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@SoCalShordie , , why do u think that many "rich and famous ", who definitely have no problem on the getting laid score, prefer to pay for the services of a professional ? Less drama ? Are they afraid that many of their sexual partners are more into their money-status-etc than into them anyway ? Because it s "easier" than having and maintaining a relationship?
 
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@SoCalShordie , , why do u think that many "rich and famous ", who definitely have no problem on the getting laid score, prefer to pay for the services of a professional ? Less drama ? Are they afraid that many of their sexual partners are more into their money-status-etc than into them anyway ? Because it s "easier" than having and maintaining a relationship?
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Maybe just because you can?
 
@snmfmy - yes I have heard that it is a lucrative industry, for some. For many, probably the majority of people who try and setup accounts, they make fuck all. Organised crime has of course utilised only fans and the other webcam platforms as they do with everything else. And as with everything else in the sex work industry, it isn't all autonomous people doing a job they enjoy for lots of money. Some of those people in front of cams aren't even there out of choice. Loads of exploitation occurs just as in any branch of the sex industry, sometimes by "managers" who pretend to promote you and keep a load of your money if you're new and not getting followers to the kind of shit Andrew Tate was doing. Lots of Slavic women on there too who are working for someone else and likely not receiving many rubles for their time.

I've heard that it's a major challenge to the studios tho and that many porn performers have switched over.
 
snmfmy said:
I don't know if it was you who deleted it @SoCalShordie it was I pm'd you if it wasn't can you undelete it and just anonymize the person so that nobody can go to the site because I didn't even realize it was kind of advertising.

Or absent that can I just repost everything but not name anybody's name specifically but give all the valid numbers as in revenue
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It was me and I'm happy to reinstate the post with those changes.
 
pharaoh said:
@snmfmy - yes I have heard that it is a lucrative industry, for some. For many, probably the majority of people who try and setup accounts, they make fuck all. Organised crime has of course utilised only fans and the other webcam platforms as they do with everything else. And as with everything else in the sex work industry, it isn't all autonomous people doing a job they enjoy for lots of money. Some of those people in front of cams aren't even there out of choice. Loads of exploitation occurs just as in any branch of the sex industry, sometimes by "managers" who pretend to promote you and keep a load of your money if you're new and not getting followers to the kind of shit Andrew Tate was doing. Lots of Slavic women on there too who are working for someone else and likely not receiving many rubles for their time.

I've heard that it's a major challenge to the studios tho and that many porn performers have switched over.
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It's insane. You can get private messages or even cam to cam interaction with these girls for basically a pittance for less than I would spend at the strip club.

I agree with you 100% about organized crime, however organized crime does a lot of things that other people do as well that aren't illegal.

I'm an extremely liberal person if daughter and I have two wanted to strip or be in porn that would be her decision but I would be much more accepting of the situation if she was only fans. It's her home her equipment her studio she goes on cam when she wants to she leaves cam when she doesn't.

As long as there aren't any clues to where she lives no extra ordinary security would need to be done.

I think a lot more girls are doing only fans to make money for school or as a single mother then people realize.

I knew full well what was going on when I signed up for a couple of the subscriptions I wanted to see what only fans was like and I had actually followed one content provider from the Chaturbate platform to her subscription.

Even knowing that, I spent another 60 or $80 on extra content that I wanted to see in the first week and then that was my limit for the experiment.

So she got me for $105 that month.
 
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snmfmy said:
It's insane. You can get private messages or even cam to cam interaction with these girls for basically a pittance for less than I would spend at the strip club.

I agree with you 100% about organized crime, however organized crime does a lot of things that other people do as well that aren't illegal.

I'm an extremely liberal person if daughter and I have two wanted to strip or be in porn that would be her decision but I would be much more accepting of the situation if she was only fans. It's her home her equipment her studio she goes on cam when she wants to she leaves cam when she doesn't.

As long as there aren't any clues to where she lives no extra ordinary security would need to be done.

I think a lot more girls are doing only fans to make money for school or as a single mother then people realize.

I knew full well what was going on when I signed up for a couple of the subscriptions I wanted to see what only fans was like and I had actually followed one content provider from the Chaturbate platform to her subscription.

Even knowing that, I spent another 60 or $80 on extra content that I wanted to see in the first week and then that was my limit for the experiment.

