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All binders, fillers, and cuts aside; shouldn't pure Cocaine and pure Ritalin (Methylphenidate) smell similar?
Chemicals which degrade from Cocaine like pure Ecgonine, smell extremely similar to cocaine. These molecules look similar structurally, are composed of the same elements, have extremely similar psychoactive properties and similar pharmacodynamics.
Consequently to all these similarities they also smell similar since our brain interprets the similar molecules and individual atoms (elements: C,N,H,O) which are present in each chemical as similar smells.
WARNING TANGENT ->Which is to say we perceive the different amount of protons, neutrons and electrons around a given nucleus and combinations of such atoms in arrangements of molecules; which are basically slightly different floating electrical signals, that hit our olfactory epithelium and are transmitted and decoded by our brain into a certain smell.
Anyway Methylphenidate is structurally similar to cocaine and shares some common elements meaning they have similar evaporants; chemicals which degrade from or elements which evaporate from the base chemical. All the stable forms of carbon, and combinations of these elements evaporating from the chemicals (cocaine or Methylphenidate); create what we perceive to be similar smells.
Difference from cocaine(atoms) Total
Cocaine- C17H21NO4 C17-C17 = 0 H21-H21 =0 NO4-NO4=0 0
Methylphenidate- C14H19NO2 C17-C14 = 3 H21-H19 =2 NO4-NO2=2 7
Ecgonine- C9H15NO3- C17-C9 = 8 H21-H15 =6 NO4-NO3=1 15
Difference in total amount of elements present 0 <- Important
Difference in the elements needed to create the chemicals 0
I know amphetamine is also structurally similar to Ritalin and Cocaine and shares some of the same elements and similar psychoactive effects and to someone who would ask why it does not also smell similar I would answer :
Difference from cocaine (atoms) Total
C17-C9 = 8 H21-H13 =8 N=1 O=No oxygens 20
Difference in elements needed for chemical 1
Cocaine- C17H21NO4
Amphetamine- C9H13N
And in short: they share common elements but not all the elements are common to the two chemicals
With the biggest difference being the lack of any Nitrogen bonded to any oxygen and no oxygen molecules in general.
This is also why Rotten eggs and farts; which contain (Hydrogen sulfide), smell like burning Sulfur (burning sulfur releases Sulfur dioxide) Sulfur itself is oderless meaning no chemoreceptors detect the Sulfur S molecule, although a sulfur molecule bonded to another chemical say hydrogen gives off a similar smell to that of a Sulfur molecule bonded to an Oxygen molecule.
Hydrogen sulfide- H2S -> 2 hydrogen bonded to one Sulfur
Sulfur dioxide- SO2 -> 2 oxygen bonded to one Sulfur
Zero difference in total amount of atoms
Zero difference in total amount of elements present
One difference in the elements needed to create chemicals
So theres my Thesis, supporting information opposing argument and rebuttal to that particular objection with my conclusion being:
The two chemicals Cocaine and Methylphenidate truly do smell similar. Although not extremely similar, it is distinguishably similar none the less. I believe that not only are the elements and amount of atoms important in the similarity of smells, but having similar chemical structure, and pharmacological effects (if applicable) contribute to a similar smell as well. If all factors are similar you can make the conclusion they likely smell alike.
Side Notes:
Ritalin also sometimes for me has a numbing effect post insuffilation during the drip. Although I agree this is strange and possibly a placebo, since I have not heard of Methylphenidate having anesthetic numbing properties; it none the less feels and tastes like coke on the drip.
I have however heard reports of freebase methylphenidate; which is baking soda mixed with Ritalin and water which is then dried and smoked, giving a numbing of the lips effect like crack. But never when gummed.
IMO Ritalin does not smell as good as cocaine; I think this is accounted for by the fact that Ritalin is synthetic and man made. Why Sucralose (splenda); a synthetic sweetener, smells and tastes like weird sucrose (sugar) [ITS CHLORINATED] NO WONDER WHY.
