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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.2.0

Mr.Scagnattie

Mr.Scagnattie

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"4-Fluoroamphetamine (4-FA; PAL-303; "Flux"), also known as para-fluoroamphetamine (PFA) is a psychoactive drug and research chemical of the phenethylamine and amphetamine chemical classes. It produces stimulant and possibly entactogenic effects. 4-FA is a relatively rare drug on the illicit market, although it is sometimes sold as a designer drug along with related analogues such as 2-fluoroamphetamine and 4-fluoromethamphetamine, among others."

"Effects

The subjective effects of 4-FA include euphoria, increased energy, mood elevation, excessive talking, bruxism (jaw clenching), insomnia and suppressed appetite.

4-Fluoroamphetamine is a potent stimulant and serotonin releaser as with other para-substituted amphetamine derivatives, but is both significantly less potent as a serotonin releaser and much less neurotoxic than related compounds such as parachloroamphetamine and paraiodoamphetamine, with both serotonin-releasing potency and neurotoxicity increasing down the halogen series 4-FA << PCA < PBA < PIA,[3][4] while conversely the dopamine reuptake inhibition produced by 4-FA is stronger than that of either PCA or PIA.[5] 4-FA also produces less hyperthermia than similar compounds such as PMA, 4-MTA and 4-methylamphetamine, but both hyperthermia and neurotoxicity are still likely to be complications of overdose or excessive use of 4-FA."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Fluoroamphetamine

Have any of you tried this substance.. some first hand reports would be interesting!

Here are some erowid TR's http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_4Fluoroamphetamine.shtml
 
so did anyone answer the question on mdma and 4-fa in a combo? I guess its not such a great idea, both beeing serotogenic and the 4-fa very stimy (werent amp. and mdma in combo poinsenes?)
 
quick question: How quick is the onset when plugin 4fa. I did it 30 min ago, can't really say I feel anything. Does it take longer or am I pluggin incorrectly? Tho I'm not sure how do you fuck up something as simple as sticking stuff up your ass.
 
I know I'm a bit late but you should definitely feel 4-fa within a half hour if plugged. About the only mistake you can make when plugging is not making sure your bowels are empty beforehand.

borega said:
so did anyone answer the question on mdma and 4-fa in a combo? I guess its not such a great idea, both beeing serotogenic and the 4-fa very stimy (werent amp. and mdma in combo poinsenes?)
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IME 4-FA and MDMA step on each others toes, both are much more enjoyable on their own.
 
I actually combined 4-fa and mdma once on a party, didn't really plan it, I just ran out of 4-fa and it was 2 nighter nonstop party so I had to get a pill or two. Wasn't unpleasant at all but wouldn't recommend to do it on purpose. The euphoric effects don't really add up, I was just highly stimulated, almost too much and what I disliked the most was that it felt like some of the good properties of both drugs were decreased. 4-fa alone is very clear headed, almost not tweaky at all while MDMA is more like being a dream state where nothing makes sense and yet everything feels perfect and lovely.
The combo just felt really stimulating while removing 4-fa's and mdma's own "character". More like taking pure amphetamine.

In generally combining stims is rarely worthwile while likely being MUCH more damaging to body and neurotoxic than taking either stim.

I like to combine 4-fa with decent amounts of alcohol, not that this is extra healthy either, but I have very high booze tolerance so I can combine booze with everything.
 
I've got some of the very strong amphet paste that's going around and was thinking of combining it with a bit of 4-fa, as from what I've read they sound quite similar. This is just to increase the margin of error really. Would it be worth doing - are they similar enough to each other? I've not tried 4-fa before.
 
A bit offtopic but I don't get why paste is such a quality with amps. Doesn't that mean that batch just isn't properly dried thus making it less potent?
 
