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RCs Clonazolam (Clonitrazolam)

@pjd555 I must admit some of that is over my head, but I'd be interested to hear you elaborate on the statement that etizolam tolerance is 'less burdensome' - by this do you mean tolerance builds slower than with most other benzos? Or that despite tolerance it remains an effective clinical treatment? I'm only asking out of idle curiosity.

Interesting that Clonazapam is not affective for anxiety, but epilepsy. Come to think, I only know one person who has a script for Clonazapam, and she is indeed epileptic.

Although I agree that clonazalam is a super-powerful benzo, do you mean it is an 'accident waiting to happen' once people start getting hold of the power? Because in pill form they are dosed intentionally low (although half a milligram is still a powerful dose). I can see that if someone were to put out 2mg pills that would be a problem, but how likely is that? Or do you feel that 0.5mg pills contain too high a dose and it would be safer to put out weaker ones?

Please don't see this as a challenge to your position, I just find your post interesting and I'd like to know a bit more. In general though, I think I do see where you're coming from - this is easily the most powerful benzo I've tried and that alone makes it potentially hazardous in terms of causing blackouts or accidents relating to reduced coordination.
 
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Clonazepam is not a drug for treating anxiety and its licence in the UK does not include its use in the treatment of anxiety disorders. I prescribe it, rarely and sparingly, for epilepsy and certain idiopathic non-convulsive epileptiform disorders and epilepticus states of those disorders. There are some off licence conditions I can prescribe it for but only in small doses. Also, tolerance to etizolam is less burdensome than most benzos. Clonazolam with its sub-milligram action is an accident waiting to happen.

Interesting that it's not prescribed for anxiety. I know Clonazolam is a different substance but I've found that 1 x 0.5 capsule has eliminated all anxiety with myself throughout the entire day.

I am concerned with my daily use but I have found it so useful it's difficult finding reasons not to stop, apart from the risk of some savage future withdrawal or shocking levels of tolerance developing.
 
Interesting that it's not prescribed for anxiety. I know Clonazolam is a different substance but I've found that 1 x 0.5 capsule has eliminated all anxiety with myself throughout the entire day.

I am concerned with my daily use but I have found it so useful it's difficult finding reasons not to stop, apart from the risk of some savage future withdrawal or shocking levels of tolerance developing.

I too experienced anti-anxiety effects from this compound, but I did find that the muscle relaxant and hypnotic effects were more dominant. However, I did take three times as much as you so it's not a fair comparison.
 
@pjd555 I must admit some of that is over my head, but I'd be interested to hear you elaborate on the statement that etizolam tolerance is 'less burdensome' - by this do you mean tolerance builds slower than with most other benzos? Or that despite tolerance it remains an effective clinical treatment? I'm only asking out of idle curiosity.

Interesting that Clonazapam is not affective for anxiety, but epilepsy. Come to think, I only know one person who has a script for Clonazapam, and she is indeed epileptic.

Although I agree that clonazalam is a super-powerful benzo, do you mean it is an 'accident waiting to happen' once people start getting hold of the power? Because in pill form they are dosed intentionally low (although half a milligram is still a powerful dose). I can see that if someone were to put out 2mg pills that would be a problem, but how likely is that? Or do you feel that 0.5mg pills contain too high a dose and it would be safer to put out weaker ones?

Please don't see this as a challenge to your position, I just find your post interesting and I'd like to know a bit more. In general though, I think I do see where you're coming from - this is easily the most powerful benzo I've tried and that alone makes it potentially hazardous in terms of causing blackouts or accidents relating to reduced coordination.

The problem with clonazepam is not that it isn't effective as an anti-anxiety medication but that it has one of the worst addiction ramp times of the benzo groups. Most anxiety disorders are a symptomatic expression of an underlying condition or a perfectly normal situational response. In the 21st century anything but short term use of benzodiazepines to provide symptomatic relief for anxiety is almost impossible to justify. If a man has a broken leg morphine will provide symptomatic relief for the pain but no matter how much is administered, in the absence of other treatment, he will still have a broken leg. The same applies to most types of anxiety disorder and current guidance is that benzodiazepines should not be prescribed for generalised anxiety disorder. They do nothing to treat the cause of the anxiety. If the profile of clonazolam is even close to clonazepam talk of solutions with x mg per ml is going to create a lot of addicts very quickly.

