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Opioids Canadian Opioid Users

Might be time to bite the bullet and go on ORT. But please, don't make the error of staying on it more than 3 months. Ottawa is pretty calm boring city, maybe drive the bridge to Gatineau, you could have more chances of finding HMContins there, that's for sure. Quebec is flooded with HMContins.
 
Glad to I found this! Out here in van we got everything... amazing down, grey 100 mg morphines, 8 mg dillys....its junkie paradise here!!!

I would love to hear more about toronto scene...never had the pleasure!
 
4mg brand name dilaudid (compared to pms and whatnot) was my favourite thing in the world, I only had 11 brand name triangle shaped white 8's back when I was a chipper who would restrain his opiate use to friday to sundays. I know you got your untainted by fent H though. Not that I care. I was able to reset everything, I'd just want Dilaudid 4's and HMContins 24-30mg everywhere. For some reason I really enjoyed the yellow tint of the pill in the syringe. And after using a good Securicup filter, there would be zero gunk left in the cup, unlike generics. D4's man, D4's everywhere. Sure the 8mg looks cooler but I saw people and they always had the PMS ones, it's less of an issue (the gunk) with the 8's and even the 4's kinda. It's when you get generic 2's and 1's...that sucks big time even if you have a lot of em for dirt cheap, you need to do multiple filtering, if you ever crushed 4 1mg generic dilaudid in a securicup (I'd use my lighter to crush the pills on a sheet of paper, and then carefully funnel the powder into the cup. Gah, the ritual itself was as much fun as when you were ready. The best shots were always when I'd spend the night on Dexedrine coding and learning Linux (I had one hell of a crash course into Linux with my then Dexedrine IR and Spansules script (20mg spansules in the morning, 5mg IR x2 at 3-4pm, but I just took it when I needed it). Anyway when that speed crash happened and where you're depressed beyond depressed, I'd let it languish as long as mentally possible and then crush a couple 4's and do a shot. That was fucking heaven.

I can't wait to get off bupe and get my GP's promised Oxycodone-CR 60 (generic oxy) script for my proven pain issues.
 
as a white 30 year old male with a bit of a drug/criminal history... even with a legit injury, Drs wont even discuss pain meds. "my arm hurts so much after the accident I sit on the couch and cry" DR: take tylenol.

fucking doubled my monthly weed budget just so i can get stoned enough to sleep
 
Well that's your problem. Literally, make a change. At least the most teetotal doctors here would script you an NSAID. Say what you want but some not-so advertised NSAIDs like Meloxicam (I take it sometimes for jaw or knee pain) which is available as generic (I think it's called Mobic in the US, it's Mobicox here but nobody buys the brand name unless thats what was written on the script and your insurance takes it). It's uber cheap too. Then if you're willing to describe how you've been doing PT-like exercises for whatever hurts you, uses compresses and all that shit and take your NSAID, they will normally try something different. Here getting Empracets 30mg/300mg (codeine/tylenol) with a NSAID is very common, the Empracets usually only for a month, but still, it does the trick, no need to CWE them, its useless to go over 400, I say 270mg of codeine when having no tolerance except for a natural tolerance to opiates, which was an issue for me, does the trick.

They don't really like Tramadol here, it's only offered as Tramacet (with tylenol) or as that extended release Zytram XL. But I know in America they throw it at everybody, and it's like 1/3 of people react to it like they would a good dose of codeine or morphine. Not me though, the time I asked for Tramacet since I read about it and it said that it was a lot less addictive, I started feeling Bipolar feelings (I'm Bipolar I with very long cycling, but I can't take SSRI's/SNRI's, sends me into mania). so I walked back to the hospital in a snowstorm (it was when I was still in college practically living in an apartment right in front of the college so I had no car) to have it changed back to Empracets. Empracets are like how Vicodins are used in the US, which is strange, because codeine is weaker, they give you something that can get one high with 2 pills, 2 Empracets 30 won't get anyone high, but the antitussive and painkilling effects of the codo are working (a little), I say anything under 90mg of codeine is not worth it. Anyway, so yeah, Purdue came up with CodeineContins here, 50,100,150, 200, docs don't hesitate much with these, Purdue doing the same PR they made with Oxycontin with them.

