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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Beating benzo withdrawal

Parabolan said:
Well, this particular person here was given benzo prescriptions for 12 years straight. Imagine trying to quit. It's worth saying that I take more than I'm prescribed.
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I can imagine.

I was on Valium for almost two and a half years for muscle spasms for my multiple sclerosis. Trust me no one was more shocked than I was when a quick taper over 3 weeks and I had no withdrawal and this was 15 to 20 mg a day for two and a half years sometimes more.

What did get me was the damn baclofen. That shit's horrible to get off of. I was on a really high dose but still it was as bad as alcohol withdrawal except there weren't any seizures. The insomnia was just as bad actually worse because I developed central sleep apnea from the baclofen, and then apparently when you go off of it it does the same thing.

That was a very shitty 3 months. It was interesting that when I started the taper it was horrible and then as I tapered more and got below a certain dose of baclofen than it kind of backed off.
 
snmfmy said:
I can imagine.

I was on Valium for almost two and a half years for muscle spasms for my multiple sclerosis. Trust me no one was more shocked than I was when a quick taper over 3 weeks and I had no withdrawal and this was 15 to 20 mg a day for two and a half years sometimes more.

What did get me was the damn baclofen. That shit's horrible to get off of. I was on a really high dose but still it was as bad as alcohol withdrawal except there weren't any seizures. The insomnia was just as bad actually worse because I developed central sleep apnea from the baclofen, and then apparently when you go off of it it does the same thing.

That was a very shitty 3 months. It was interesting that when I started the taper it was horrible and then as I tapered more and got below a certain dose of baclofen than it kind of backed off.
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Don't get me wrong I still love my benzos, can't imagine my life without them. I have been taking them for 25 years, 12 of which were under scripts. The doctor referred me to a specialist that supposedly tapered me off over 20 days, what a joke.
 
Parabolan said:
Don't get me wrong I still love my benzos, can't imagine my life without them. I have been taking them for 25 years, 12 of which were under scripts. The doctor referred me to a specialist that supposedly tapered me off over 20 days, what a joke.
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Well for me after doing a lot of the research to find alternative treatments for my multiple sclerosis because the disease modifying therapy I was taking was causing untenable side effects.

Well I discovered that MS is an inflammatory disease. Get rid of the inflammation and your brain can actually repair the myelin. But if your brain is inflamed, the process is for cleaning out the garbage and then laying down proper new myelin cannot happen.

Anyway, the reason that I decided not to continue with benzos is because the evidence is clear. Long-term chronic use of benzodiazepines significantly increases your probability of developing dementia.

About 1.8 times, more likely than non-benzodiazepine users.
 
"A significantly increased dementia risk (OR, 1.78 (95% CI 1.33–2.38) was observed among benzodiazepine users as compared to benzodiazepine non-users."

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Benzodiazepine Use and the Risk of Dementia in the Elderly Population: An Umbrella Review of Meta-Analyses

The prevalence of dementia among the elderly is high, and it is the leading cause of death globally. However, the relationship between benzodiazepine use and dementia risk has produced inconsistent results, necessitating an updated review of the evidence. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This is the latest metadata analysis and review that I think it was completed in 2023.
 
I knew the dementia thing.

It was the MS stuff that amazed me some. The healing. Any links great fully received
Not for me. For a friend. Sorry to hear about your illness but respect for being proactive n dealing with it. 💪❤️
 
Beoul said:
It's a wonder that you stopped based on the research. It takes real intelligence to stop an addiction before personal experience. For me I had to learn the hard way. I was tripping down stairs alot. Benzos do something to your hips, and not in a good way... I was losing actual physical control. Like something wasn't sending the message to my hips and legs. I was still keeping up an intense yoga practice and bouldering until one day during a climb I felt all my bones crackle at once culminating in this intense pain in my spine and I had a feeling it was somehow connected with the benzo use and overall stress. And also I just was losing a certain connection with reality, was losing a sensual interest in real women, and blacking out every night at the lounges and bars from a bottle of red wine. Somehow I got home those nights and in my bed. My god, this went on for a year or so, I don't even know.
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No, I live with significant muscle spasms because I would rather not be doped up. Not worry about dementia. Not worry about baclofen withdrawal. Not worry about benzo withdrawal then not have the pain.

And the benzodiazepines actually dealt with the MS neuropathic pain which doesn't have any real basis in physical damage to the peripheral nerves. It's completely excitatory or incorrectly parsed signals in the brain. So I would take Valium. It will calm my brain down and no pain and no muscle spasms.

But fuck that.
 
Beoul said:
20 days? after 25 years? my god, they really are heartless and uninformed.
did you go through the taper? if so, how were you able to manage?
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I actually told the physician that I was tapering, but kept scoring benzos on my own "no scripts". Some doctors just shouldn't be doctors.
 
BadBoy377 said:
I knew the dementia thing.

It was the MS stuff that amazed me some. The healing. Any links great fully received
Not for me. For a friend. Sorry to hear about your illness but respect for being proactive n dealing with it. 💪❤️
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Prolonged fasting (48+ hours ) at least once a week.

Tell your friend to search alternate day! Fasting, rats, MS. See fasting a rat for a day is like fasting a human for 3 days so every other day fasting for a rat is like a 3-day-on 3 day off for humans. Anyway, when they tried to give rats that were fasting on an every other day. Fasting protocol, experimental autoimmune encephalitis, EAE - It is the animal model of multiple sclerosis in experiments- the rats wouldn't get sick.

When They first evinced rats with EAE and waited until they had hind leg paralysis, then started them on an alternate day Fast protocol, 70% of the rats recovered some or all of the lost function.

Fasting drastically lowers inflammation in the body. It reduces the NLRP3 inflammosome.

It is the most powerful inducer of autophagy in the brain as long as you fast at least 48 hours.

It also instigates the regeneration and renewal of stem cells.

I also take LIPOSOMAL Fisetin, LIPOSOMAL Quercetin, b. Complex vitamins, vitamin C. Zinc, a good multivitamin multi-mineral big chewable from the health food store. Vitamin d and k.

But, in December of 2021 through about February of 2022 I was intermittently bedridden where I could not physically get out of bed except to use the facilities and shower every couple of days. If I could walk I needed a cane.

Ocrevus treatment failed, my body developed an immune response to the monoclonal antibody. So I have not been on any disease modifying therapies since January of 2021.

After instituting the fasting, I started to recover function to the point where I don't need the cane anymore.

I've lost 35 lb, the optic neuritis that I was suffering from is completely gone. The nerve induced erectile dysfunction is gone. And literally the only difference is I just don't eat for 48 or 72 hours at least a week. Sometimes I do two 48 hour fasts in a week it depends on how I feel.

You can PM me and I'll actually give you my personal number to give to your friend. Because if I hadn't experienced the drastic changes that the prolonged fasting elicited with respect to my MS, I would not believe it.
 
Thankyou so much @snmfmy . There's a lot to process there. I'll pass it on to her. I appreciate you taking the time to share thankyou so much.

Have a good weekend!
 
BadBoy377 said:
Thankyou so much @snmfmy . There's a lot to process there. I'll pass it on to her. I appreciate you taking the time to share thankyou so much.

Have a good weekend!
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No problem. You too! And like I said if you want to give my number to your friend you can just PM me and I'll give you my number in private message. Us people with MS have to stick together
 
I'm expecting the dementia thing if I live to be an old man. 25 years of benzo abuse and counting.
 
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