As for etizolam it does appear to have a tolerance profile which is different to benzodiazepines in that q tolerance ceiling appears which is sometimes followed by a drop in tolerance which with further use can lead to another higher tolerance ceiling and so on. People get addicted less quickly but that pattern has dangers which are not acceptable and, in any event, it seems to be a pretty pointless drug because of its very wide receptor action. It's a very blunt instrument and I can see why most countries don't see why it should be considered for inclusion in prescription formularies when there are plenty of other drugs available with narrower activity and a more well understood chemistry.
 
Clonazepam is not a drug for treating anxiety and its licence in the UK does not include its use in the treatment of anxiety disorders. I prescribe it, rarely and sparingly, for epilepsy and certain idiopathic non-convulsive epileptiform disorders and epilepticus states of those disorders. There are some off licence conditions I can prescribe it for but only in small doses. Also, tolerance to etizolam is less burdensome than most benzos. Clonazolam with its sub-milligram action is an accident waiting to happen.

It is such in some countries, but in most countries clonazepam is used for anxiety. Hell, it is only used for anxiety here (seen way more people with scripts for anxiety or insomnia than seizure medication, I don't know anybody who has a neurological problem, only I did, which I explain later), I know it is used in neurology, but clonazepam is indeed used for GAD due to its long half life. Stop talking out of your ass. Maybe only Scandinavian countries use it only as a seizure medication (I know for sure it is the case, yet they have yummy ketobemidone pills).

Clonazolam, sold in the way it is, as 0.5mg gelcaps is NOT an accident waiting to happen. You'd need to eat a good handful of these to...end up sleeping a lot? This isn't phenazepam kemosabe. Is clonazepam with its submilligram action am accident waiting to happen,?, rhetorical question, of course MANY people who are scripted it have done dumb things because of it, mostly at the beginning of treatment or if used for fun one night only (and what about those 0.5mg and 0.25mg doses?, the 0.5mg orange ones being the most often scripted for anxiety of the bunch, 0.5mg bid in fact).

I doubt you are a doctor, anywhere, if you do not know clonazepam is indicated for anxiety disorders ALSO.

And I say that as somebody who was scripted clonazepam in the ER for a month with a referral to a neurologist because of what was a case of HPPD (also an indication for Clonazepam). When I told the neurologist it also took care of my anxiety issues, he said, well psychiatrists use this too, so you're only going to use one med for 2 problems, the less meds the better. And I left with a script of 0.5mg three times a day

As for your declaration that clonazolam is the most powerful benzo you've ever tried....i'd trade all the clonazolam 0.5mg gelcaps I have (about 30 left) for 10 temazepam 30mg. I mean jesus, this is close to the holy grail but isn't.

Clonazepam, and later Diazepam when I tapered away my ramping up dose (you are right, there, it's not as bad as xanax in that aspect though...), have helped me put the brakes on my overactive imagination and constant thinking of all possibilities at once. It gave me a pause, a long needed pause in my life, and yes, my psydoc and neurologist are alright with me being on benzos (now a low dose of 20mg of valium a day). I've discovered a lot of ways to calm myself down naturally, having my brain stop running away in a vicious circle of anxiety causing anxiety causing anxiety that spirals out of control, I was one of those rare cases where benzo use for long term was needed. I've seen the most respected doctors say that there was nothing wrong with someone being on a low dose of benzodiazepines for life, if some people are to be on SSRI's/SNRI's or atypical antipsychotics for life. I've identified and eliminated thanks to clonazepam and diazepam my social anxiety fears, which I've worked with on my own, through thinking, reading. I don't need a paid for whore of a friend called a stinkin' psychologist, that is for sure.