I was on a C-Contin 200mg every 12 hours with a Percodan 10 years ago, from 06 to 09 then the bastard retired on me. I had my share of denials after that, from my then GP retiring, to the ER's giving me scripts of 5mg Oxy IR, 30 counts, but obviously no refill and going back to the ER all the time, that sets off their alarm and you get educated about how yes, the ER can help in such situations, but not all the time, that th ER was for acute need of a doctor, not for chronic issues, they give out referrals to specialists though, and when they finally referred me to another specialist of the Jaw (Maxilofacial Surgeon Dentists), I had already found a connect for pharms that always had something, much stronger than I had when having treatment. Same for the ORT. My tolerance now is much higher, when the few times I got hurt, the ORT docs told me, if you get really hurt or in any way need painkillers, mention you are on Suboxone, that I would be given Fentanyl instead. And the 2 times, they accepted, after the doctors came to my house both times (yeah, we got a service in town, 6 doctors always on call from 7 to 5) and was given Abstrals, sublingual fent pills, when I realized I needed a 200ug fentanyl sub pill to get high and have it toss away the bupe, I realized I had one hell of a tolerance now. So it's not all rainbows and lollipops (heh, I was told I would get a Fentapop if in a car accident by one of the doctors).

Anyway one advice I can give to people who have trouble getting pain relief, even if it's documented you have X, Y, Z chronic conditions, might as well bite the bullet and make sure you got some opiates in your blood and go on Methadone replacement therapy. Methadone is amazing for pain, just don't go too high in dose, for pain, the highest dosed pills are 25mg, so I say, get something like 35-40mg and do not climb up. If you're willing to deal with the however days needed before you get one takehome and yadayada. Beats being on day 4-5-6-7 of a serious addiction withdrawal. O say don't go higher than around 40mg of methadone because, the higher you go the more likely it's gonna cause you some kind of side effect that becomes itself a disease (I speak from experience and I only went up to 60mg before then going down 2-3mg a month) because of unacceptable side effects. But I gotta say when I read 44mg, I didn't want to switch to Suboxone anymore, but it was kind of too late, the docs encouraged me a lot to switch to that and of course, I didn't see the 2 doctors that are the best with whom I have a great relation with (we get random doctors at our clinics here, they got a team of 8, who aren't just ORT doctors, my favourite doc is a family doc, I wish he was my GP).
 
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There's this drug called heroin, you know. Socialized medicine doesn't cover it (yet? Except experimentally in Vancouver?) but that's the usual recourse for White trash in chronic pain down here once abandoned by the medical system :p

Serious questiom: does the Canadian health system collect/share medical history on prescriptions, substance abuse, etc? I thought generally speaking unlike the UK NHS it was more about reimbursing private doctors, so can't you just get a new one?

Here some, increasingly all, states have some kind of ℞ monitoring program for narcotics, but you can just cross the border; don't imagine that's as practicable or as easy an option for you as it is for us if that's the case.
 
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No parrallel fake universal care like the NHS. Some provinces have programs so that all docs, pharmacies, ER etc. can see your medical dossier for the last 4 years in mine. But when they introduced it, I took a look at the website, and there was a form, that they really did not advertise, to not be part of it. They called me back twice to try to change my mind, I told them no, it's my privacy and a pharmacy doesn't have to see that I have or had scripts elsewhere in the last 4 years, I'm not a baby, I'm a grown man.

3 provinces out of 10 and I had to be in one who tried to get this kind of thing. I fucked those bitches hard. Last time I went to see my GP, he renewed my Bromazepam 6mgx2 script, but since he knows I'm on the government insurance (which is your only choice, I work for a company outside the country and at home, so that's 2 things that make it impossible for me to get a health plan. My mom who's a functionary has a kickass private insurance and it's from her credit union too. So she does not need to be part of the DSQ. My doc has a small printing machine for his scripts and strangely, he never did so with me in the past, wrote in [DSQ] at the end of the script, to try to I don't know, catch me not going to the pharmacy where I usually go to, I've always used 2, but when I had to go on methadone, only another one had the methadone program (the liquid mixed with the orange juice) Metadol brand methadone, same name as the pills which they stupidly refuse to script us, they go up to 25mg, then there's the 10,5 and 1mg, but those are for pain only. I've had a 25mg methadone pill when I was a chipper and it floored me so bad, its a good thing I had nothing else in me. But I digress, when I go to the other closer to home pharmacy, the female pharmacist (female pharmacist are the worst, major ego-power trippers) doesn't say a word to me and plays around her computer and then i start talking to her and after a while I told her, I noticed this DSQ thing on the script, is that the issue? She said yes, I told her, I'm not part of the program, I took myself out of it before it came into place and I filed a form the government offered on the ministry of health website and she was almost mad that I did so, but she said "that's why then, okay I'm preparing your script". I told her it's not even the script sharing network i'm afraid of (which is only active between the 2 largest chains in my province, the other pharmacies, small banners and even, yes, NO BANNER, green cross and that serpent around a spine symbol thing, like that one which is the closest to my home, was where this happened.