So she got me for $105 that month.
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Interesting to see you describe yourself as a liberal given that you called me a liberal during our early encounters. I have a socially conservative streak going through me and if I had daughters, I'd be strongly against them going into the sex industry.

The organised crime element is highly important IMO and is probably a lot more prevalent than most would assume. It is just a lass (or lad, or both) in front of a camera right? In their room, in control. Bullshit in loads of cases, from Moscva to London to Miami.

I just looked and the "average" earnings of an Only Fans performer £150 per month, which is fuck all. Oogats. As with all of these things, the percentage of those that make a living, who earn well and those who don't indicates a huge level of inequality amongst the "liberated" sex workers.

I even thought about it with some women I know, suggesting it because they have certain "assets" about them or just general sexiness/horniness that they could exploit but after reading about it, it looks like a lot of people have this idea and it amounts to fuck all in the end. £150 per month is nothing - the workers that OCGs bring in to work in cannabis farms and all that probably make more and remember this is the average earnings of an Only Fans user.

As with any business, you have to invest to make money and so the successful ones usually have some kind of profile already and play off their brand, and some will pay for "social media managers" to promote them (I did this job before anyone really knew it was a thing), some will go to "agencies" which I imagine will in many cases be rip-off merchants/scams and some will be pimped out by any variation of the previous two, or by individuals or by OCGs. Some will try it on their own, make nothing, possibly get discovered by people who know them and become highly embarrassed.

I'm not against it in theory and if it was truly based on autonomy then that would be even better, but in practise it is a cesspit of misery and exploitation, or at least frustration via poverty, with a small number of performers making it seem fine, cool, fun, just a laugh and all that.
 
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pharaoh said:
Interesting to see you describe yourself as a liberal given that you called me a liberal during our early encounters..
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I don't think that's accurate.

You called me a right winger. I believe I then said I was liberal.

I don't remember calling you a liberal. Maybe far left (as that is the definition of marxism).

I'm an East Coast Liberal/libertarian. Raised by hippies (not in a commune). Hung out/grew up with hippies in and out of communes, and saw the abject economic failure of communism -- namely -- if you can't FORCE people to stay and pull their weight, everything falls apart.

And it repeated ad nauseum.

Good people, shitty economic philosophy.

Oh and I'm big on social safety nets. I believe universal health care is a national security REQUIREMENT! I love to operate and own firearms. I'm ex-military, and I think we should adopt the swiss model of COMPULSORY FIREARMS OWNERSHIP AND TRAINING.

Lotteries are a tax on people who CAN'T do maths (shout out to the Brits, I love saying maths -- and it's grammatically more correct than just math, being plural) properly.

I think there should be no limit to the number of consenting adults that can enter into a marriage and gain ALL the joint tenancy ownership and inheritance benefits a 2- person marriage gets.

I'm straight, but when I get high enough and the right guy walks buy -- I can see the appeal.
 
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Interesting to see you describe yourself as a liberal given that you called me a liberal during our early encounters. I have a socially conservative streak going through me and if I had daughters, I'd be strongly against them going into the sex industry.

The organised crime element is highly important IMO and is probably a lot more prevalent than most would assume. It is just a lass (or lad, or both) in front of a camera right? In their room, in control. Bullshit in loads of cases, from Moscva to London to Miami.

I just looked and the "average" earnings of an Only Fans performer £150 per month, which is fuck all. Oogats. As with all of these things, the percentage of those that make a living, who earn well and those who don't indicates a huge level of inequality amongst the "liberated" sex workers.

I even thought about it with some women I know, suggesting it because they have certain "assets" about them or just general sexiness/horniness that they could exploit but after reading about it, it looks like a lot of people have this idea and it amounts to fuck all in the end. £150 per month is nothing - the workers that OCGs bring in to work in cannabis farms and all that probably make more and remember this is the average earnings of an Only Fans user.

As with any business, you have to invest to make money and so the successful ones usually have some kind of profile already and play off their brand, and some will pay for "social media managers" to promote them (I did this job before anyone really knew it was a thing), some will go to "agencies" which I imagine will in many cases be rip-off merchants/scams and some will be pimped out by any variation of the previous two, or by individuals or by OCGs. Some will try it on their own, make nothing, possibly get discovered by people who know them and become highly embarrassed.