Now I still need benzos because of things that I know, that deeply disturb me, and that I cannot do anything about. Things I can't do anything about that terrorize me. So, yeah, your judgment of others' scriptage and doctors is very unwelcome to read here. I bet you don't believe anybody can be a case like me where benzos are needed round the clock. Since my psychiatrist knows the dosage I am at is mostly fine with me, and that my memory is much better than when he tapered me away from the 3.5mg of clonazepam I was at daily to the 20mg of valium (a drop of 66% in benzodiazepine gaba subcomplex stimulation), my life has turned for the better. But I needed to get to those 3.5mg of clonazepam a day, one 2mg as I woke up, and 3/4 of a 2mg at bed time. I was in a life situation that was so shitty it was the only thing preventing me from comitting suicide. It didn't last long either, but I'm glad you're a neurologist and not a psychiatrist. By the way, the official Rivotril instructions say it can be used up to 20mg a day for seizure disorders. That's right, keep the clonazepam low, pump 'em full of depakote or bullshit of that kind.
 
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I am not against the use of benzodiazepine drugs in specific instances. To say that clonazepam is only used for anxiety in Canada is a shrinking truth. At its peak 95% of prescriptions were off-label. Current guidelines simply include it in the list of benzodiazepines suitable for use as adjunctive therapy in the early phase of treatment. Guidelines in Canada state that benzos should be used at regularly dosed intervals for a short period of time and not used on an as needed basis. Roche do not market Rivotril as an anxiolytic and, as in many countries, its use as such is in decline.

http://www.rochecanada.com/fmfiles/...ndPublicAdvisories/Rivotril/Rivotril_PM_E.pdf
 
As for your declaration that clonazolam is the most powerful benzo you've ever tried....

I would like to point out that I have never made that statement and have never used clonazolam.
 
Americans love their K-Pins too much and it's really even more of a truth that it is almost exclusively used for anxiety or insomnia in that country.

Also, "Adjunct to treatment in the early phase", to what, the poisons called SSRI's and SNRI's with their manic induction, suicidal ideation, worsening of the situation side effects? I'd rather not have it ever and keep my feelings, too, the normal ones, when not anxious.

This female friend of mine, she's on Cymbalta, 90mg too, experimental dosages everywhere! And of course, her doctor didn't script her a goddamn TCA that probably works just the same, but nah, her Cymbalta pencil and prescription pad with prepared scripts where only a name needs to be added did the job for her, of course. And maybe it has to do with the fact that Cymbalta is the ONLY antidepressant in Canada that's still under patent, gotta make some money and not help cure, yeahhhh! Experimental dosages too, 60mg my ass, lets give her more, it's gonna bring in more cash, 200+ dollars a month for a fucking script is abnormal here, is what I can say. Even if her job pays back 80% to her later, she gotta pay for it already, and.....well you should see her. No cares, no fucks given about anything, there could be nukes falling in the country and she would be like "meh". That's what your wonderful antidepressants do, it creates zombies out of people.

Cannot say the same thing for the demonized benzos. Certain benzos help you sleep when taken as needed, like temazepam, nitrazepam, flurazepam when you got a big day at work the next day or very difficult exams that are life altering if you pass them or not the next day. The rest is real anxiety medication, and the addictivenessof them is overblown, since the "Discontinuation Syndrome" (LMFAO), talk about an euphemism. I know somebody who tried to kill themselves over 5 times now because of the brain zaps after stopping Zoloft. Know what she's taking daily now to feel better? Lorazepam 2mg as needed.

Seriously, you sicken me, get out of my bluelight.
 
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SSRIs are certainly no magic cure for depresssion. On the other hand, so are benzodiazepines.

If you exchange anxiety with a drug addiction, you move problems, but you don't solve them. And one could argue that benzodiazepine withdrawal is worse than SSRi withdrawals (excuse me pharma companies, of course I meant "discontinuation syndrome"). Both are manageable with a proper tapering though.
 
