Tryptamine*Dreamer said:
My reaction to HBWR seeds occurred 2 or 3 hours after eating them. It may have been something else that caused it, since I never got those symptoms from eating them the many previous times I ate them. I did get the same symptoms from breathing in some of the dust once. Maybe the seeds were contaminated with an allergen.
My sinus problems became severe before I vomited, so it could not have been from getting seed particles in my nose when I puked. The eyelid swelling started about an hour later.
I see no reason why the original poster could not have had a delayed reaction and no reason for him to make this up.
If BiG StroOnZ was stung by many bees, he could have needed medical treatment even if he was not allergic to bees. Getting stung too many times could be dangerous to anyone. I assume he was hospitalized due to the large number of stings.
yes i'm not an idiot i understood that, my point is how does his example prove the original poster didn't have an allergic reaction to lsd? if indeed he was hospitalized because of too many stings and not because of an allergic reaction, then his analogy would serve no purpose. that's why i said his post made no sense.
Maybe some posters just don't want to think LSD might cause such a reaction. If so, I don't see why. If it was the lsd that caused it, it is obviously an extremely rare occurrence. It does not change the fact that LSD is nearly harmless when it comes to toxicity.
i agree, i just looked up the side affects profile for morphine, which when used in therapeutic doses is widely regarded as one of the safest drugs known and it says
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.
if morphine can cause this reaction, then why not lsd? i know they're not similar chemically but very dissimilar chemicals can cause similar allergic reactions. i've never known of someone being allergic to morphine (even though it's used for more commonly than lsd) so i'm assuming it's very rare for people to be allergic to morphine. so if lsd can cause the same type of reaction, it wouldn't be at all surprising that it hadn't been documented before since it would be very rare. and especially because of the fact that in cases where it does happen, it's difficult, if not impossible to prove whether lsd was the culprit or whether the reaction occurred for other reasons and by mere coincidence, happened when the victim was using lsd.
but the main point i am trying to drive home here is that the perspective that BiG StroOnZ is taking on this issue is irrational.
this is an issue which to me, is much larger than this thread. basically if someone comes to you with a somewhat unusual inquiry, i believe that it is both scientifically and morally wrong to immediately write them off as lying. even if you suspect they are lying, or wish to present it as a possibility, you cannot claim it as positively true because it is simply impossible to know that for certain. it is impossible to say with 100% certainty that the original poster of this thread is lying. to do so is not only disrespectful but also an insult to proper scientific inquiry. for example, if every time a patient had an allergic reaction to morphine the doctors concluded "well that is not a known affect of morphine, therefore you must be lying" then of course the affect would never get documented, as no other rare affects would. this is not how science and medicine operate. you have to examine every possibility however remote it may seem, in order to be intellectually honest. that's why you find so many case studies where the doctors conclude they cannot determine what the cause of their patients condition was but they still document things as possible.
and in this case, there is not even any motive for lying or any evidence whatsoever to suggest the original poster is trying to be deceptive. it shouldn't have even been brought up in the first place.