I'm not against it in theory and if it was truly based on autonomy then that would be even better, but in practise it is a cesspit of misery and exploitation, or at least frustration via poverty, with a small number of performers making it seem fine, cool, fun, just a laugh and all that.
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Who, in the US, with all the anti-trafficking surveillance, is forcing girls into onlyfans?

So they make $150 a month. It costs them NOTHING. OF takes a percentage.

Most OF models are NOT ON CAM LIVE very often.

Any $$ they earn on Snap isn't counted as OF revenue.

They take a day, record 4 or 5 hours of themselves masturbating, fucking their boyfriend or girlfriend, or just out taking naked pics and they have content for a month.

The video clips are 2 min 3 min 4 min.

If you want the 20 min you have to buy it.

Median would be a better measure.

Better yet income quartiles Top 25%, 50%, etc.

"The platform serves as a full-time income source for over 2.2 million models and has reportedly paid over 5.1 billion dollars"

I'm betting the top 100,000 models ( top 5%) are ALL making at least $10k a month.

That's only 400 subscribers at $25 a month with no tips, or extras, no off platform revenue.

I personally know a content creator that gets paid $100-$200 each message to get naked and video record sexually demeaning messages about a client -- for the client

She lets me listen to it and it's fucking hilarious.
 
@snmfmy Are you serious? You think that human trafficking doesn't exist in the US because of surveillance and that women aren't coerced into it/exploited etc.? Children? You come across as ridiculously naive, almost childlike. Not an insult, merely an observation.

As always, I don't give a fuck about your politics, we have exhausted that line of discussion. You did call me a liberal early on cos I made a joke about being called a liberal being far more offensive than being called gay, that is where our wonderful friendship began. But what I am telling you now is that I am socially conservative on issues like sex work (I believe, at the very least, that sex workers need protection, autonomy and to be unionised) in contrast to your liberal attitude and, on this topic, that's as far as it needs to go. The ONLY point to take from our opposing views on SOCIAL liberalism/conservatism is that we have opposing views.

The content creator you know "personally" (LOL!) matters not a fuck either. What matters is that in spite of your naivety, there is a lot of investigation into Only Fans and other, similar platforms being utilised by people who have traditionally been involved in trafficking and are now utilising technological advances like this, as well as people new to the business (look at some of the "OnlyFans managers" out there) to make money from the same commodity: human beings. Impossible right? How could human trafficking happen in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!?!? In this day and age? Thank god they aren't able to smuggle drugs in right? What with all those law enforcement agencies and all of that surveillance technology... can you imagine? Cities being flooded with drugs? Impossible.

Drugs, weapons and human beings are the most profitable commodities on the black market, internationally.

Here are some articles for you to read:

OnlyFans: a paradise for pimps and predators.

Human Trafficking and the Dark Side to OnlyFans.

OnlyFans: A Major Contributor to Sexual Exploitation.

[Removed sensitive terms], other criminal activity linked to OnlyFans.

Evidence of Sex Trafficking Can be Found on OnlyFans According to Experts. - I recommend this as the first introduction as it quotes a detective who talks about trafficking and also how it is difficult to detect due to how OnlyFans works, i.e. their search feature and the paywall. I've never been on there so it was interesting to read about that.

An online summit which discusses the problem and has lots of information derived from research.

A New York Times piece on the OnlyFans trafficking/exploitation issue.

Loads of investigation has taken place into this problem, loads more will take place and we have only had a quick glimpse at what is under that dirty rug. Women, men an children have been exploited by this platform and, again, this is surface level stuff and doesn't account for many other webcam services, which also precede Only Fans and have been utilised by traffickers for a long time.

Here is economic data:

OnlyFans Earnings: Market Report and Data.

And here is something copied and pasted from that page, from the very beginning:

Highlights: The Most Important Onlyfans Earnings Statistics. The bold emphasis is mine: almost like a microcosmic glimpse into economic distribution generally.
  • Women make up a whopping 90% of OnlyFans creators, yielding them significant earning potential.
  • It is estimated that the top 1% of content creators on OnlyFans earn about 33% of total income on the platform.
  • According to a 2021 report, OnlyFans saw a revenue of approximately $400 million.
  • OnlyFans noted a 75% increase in sign-ups in April 2020, dramatically increasing potential content creators earnings.
  • The top 10% of earners on OnlyFans reportedly make 73% of all income.