Hey man, I did mention how benzos helped me pump the brakes on that crazy brain of mine going way too fast. It did help me think things through that I could change in my life, something that couldn't have happened due to HPPD and a kind of weird condition caused by 2 surprise DOB hits in 2001 (I know for sure it was DOB, the guys arrested at the top of the DOB distribution chain were all arrested and it was on TV just a couple months after this). Had it been LSD I would have been fine. I'm kinda sick of repeating this story around here, although I understand not everyone has been here as long as me. And then I also got HPPD from smoking weed after the bad HORRIBLY SICKENING 32 hours of that DOB bad trip I endured, trying to find friends to go to but it was a week day, I skipped college when I took the dose on "saturday" night at 12:30 am, so Sunday, so yeah.

We all know of certain people who need benzos for a long time, if not life, for as required as it is kind of strange how some of the eureka moments came out of nowhere, because my brain wasn't reeling from GAD/SAD/Panic Attacks constantly, add insomnia recognized since childhood (5 years old), made worse by a earthquake in 1988 when I was in grade 2. A 6.4 in a zone of Canada that normally never gets earthquakes, hitting at 8h45pm. I remember my finger cracking tick (which would devolve into all kinds of joints cracking, including, back, hips, jaw) as I got older as it seemed to relieve a pressure that built inside of me a few mere seconds after the cracking. Apparently it does release endorphins to do, but if you could see all the ways I can crack my fingers, you'd be like what the fuck...A neurotic mess, made worse by my parents starting to hate each other when I was 10 who threw shit at each other and I guess if he didn't have kids (me and my brother), he would have killed my mom. The throwing her into walls etc.

Made for another self-hating male with insomnia who worked his crazy ass off in the canadian winter being a delivery boy with 2 runs, mostly cos I could buy beer in the weekends, if you're Canadian, you'll know that it's easy to buy it at 15 years old, but buying a pack of cigs, will get you carded at 30 years old (and the stores politics is if you look 25 and less to be carded, which is still an infrigment of the canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom) but anyway.

I just hate people who go around telling others benzo bad, ssri treatment good, that's not harm reduction in the slightest. It's just corporate whorism. I know all about benzo withdrawal, the trick is just, not to lack benzos. If you lose your SSRI's or use more than the doc prescribed (wouldnt know why one would do that, but lets say other more "fun" antidepressants or antipsychotics (Nozinan) like Manerix, Remeron, Nozinan, you won't have trouble if you try to refill 14 days early, or have to tell long ass stories about how your job (which was true for a while, required you to go pretty far because I was working for WIS, an inventory company, where they pack you in a 15 places van and you go and take inventory of the store with your little machine. Once they refused to give me my script of valium in advance, had to have my fucking boss call in. But that's the pharmacy where I'm at now that is stupid like this, I'd change chain, but right now it's the closest to me, and I was forced to switch to it when I was put on methadone, not all places offer the methadone in juice thing, and the methadone 40mg biscuits are long gone here too, there's still the Metadol pills for pain which I can't know why the fuck they won't use instead (1,5,10,25mg pills, seems perfect for dosing someone in not-so-round dosages when going down doses, say 47mg), from what I know, technicians who fill those bottles at night love to put less methadone in them than they should because they hate the methadone junkies. Suboxone is less of an hassle, except the way it works is the same as methadone here, 6 takehomes max blah blah blah.

All this when I know for sure they got a "trip" code, meaning somebody won't be around to renew, and if you renew your benzo script in another pharmacy, it gets permanently transfered there, it's the law. Like how you can't even have a painkiller script moved from a pharmacy to another and need a new script.

Basically, being treated like scum because of benzos, which I was a daily user of, way before I slipped and fell into the opiate crack, which is the fault of my dental specialist who had me on a codeine contin 150mg and the last 2 months, the 200mg ones+ IR codeine+apap pills round the clock treatment for my TMJ disorder and trigeminal nerve damage in the same area retiring, getting my dossier from the clinic and trying to meet other doctors with that specialty, there are 2. After getting help with a phone script for some goddamn not empracets but Tylenol 3, can't have a real Empracet script through the phone, had to have the added caffeine which made it do nothing at all as I was so preoccupied with the tachycardia. So I called him back one more time for an appointment and some of these damn things meanwhile, and he started to get mad that I wanted another favour so much he effin hung up on me.