I told my doctor I was not part of the DSQ and he asked me why and I said, I don't have to give a reason, it's my own business and the government won't start controlling what stores I can go shop to, I don't doctor shop and you know it so... and he said yeah, I understand, a lot of health professionals signed that form too, no more DSQ at the end of my scripts now.

Afaik, there's still more not-much-reason-for pharm opiate addicts in the US than elsewhere. I'm speaking of persons by 100 000 or that kind of balancing way to count it, because of course you have 300 million more people than us.

Here if you tell your doctor that you're in pain in a foot let's say. He'll examine it, determine if he/she can tell it bone, circulatory, or muscle related. Likely give you an x-ray to go take at the hospital, which you just need to show up before 3pm in my town to get done, so if your appointment was in the morning you can get it done the same day. Last time before I was on ORT, I had a bad bronchitis turned into pneumonia with fever and shit, it took a few times, also telling them that I took care of myself before showing up (tylenol every 4 hours, and because I abused DXM powder so much back in 2001-2002, I have a recorded entry in my local ER that I do not tolerate DXM, at 90mg I start to get teeth clattering and that icky inner sensation I can't describe, and even just taking a regular 30mg dose gives me the shits, real bad, the Sudaded Plus with ibuprofen in it, the Sinus-Rinse (I also had sinusitis at the same time). So the ER scheduled me an appointment with a lung doctor the next day, and he scripted me a better antibiotic, fluoroquinolines are real shit (Avelox), he gave me Cefzil which worked very well, prednisolone regimen where you climb the dose and reduce it back to help you breathe better and a large 12oz Hycodan syrup bottle, because Ulone (an alternative we have to DXM and OTC 3,33mg of codeine per teaspoon syrup..better go with the generic T1's or 222's in that case) which is Clofenadiol, its so rare it didn't have an entry on wikipedia back then in 2010, that stuff also gives me intestinal problems). Told him how coughing was so painful that my whole chest was getting tender to the touch (which it was) he said it was cough-caused costochondritis.

Another bad bronchitis at the ER, I was in obvious bad shape and I said I'll let the antibiotics do their job, but my coughing is so hard, my upstairs neighbour complained to the owner (which she did) and she scripted me 60 30mg codeine after I said "there's nothing in the aisles that works!" and she told me "what works is codeine!", then I went "if you say so doc".

The only problem we have here is that not enough people have GP's and end up jamming up the ER's. It's getting better though, especially since the government gives bonus to doctors who take walk-ins so people do not go to the ER.

Finally, provinces have more rights than US states for example, Canada is not a Federation, it's a Confederation, where provinces have many Responsibilities. All Health Canada does is approve or disapprove medication or remove them from the market if proven dangerous or they're old and don't sell much at all. And those provincial like in mine programs? They won't stop people who have chronic pain, who are at the local pain clinic which is inside the hospital of my town, there's another one 1h30 west in another hospital. The people all become friends in the waiting rooms and those people...obviously have had no problem keeping the pharms flowing in the streets heh. I've never even seen heroin. It's not something people do here, if you were to admit just snorting or smoking heroin, all your friends and family would disown you (dramatizing but close enough, that's why I never told anybody when I was shooting up Dillies and HMC's like mad).

If there's heroin in this province, it's in Montreal, it's still rare there, and extremely expensive. A 30mg Hydromorph Contin is much more of a prize to the local junkies than PS4 worth of money for .25 or whatever the lowest quantity that's sold by those car delivery services. If you go downtown, I remember when I lived 3 years in Montreal, there's Haitians who will tell you, "icitte ya juste du blanc pis du buzz" quebec french to english : here there's only white(coke) and weed. No open selling of it.