Agree, it's a bit of a pain if you want to do a line. I'll be drying it out anyway, and will still be strong as f#ck. Might mix a bit of glucose in as well to make it a bit safer.
 
ddhats said:
I've got some of the very strong amphet paste that's going around and was thinking of combining it with a bit of 4-fa, as from what I've read they sound quite similar. This is just to increase the margin of error really. Would it be worth doing - are they similar enough to each other? I've not tried 4-fa before.
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If you haven't already done this I'd advise against it. 4-FA on it's own is enough, if you must take the paste aswell take it at the tail end of the 4-FA, but I doubt mixing them is necessary or worth it. I've mixed 4-FA and MDMA to some success in capsules, but probably still both better on individually; hard to say as I'd been on the A-Z style mash up.
 
Dr_Robotnik said:
If you haven't already done this I'd advise against it. 4-FA on it's own is enough, if you must take the paste aswell take it at the tail end of the 4-FA, but I doubt mixing them is necessary or worth it. I've mixed 4-FA and MDMA to some success in capsules, but probably still both better on individually; hard to say as I'd been on the A-Z style mash up.
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Friends that have had this have been kept awake for two days with just a couple of small lines of this speed so taking it at the tail end of the 4-fa wouldn't be a good idea. I haven't mixed them yet and have decided I'll stick to the generally safe and sensible rule of not mixing substances. I'll just stick a bit of glucose powder in with the speed and try the 4-fa separately. Once again this site has made me see sense and achieved its aim of harm reduction!
 
ddhats said:
Friends that have had this have been kept awake for two days with just a couple of small lines of this speed so taking it at the tail end of the 4-fa wouldn't be a good idea. I haven't mixed them yet and have decided I'll stick to the generally safe and sensible rule of not mixing substances. I'll just stick a bit of glucose powder in with the speed and try the 4-fa separately. Once again this site has made me see sense and achieved its aim of harm reduction!
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Wise idea with the speed man. It is the one drug that I honestly think is better of to have cut for me personally, had a pure bit before and I have to say there is absolutely no need for that unless your IV'ing. I take my amphetamine orally usually, I know sniffing has a higher BA but it's less pleasant and misses the rush I get from a nice bomb.

If you have access to top notch speed paste there is no real need for 4-FA in my opinion. The rush from normal speed is better at doses of about 50mg. Last time I had some I dried mine right out and cut it 50% with dextrose. 100mg bombs were just great, stayed awake for 3 days repeating the process. Good speed is something I find hard to leave alone if I have any. 4-FA I find is only really good for the first 2 doses, and because it's a serotonin releasing drug wants treated as a once every now and again type thing, had a pretty shitty comedown aswell I thought.
 
Has anyone taken 4-fa while also taking regular anti-depressants? I'm only on a small dose (10mg lexapro per day) but I'm worried about potential problems...
 
^I can't speak from personal experience but mixing ssri's with a chemical that releases large amounts of serotonin sounds very risky. Sorry if I'm just stating the obvious.
 
Oh darn, I'm going to have to get rid of my 4-fa then. I can't take the risk. What to do with 1g. ouch!
 
Save it for when you are better, or/if you can take drugs again.
 
Friday - 100 mgs of 4-FA oral mid-afternoon. Nice stim/mood. Late night.
Sat - Woke up still feeling stimmed. 100 mgs of 4-fa oral in the morning then 100mg in the evening. Nice. Very late night.
Sun - Woke up still feeling depleted. 150 mgs in the morning. Kept me going.
Mon - Could not get to work. Could barely move. Slept most of the day. Quite despondent.
 
Hello,

Just got my first 4-FA order from an online vendor, and these are my results.

Any light on what can it be? Does not look like 4-FA but I could be totally wrong (colorblind)

The substance fizzed for mecke marquis and mandelin.

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that does not look right to say the least. Marquis should give no reaction in colour and yours does very much so! Id stear clear for now, maybe wait for a better answer
 
Thanks for the answer borega. I will bring tomorrow a sample to the lab. Let's see if they can help me with the ID.
 
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