4 years of being told it was all in my head after this (when duh, it is indeed in my head where the problem is, left jaw articulation particularly and trigeminal nerves junction before it goes under the bones is where the problem was situatied. Treated like shit 95% of the time, or when I did score opiates, it was at the ER, one bottle, no refill, no paper to meet a specialist, I'd be willing to go into another city, since the other maxilofacial dentists are such douchebags in my own. That, also, grinds one's nerves, a shitload, not to be believed, when the secretary of the clinic I used to go to (which is now just a normal dentist office) could all tell them what was wrong with me, but no, asked for x-rays, CT's. Finally got an MRI, but I was on methadone then, too late.

Blah blah blah, at least it's a real human story, not somebody who's claiming a benzodiazepine isn't used for anxiety, when it is, a hell lot.You know what benzo is used ONLY in neurology, I've seen it said to be used for anxiety....maybe in children, but Frisium aka Clobazam, is what this Neurologist dude should use for seizures. Frisium has almost no abuse profile too.
 
Will you please stop making up out and out lies about what I have said. I have not once said that any particular benzodiazepine is not used for anxiety. You do not have even the tiniest bit of self-awareness to realise that your incoherent ramblings in response to rational, evidence-based posts are quite possibly symptomatic of a troubling psychiatric condition. Your comments about the difference between two Co-Codamol / acetaminophen-codeine compound analgesics are simply baffling. Empracet Codeine 3 and Tylenol 3 are the same compound paracetamol (only North America, Japan and Columbia stubbornly stick to calling it acetaminophen) analgesic sold under different brand names. The Canadian variant of Tylenol 3 contains 15mg of caffeine which is well below any known useful threshold as an adjuvant in a compound analgesic and is probably there to piss off people cold extracting the codeine. At that level it certainly should not be causing tachycardia in patients without an underlying heart condition and I'm having difficulty imagining such a condition which wouldn't also be complicated by 240mg of codeine per day.
 
I have just noticed your comment about tricyclics. They have their uses but giving depressed people pills which can be fatally toxic with extraordinarily small increase in dosage is something I would rather avoid if at all possible.
 
Will you please stop making up out and out lies about what I have said. I have not once said that any particular benzodiazepine is not used for anxiety. You do not have even the tiniest bit of self-awareness to realise that your incoherent ramblings in response to rational, evidence-based posts are quite possibly symptomatic of a troubling psychiatric condition. Your comments about the difference between two Co-Codamol / acetaminophen-codeine compound analgesics are simply baffling. Empracet Codeine 3 and Tylenol 3 are the same compound paracetamol (only North America, Japan and Columbia stubbornly stick to calling it acetaminophen) analgesic sold under different brand names. The Canadian variant of Tylenol 3 contains 15mg of caffeine which is well below any known useful threshold as an adjuvant in a compound analgesic and is probably there to piss off people cold extracting the codeine. At that level it certainly should not be causing tachycardia in patients without an underlying heart condition and I'm having difficulty imagining such a condition which wouldn't also be complicated by 240mg of codeine per day.

This has nothing to do with what I wanted you to talk about, what is related to what started the discussion. Frisium for seizures, Frisium, the only benzo used exclusively in neurology, and for good reason, it has no good anxiolytic uses.

Empracets do not contain caffeine, it is widely used, too. That's why they are not Tylenol #3. I had never ever ever seen Tylenol #3 (and anyway it was generic Ratio Pharm Lenoltecs 3, the same as the OTC 8mg #1's but with 30mg anyway, never ever used, except for phone scripts, it seems) which I got from another Maxillofacial Dentist through a phone script after explaining my situation where Dr.Brassard fuckin left me out in the cold when retiring, couldn't commute to that other guy's office which is very far inside my town, one would absolutely need to drive for 50 minutes to get there,didn't have a car then, was still one poor student, and it was just a general comment on a how the medical system is all politics and not much logic, nothing about benzos, which please stick to).When I had treatment, my maxilofacial dentist used Codeine Contins 150mg bid and Empracets 60/300x4 a day for me, so a hell lot of codeine in a day. I was suffering as much as someone scripted MS IR/Statex 10mg 2-3 times a day when withdrawing, maybe more, I dunno, it's all relative and hard to quantify and you know that. I don't know what it is that I said that was baffling about pills i've used for 2 years of treatment before the goddamn specialist retired on me leaving me in the cold reality of one hell of a detox. I was under such a regimen because he didn't want to perform surgery, saying there was 4% chances he could leave me with my left eye impossible to close due to all the nerves that are in the area. Now, please bitch, troll elsewhere. Clobazam is for neurology only, Frisium bitch!