I really spent a lot of time on this; too much time
...thanks to curiosity and Ritalin
Hope this is somewhat interesting, I have never heard of anyone making a comparison of the smells of the 2 very similar drugs, and would love input on the information, ideas work and the readability (organization). And as my first cracked out in-depth bluelight report - IHOPE I GET AN A
Chemicals which degrade from Cocaine like pure Ecgonine, smell extremely similar to cocaine. These molecules look similar structurally, are composed of the same elements, have extremely similar psychoactive properties and similar pharmacodynamics.
Consequently to all these similarities they also smell similar since our brain interprets the similar molecules and individual atoms (elements: C,N,H,O) which are present in each chemical as similar smells.
WARNING TANGENT ->Which is to say we perceive the different amount of protons, neutrons and electrons around a given nucleus and combinations of such atoms in arrangements of molecules; which are basically slightly different floating electrical signals, that hit our olfactory epithelium and are transmitted and decoded by our brain into a certain smell.
Anyway Methylphenidate is structurally similar to cocaine and shares some common elements meaning they have similar evaporants; chemicals which degrade from or elements which evaporate from the base chemical. All the stable forms of carbon, and combinations of these elements evaporating from the chemicals (cocaine or Methylphenidate); create what we perceive to be similar smells.
Difference from cocaine(atoms) Total
Cocaine- C17H21NO4 C17-C17 = 0 H21-H21 =0 NO4-NO4=0 0
Methylphenidate- C14H19NO2 C17-C14 = 3 H21-H19 =2 NO4-NO2=2 7
Ecgonine- C9H15NO3- C17-C9 = 8 H21-H15 =6 NO4-NO3=1 15
Difference in total amount of elements present 0 <- Important
Difference in the elements needed to create the chemicals 0
I know amphetamine is also structurally similar to Ritalin and Cocaine and shares some of the same elements and similar psychoactive effects and to someone who would ask why it does not also smell similar I would answer :
Difference from cocaine (atoms) Total
C17-C9 = 8 H21-H13 =8 N=1 O=No oxygens 20
Difference in elements needed for chemical 1
Cocaine- C17H21NO4
Amphetamine- C9H13N
And in short: they share common elements but not all the elements are common to the two chemicals
With the biggest difference being the lack of any Nitrogen bonded to any oxygen and no oxygen molecules in general.
This is also why Rotten eggs and farts; which contain (Hydrogen sulfide), smell like burning Sulfur (burning sulfur releases Sulfur dioxide) Sulfur itself is oderless meaning no chemoreceptors detect the Sulfur S molecule, although a sulfur molecule bonded to another chemical say hydrogen gives off a similar smell to that of a Sulfur molecule bonded to an Oxygen molecule.
Hydrogen sulfide- H2S -> 2 hydrogen bonded to one Sulfur
Sulfur dioxide- SO2 -> 2 oxygen bonded to one Sulfur
Zero difference in total amount of atoms
Zero difference in total amount of elements present
One difference in the elements needed to create chemicals
So theres my Thesis, supporting information opposing argument and rebuttal to that particular objection with my conclusion being:
The two chemicals Cocaine and Methylphenidate truly do smell similar. Although not extremely similar, it is distinguishably similar none the less. I believe that not only are the elements and amount of atoms important in the similarity of smells, but having similar chemical structure, and pharmacological effects (if applicable) contribute to a similar smell as well. If all factors are similar you can make the conclusion they likely smell alike.
Side Notes:
Ritalin also sometimes for me has a numbing effect post insuffilation during the drip. Although I agree this is strange and possibly a placebo, since I have not heard of Methylphenidate having anesthetic numbing properties; it none the less feels and tastes like coke on the drip.
I have however heard reports of freebase methylphenidate; which is baking soda mixed with Ritalin and water which is then dried and smoked, giving a numbing of the lips effect like crack. But never when gummed.
IMO Ritalin does not smell as good as cocaine; I think this is accounted for by the fact that Ritalin is synthetic and man made. Why Sucralose (splenda); a synthetic sweetener, smells and tastes like weird sucrose (sugar) [ITS CHLORINATED] NO WONDER WHY.
I really spent a lot of time on this; too much time
...thanks to curiosity and Ritalin Hope this is somewhat interesting, I have never heard of anyone making a comparison of the smells of the 2 very similar drugs, and would love input on the information, ideas work and the readability (organization). And as my first cracked out in-depth bluelight report - IHOPE I GET AN A
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