As for when I get off bupe and would want something from old guy? Heh, I had a debt to the dude, but he almost doubled it out of nowhere the last times I got some Dillies from him, I paid cash, but when he told me I owned him X amount, I was like no way. And he shows me his notes which are all scribbled undecipherable bullshit with a total at the bottom where he had asked me to write in my initials. Well for some reason in that agenda there was some more calculations to the right and a number encircled. Later he called and said I'm sorry that's not you, but I said, fuck you, I'm not paying you anything and you won't be able to find me, ever. So, I got no connect for pharmies now, hell I hardly have weed connections anymore. Although, thankfully as I said before, when I get off bupe and its bad effects on my dental health, I'm promised Oxycodone-CR 60mg. APO, Cobalt, Teva, PMS, whatever, I don't care, I always just chewed them and ate them which all generics that way anyway.

edit: I forgot to mention, there is a private clinic in my town, they were illegal until sometime in 2007. You have to be willing to pay for it or your insurance covers it. It's in the same building that one of my pharmacy is in, and I always go right when they open at 8 am and there's a door inside the pharmacy to get into the clinic. And everyone I see go there are the elderly with great pensions, the kind our generation will not get. My GP makes money in other ways, on Fridays he does home medicine for those with mobility issues, that's another bonus (a call-in/walk-in is another bonus. He's an employee of the state who gets paid per visits by the state, paid more on Fridays for sure and for walk-ins.
 
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Well, when Omeprazole came out in 93 he said it was a godsent. He cut down on the H. Was forced to a Rehab he didn't need by 20 business people + Courtney yelling at him to go to that California detox, where he only stayed 3 days or so, he saw his daughter alone at the clinic and then, left and had a new will + divorce papers at his attorney ready to be filed, he had some stuff to do first in Seattle, so the bitch cancelled all his credit and debit cards to get him in trouble. He was going to divorce the cunt and leave Seattle for good. Form another band. But those DGC and business assholes who did this intervention on him, who some of them had bigger addictions than him pressuring him into reforming Nirvana and go to Lollapalooza and get that 9.5 million dollars if not for him, for his baby and blah blah. The movie Soaked in Bleach and the new book made by Mathew Richer with Tom Grant (even more so) is one hell of book that will make you go "hmm". Hang tough man, at least you got your script. I have to get off that really bad formulation of Suboxone Canada has before I get my promised GP script.
 
"Omeprazole" lol that's a hell of an autocorrect ;)
 
Well isn't Prilosec's generic name Omeprazole, it's the first PPI. I don't know what you think I would have had autocorrected there heh, I just woke up, my brain isn't running 100% yet, so give me that slack ;p
 
I dunno either I was pretty drunk lol you are of course correct about prilosec, but I think i missed a bit of the context and was trying to think of how "kurt cobain" or anything nirvana related … nevermind lol
 
That's cool heheh. Much cooler than the small benzo withdrawal I'm experiencing right now.Yeah...the best I could do after getting a bag of powder flubromazolam (100mg, thankfully I did not buy more as planned. It caused my Valium 60 count 10mg bottles (I have some in stock but am still committed at keeping a reserve), I could normally do with that for a month, as expected, but now it's more like 2 weeks. Compared with Clonazolam, which I also used in powder form, it jacked my zig-zagging tolerance a lot more, with clonazolam, when I had none and went back to Valium, it worked perfectly. And I'm awaiting so many orders that are yet to arrive, one that had to be reshipped, never even received a letter of seizure (they do it even with legal products sometimes, bitches, at least now after verifying, I noticed that Flubromazepam is controlled here, so that explains the different language the 2 times I've had it taken out at customs in their letter. Anyways, offtopic, gonna shut it for now, the mailman's about to arrive if he hasn't already. I'm not in big trouble even if nothing arrives this week, I got 3 temazepam 30mg left, and I actually used that script in 24 days and I can renew my bromaz script saturday. I just don't want to take temazepam during the day, it's a waste.

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This is fucking shit. I'm gonna have to take 1 temazepam 30mg a day to keep real hardcore withdrawals at bay. Until saturday, maybe I'll make up the courage to call and say that I'm going to be out of town for some work formation and I won't be able to renew my bromaz since I won't be home...I don't know if this is Canada-wide, but that excuse works a lot, if not used often at all, I never did with them so, anyway, you can't renew a benzo script elsewhere even if it's the same banner of a pharmacy, that script if you renew it elsewhere, is there forever now, only one transfer is authorized. And through eavesdropping on some older guy who had a benzo script and some HydromorphContins scripted and he was moving just in a different part of town, if he wanted his script in the area where he was moving, he had to get his doctor to make him a new script for that pharmacy.
 