Now back to clonazolam talk, I'm sorry guys, this wannabe doctor needed his ass whooped'.
 
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I honestly have no idea how to respond to your posts. I was discussing why clonazolam tablets and powder being widely available worries me. For some reason that led to a tirade of abuse. People have differences of opinion on many matters but in this case I have no idea what opinion on what matter has elicited the responses fro you.
 
Your gatekeeper attitude to benzodiazepines. You seem startled to encounter libertarian thought around here. I bet you think pharmacists are awesome and totally needed, when a fax machine+computer could do the same job, remove their ugly building and give it back to nature and eliminate the whole profession. You just can't wait for all of these available online to disappear so that depending on your location, you will maybe have some new patients running to any doctor, not you, they don't care about you, you're just a cog in the machine so you can put them on a too short valium or librium taper,going down 25 to 50% increments when changing dose, triviliaze their need for benzos, recommend SSRI's and well, thankfully I think you aren't american because the negative qualifiers would continue to rain.

Clonazolam has been around longer than phenazepam back then when all the disasters it caused happened. Vendors wised up, customers wised up, researchers have wised up mostly (not distributing in powder only). To me this stuff is a life saver as I am underdosed. So are many other benzo users who have been given the greenlight for long term treatment a long time ago.
 
You need to understand in today's world the fact that the majority of so-called professionals accept something doesn't make it good or effective. I'm wondering what triggers all the anxiety in people who then desperately need anxiolytics like benzodiazepines. Isn't it the culture we live in? Obviously it's hard to treat anxiety if the problem that triggered it is still there and will be there as long as this circus called "democracy and freedom" goes on. Yet there's absolutely nothing that can justify using benzodiazepines for "treating" anxiety disorders like social anxiety for instance. I've got no idea what in pjd555's posts made you so angry. You accidentally took DOB which you had thought was LSD for the same reason doctors are prescribing way too much benzodiazepines and antidepressants. Money.
 
There were issues before the DOB as LSD incident, but yeah, it sure did not help. I was scripted Seconal and Placidyl in tiny quantities before life altering in importance exams in the early 2000's, but Seconal was removed in 2004 and Placidyl in 2006. For some reason I find these things to be more fit to use as needed than any benzo for sleep (my insomnia since childhood issue). I guess I was a bit mad. These 2 songs are basically what I'm all about since a couple years :


Lagwagon - No Little Pill


I'm fully aware it would be a lot better to not have to use. Anyway, back to the topic people.

I still think benzos should be served with no scripts like in some eastern european countries and Thailand. If alcohol can be sold freely, so should they.

Not only the lyrics of that Lagwagon song do I find powerful, but there's this one too that's more of a bridge in relation to what you said to me, I'll just post in the lyrics though :

Kreator - Material World Paranoia (1990)(!)

[SOLO - FRANK]

Dehumanization through industrialization
Bring fear to the masses of reincarnation
Manic frustration deterioration
Nature fights back for its own preservation

Concrete coffin breeds lunacy
Cold steel skeleton
Desperation in the factory
Crank out oblivion

Material world paranoia
Corporations rule the earth
Material world paranoia
Enslavery begins at birth

Power's illusion brings global confusion
A forgone conclusion of mind's evolution
Nature's destruction through massive production
A blatant example of mindless construction

Concrete coffin breeds lunacy
Cold steel skeleton
Desperation in the factory
Crank out oblivion

Material world paranoia

Don't dream about how life can be
Experience your dreams
Before this prefab culture wastes your life
Stay on the straight and narrow course
Material wealth is yours
But the promise of a better future is a lie

[SOLO - MILLE]

The promise of a better future is nothing but a lie
 
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So, to be on topic. Eating grapefruit REALLY boosts this one. Makes the Valium boost a joke. I'd say on par with Xanax on how much it strengthens it, but this is better since it lasts longer and there's no need to redose as fast.

