
 
Stato said:
Not OTC:
Melatonin (actually illegal I hear, although it fucking shouldn't be)
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It's never been illegal, but you used to not be able to buy it locally, had to get get it from overseas. That is still true for 3mg tablets but you can buy 2mg from the chemist now but they are prescription. I think restavit are best as long as you haven't taken any sedating antihistamines recently. I seem to get a tolerance to them immediatly. So they work great for 1 night sleep only, then maybe have to wait about 3 or 4 nights for it to work again.
 
Not OTC:
Melatonin (actually illegal I hear, although it fucking shouldn't be)
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Correct, it's a prescription only drug here. You can get homeopathic formulations from the vitamins section, but fuck homeopathy.

^ Usually a script will be cheaper than buying OTC - your doc was doing you a favour
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Periactin is cheap as chips as it is, but if the poster had a concession card and the doctor wrote it as a PBS script they would have saved a dollar or two. I like Periactin, it's good value for money. :)
 
Periactin is an antihistamine? any idea how it compares to phenergan?
i'm a pretty hardcore insomniac, takes a pretty hefty anti-histamine to knock me out...i would like to have something on hand for 'emergencies' though.
 
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