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Canadian Heroin help identifying

Hey everyone, I am from Cali first post here, traveling through Canada and curious is anyone has seen/done this type of H as I am worried to even touch this. I received it from my guy I visit everytime I'm in Edmonton. He said his boss just got this and he's never seen anything like it before. (Typically from him I only receive brown powder each time) I don't believe he'd knowingly do me dirty so anyone ever seen this before?


It's greasy, a bit sticky but more mooshy than sticky. It has no sweet taste to it either as I thought it would be sugar.


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That is what it looks like, any thoughts? I am a smoker primarily.
 
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Substance ID questions generally aren't allowed but I'm genuinely curious what that is. Keep in mind that anyone's answer is going to be speculatory; we can in no ways identify what that is for sure online.
 
Looks like MDMA brown sugar. Could also be 4-cl-PHP a novel stimulant that comes in big chunks like that. Get yourself a basic mdma testing kit. This is not heroin though, I'm sure of it.
 
Looks more like mdma to me also. Actually exactly like some shit I got in Mississauga last Xmas. But I cannot say for sure. Don't look like h though. I usually see just powder. Not that
 
I'm from Red Deer here Ive been on oxyneo for 10yrs now and just got laid off so I no longer have medical and to tell you the truth I'm pretty terrified of what comes next. Ive heard Cannabis may help with withdrawl and pain. Any suggestions from anyone out there? I don't even know where to start.8)
 
OxyNeos appeared in 2012 and are the reason (because of the temporary Oxycontin withdrawal from the markets that I started to shoot up Dillies and HMContins, although, there was still OxyIR's 5-10-20mg and Percs, my guys when he stopped having OC's, he was out of 20mg Supeudol footballs too, right at the same time (although I have never ever seen a percocet, i had percodans(oxycodan the generic) from my dentist 10 years ago but yeah, people take so much tylenol, they all go for OxyIR and Supeudols to save their asses.

Why don't you ask your doc for generic Oxycodone-CR. No province's insurance pays for OxyNeos or generics, tell your doctor it's too expensive to get the OxyNeos, there's like 8 companies making Oxycodone-CR.

Good luck. You got laid off and you no longer have medicine insurance....every province in Canada has it's own insurance in that case, usually pretty cheaper than the private ones taken off one's cheques, some annoyances depending on provinces but, did you know it's actually illegal not to have medicine insurance? You have to get that Alberta provincial insurance. I'm sure it's more expensive than here in QC, it's slightly under 100 a month here, and once you reached what you paid, they pay the rest. So one script, if they're not OxyNeos 10's, and you should have any other med for free. If too lazy to fill a form, walk to the methadone clinic, tell them you're gonna withdraw from whatever and you don't have the money to pay for your meds. You kinda sound like too many of those people who don't help themselves then yell at the government. Just kidding, because you're in Alberta and we all imagine you as little Harpers over there ;)
 
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Looks like MDMA brown sugar. Could also be 4-cl-PHP a novel stimulant that comes in big chunks like that. Get yourself a basic mdma testing kit. This is not heroin though, I'm sure of it.

I thought it could be weird looking MDMA, but why that'd be sold as dope who knows; although "molly," these days, which means basically anything (4-Cl-PHP, especially if it has a passing resemblance to chunky "moon rock" MDMA) is proliferating in "urban" markets that used to be nothing but dope and hard (and weed and sometimes dust …)
 
Neo's are an arbitrary price Sweetyjane77 can't tell here, rule : no price discussion, but there's like 8-9 kind of dosages for oxyneos, 80's costing a hell lot more than 5's from a pharmacy and barely work. I was on 40mg 3x a day with 8 tecs for breakthru
I'm now on 45 methadone 2 times a day. Works great for pain and man I hated getting dope sick
I'm close to Rice lake and moved here from Toronto so I don't know where to get pills anymore but that's the reason I moved here
My Toronto doc wanted to switch me to hydro morph but I knew I'd blow through my script to early so my pain doc switch to methadone. I do miss the nod a bit though lol
 
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