Anyway, enjoy your friend's foot pics big homie from the east coast. Hope she gives you a discount, whether it is a person you know in real life or a parasocial relationship you have developed.

Mr Rogers Clown GIF
 
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@snmfmy Are you serious? You think that human trafficking doesn't exist in the US because of surveillance and that women aren't coerced into it/exploited etc.? Children? You come across as ridiculously naive, almost childlike. Not an insult, merely an observation.

As always, I don't give a fuck about your politics, we have exhausted that line of discussion. You did call me a liberal early on cos I made a joke about being called a liberal being far more offensive than being called gay, that is where our wonderful friendship began. But what I am telling you now is that I am socially conservative on issues like sex work (I believe, at the very least, that sex workers need protection, autonomy and to be unionised) in contrast to your liberal attitude and, on this topic, that's as far as it needs to go. The ONLY point to take from our opposing views on SOCIAL liberalism/conservatism is that we have opposing views.

The content creator you know "personally" (LOL!) matters not a fuck either. What matters is that in spite of your naivety, there is a lot of investigation into Only Fans and other, similar platforms being utilised by people who have traditionally been involved in trafficking and are now utilising technological advances like this, as well as people new to the business (look at some of the "OnlyFans managers" out there) to make money from the same commodity: human beings. Impossible right? How could human trafficking happen in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!?!? In this day and age? Thank god they aren't able to smuggle drugs in right? What with all those law enforcement agencies and all of that surveillance technology... can you imagine? Cities being flooded with drugs? Impossible.

Drugs, weapons and human beings are the most profitable commodities on the black market, internationally.

Here are some articles for you to read:

OnlyFans: a paradise for pimps and predators.

Human Trafficking and the Dark Side to OnlyFans.

OnlyFans: A Major Contributor to Sexual Exploitation.

[Removed sensitive terms], other criminal activity linked to OnlyFans.

Evidence of Sex Trafficking Can be Found on OnlyFans According to Experts. - I recommend this as the first introduction as it quotes a detective who talks about trafficking and also how it is difficult to detect due to how OnlyFans works, i.e. their search feature and the paywall. I've never been on there so it was interesting to read about that.

An online summit which discusses the problem and has lots of information derived from research.

A New York Times piece on the OnlyFans trafficking/exploitation issue.

Loads of investigation has taken place into this problem, loads more will take place and we have only had a quick glimpse at what is under that dirty rug. Women, men an children have been exploited by this platform and, again, this is surface level stuff and doesn't account for many other webcam services, which also precede Only Fans and have been utilised by traffickers for a long time.

Here is economic data:

OnlyFans Earnings: Market Report and Data.

And here is something copied and pasted from that page, from the very beginning:

Highlights: The Most Important Onlyfans Earnings Statistics. The bold emphasis is mine: almost like a microcosmic glimpse into economic distribution generally.
  • Women make up a whopping 90% of OnlyFans creators, yielding them significant earning potential.
  • It is estimated that the top 1% of content creators on OnlyFans earn about 33% of total income on the platform.
  • According to a 2021 report, OnlyFans saw a revenue of approximately $400 million.
  • OnlyFans noted a 75% increase in sign-ups in April 2020, dramatically increasing potential content creators earnings.
  • The top 10% of earners on OnlyFans reportedly make 73% of all income.

Anyway, enjoy your friend's foot pics big homie from the east coast. Hope she gives you a discount, whether it is a person you know in real life or a parasocial relationship you have developed.

Mr Rogers Clown GIF
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2.2 million women are only fans content creators.

If they're on only fans then it's easy to catch the trafficker.

There's a video stream an IP address an actual real life driver's license and social security card and birth certificate.

There's a real life address and a real life bank account.

So Captain crusader all you got to do is contact only fans and get the information for any of the girls that you think are being trafficked and you'll know right where to go to lock up the big bad traffic.

Better she's on only fans where you can catch the trafficker then in some La Quinta or Baymont and the backwoods of Georgia Mississippi being tricked out for some meth and p a place to stay.

See you go with the logical fallacy that because some people engage in sex trafficking all sex work must be bad.