Sometimes, I'm thinking of finding a doc who would put me on Flurazepam for insomnia, I'd be good all day. The few times I've had Dalmane 30mg gelcaps, I didn't feel like taking anything during the day, a friend's mom who's pretty cool is scripted 30 of the 30mg gelcaps a month and sometimes she's given me some sometimes just mentioning I had trouble sleeping, she put like 10-12 in my hands. This stuff lasts long as fuck.

And it's actually a partial BZD agonist, long duration...could this be the suboxone of benzos? Although I felt heavy for 14 hours even with my current 20mg valium a day tolerance from a couple 30mg gels before bed.
 
You need to understand in today's world the fact that the majority of so-called professionals accept something doesn't make it good or effective. I'm wondering what triggers all the anxiety in people who then desperately need anxiolytics like benzodiazepines. Isn't it the culture we live in? Obviously it's hard to treat anxiety if the problem that triggered it is still there and will be there as long as this circus called "democracy and freedom" goes on. Yet there's absolutely nothing that can justify using benzodiazepines for "treating" anxiety disorders like social anxiety for instance.

I agree with most of what you're saying here. Essentially problems such as anxiety, depression and lack of attention / hyper-attention are medicated because these are issues which stop people being "productive" within society (stop people going to work). The fact that so many people suffer from these problems it itself shows that these are not individual problems we are all experiencing, they are a shared problem we all have due to the way society is structured, and no matter how many pills we shove down our throats these problems will never disappear because after the drugs wear off society is still enforcing this pressure on you.

However, even though I am aware of this, I am also aware that these substances do perform a function. Saying "there's absolutely nothing that can justify using benzodiazepines for "treating" anxiety disorders like social anxiety" isn't true because they clearly do help people in these situations. They aren't a cure, because that would require a radical change in the way society is structured (which I am all for btw), but they do serve a purpose.
 
Your gatekeeper attitude to benzodiazepines. You seem startled to encounter libertarian thought around here. I bet you think pharmacists are awesome and totally needed, when a fax machine+computer could do the same job, remove their ugly building and give it back to nature and eliminate the whole profession. You just can't wait for all of these available online to disappear so that depending on your location, you will maybe have some new patients running to any doctor, not you, they don't care about you, you're just a cog in the machine so you can put them on a too short valium or librium taper,going down 25 to 50% increments when changing dose, triviliaze their need for benzos, recommend SSRI's and well, thankfully I think you aren't american because the negative qualifiers would continue to rain.

Clonazolam has been around longer than phenazepam back then when all the disasters it caused happened. Vendors wised up, customers wised up, researchers have wised up mostly (not distributing in powder only). To me this stuff is a life saver as I am underdosed. So are many other benzo users who have been given the greenlight for long term treatment a long time ago.

Obviously, I am a gatekeeper but that applies across the board for all things including ingrown toenails. When it comes to drug addicts I believe that addicts cannot be forced to give up and I should be able to be the supplier of their drug of choice because then, at least, I know the quality of the drug they are getting, retain a relationship with the patient and keep them out of the criminal justice system. I think it absurd that that being caught in possession of a bottle of whiskey is not a crime but with heroin, coke and many other drugs it is. It is scientifically illiterate and criminalising decent people whose drug of choice is not alcohol or nicotine is an affront to society.

It is true that I worry about street drugs of unknown quality and dose. I don't want to create more addicts because I see what the stigma of addiction does to people and the harm done to third parties by the actions of some addicts who commit crimes to support their addiction.

I want to help addicts, not demonise them or force them into treatment programmes which never work unless the addict wants them to work. I despise 12 step approaches which seem to be respected when all the evidence suggests that doing nothing yields better results.

I have a perfect right to be worried about the wide availability of drugs like clonazolam, particularly in powder form which invites eyeballing because I see the effects on people that state of affairs creates.
 
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