That is exactly the same as saying because some people speed and drive drunk and kill other drivers we shouldn't drive cars it is exactly the same.

What you also feel to understand is that since only fans provides that data trail and money trail and physical location and digital location trail the girls are a thousand times safer on only fans that not being on only fans. Because they're going to do sex work. If you're reasonably attractive and you don't mind sticking a dildo up your pussy or masturbating or fucking your boyfriend or girlfriend or boyfriend and girlfriend on camera you're going to make a good living.
 
snmfmy said:
2.2 million women are only fans content creators.

If they're on only fans then it's easy to catch the trafficker.

There's a video stream an IP address an actual real life driver's license and social security card and birth certificate.

There's a real life address and a real life bank account.

So Captain crusader all you got to do is contact only fans and get the information for any of the girls that you think are being trafficked and you'll know right where to go to lock up the big bad traffic.

Better she's on only fans where you can catch the trafficker then in some La Quinta or Baymont and the backwoods of Georgia Mississippi being tricked out for some meth and p a place to stay.

See you go with the logical fallacy that because some people engage in sex trafficking all sex work must be bad.

That is exactly the same as saying because some people speed and drive drunk and kill other drivers we shouldn't drive cars it is exactly the same.

What you also feel to understand is that since only fans provides that data trail and money trail and physical location and digital location trail the girls are a thousand times safer on only fans that not being on only fans. Because they're going to do sex work. If you're reasonably attractive and you don't mind sticking a dildo up your pussy or masturbating or fucking your boyfriend or girlfriend or boyfriend and girlfriend on camera you're going to make a good living.
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You didn't read anything I sent, as usual. I am not sex-negative, I am totally sex positive. But I am dead against exploitation of people, particularly in sex work where exploitation is rife. I am almost against sex work itself given that the majority of people I've known through life have been "sex workers" to feed a habit and almost all of them that I spoke to were abused as children. When I sold class As I spoke to a lot of these women and some would try and offer a blowie or whatever for a bag because they were sick and I'd just give them the bag and they would tell me things that they had heard.

After going straight and all that, I studied pornography in a module at uni and this opened up a pandora's box when it came to exploitation, trafficking and the like. I even interviewed a male sex worker and had a article published in the city I was living in at the time, telling his gruesome story.

The Only Fans stuff I posted for you to read comes from experts in the field of trafficking, law enforcement and so on. But you won't read it, you never read anything.

I literally gave you examples from sources including law enforcement to show that sex trafficking is a problem on Only Fans and you're too stupid to understand it. In the one I recommended reading first it was an actual DECECTIVE that was explaining how difficult it is to track down traffickers. This isn't me saying if, I've never even been on the fucking website. Do you want to argue with law enforcement on the matter? They know more than you do.

Go and speak to your "personal contact" you seat sniffing idiot - maybe she'll give you a discount on your next personalised video eh? Give her some of that tasty flake straight off the brick and maybe she'll send you some dirty old socks for you to sniff and lick! Wuuuurd up to @snmfmy - big dog on the east coast and noted Only Fans patron.

Mr Rogers Clown GIF


Edit: I'm only joking when calling you a seat sniffer. Don't get your panties in a twist. But answer this if you will: do you use only fans as in are you a paying customer? Genuinely asking.

Edit: if it wasn't you that called me a liberal then it was Jnowhere who has been temp banned but I think it was you. You're the big dog on the east coast, with tha flaky fishscale flake which will make your mama shake her big juicy booty cake making the foundations of the world shake. If only you bothered reading things. The last thing you read was "Reading for Dummies" and you couldn't even figure out how to open the book. Somehow you can operate Only Fans tho. Weird. I guess it'd that "personal contact" you have on there eh? Do y'all meet in in real life to talk bizniz n shit? You go for a coffee, she asks about your hustle and then tells you about how many dead presidents she's making through the camming biz?

Another edit: Properties owned by P Diddy (the master diddler) have been raided by Federal Agents with Homeland Security over allegations regarding sex trafficking, sexual abuse and rape. How on earth did that happen? How did long-suspected diddler PeeeeeedoDiddlyDiddler manage to get away with sex trafficking, what with all the surveillance gizmos available to law enforcement in the USA, eh @snmfmy? Its almost as if it is a common problem or something...
 
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