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Opioids Advice from strangers

manboychef said:
I really feel for you OP. I have been in your shoes the first time I quit. As a poster mentioned, each time you stop and start, you pretty much pick up where you left off in your addiction, and the withdrawals become much harder. This is called the kindling effect.

I am the same as mad dash on this. I would highly suggest going to meetings, even start when you are on the tail end of your detox. It saved my life. I still go to meetings once or twice a month or when I am feeling the itch, but I call my sponsor everyday. It keeps me sober, and it helps keep him sober. Just having a network of people that don't use might be what your life needs...you say boredom and complacency of life led you to spice it up with opiates correct? I have had the most fun I have ever had in my life going to BBQ's, camping, and bowling with some friends from AA. I also second getting your family involved. People say that there are seven degrees of separation between a secret and your loved ones...with opiate its really one degree of separation and eventually they will find out. If your kids are young, do not involve them, if they are older (16+) this could be a wonderful learning experience about the dangers of using opiates and what can happen. You are also going to need someone to help you through your first three days of withdrawal, those are the most debilitating.

I would take a minimum of five days off from work. I would also try to grab a few xanax or valium for sleeping (cos you won't be doing much of that while in withdrawal). valium is the preference though because it is longer acting.

here are a list of supplements and what they do for you.
l-theanine-helps fight the anxiety of quitting
l-tyrosine-helps clear up the brain fog quicker (you will know what I mean when you quit)
magnesium/potassium-helps with RLS (restless leg syndrome)
turmeric-helps detoxify your body quicker
milk thistle- if you haven't been cold water extracting your pills you have been ingesting quite a bit of tylenol. This will help get your liver functioning at a more homeostatic place.

Exercise. This will help immensely once you can.

Good luck my friend, you have my utmost respect for stopping this affliction and I hope you keep this thread active so we can
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I just wanted to quote this because I agree with literally EVERY word of it. This is about the best advice you could get. I know the idea of going to meetings while you are trying to hide it seems like a bad idea and a lot to take on... but I can promise you this: an addict, even with his supply forever cut off, will find a way to get more if the situation calls for him to. That is why working the steps and getting a sponsor is of the UTMOST importance.

Also, I am really glad you came back, there is a lot of really good information here, and the combined wisdom of a lot of people that I have a great deal of respect for. Hold your wife tonight... tell her how much you love her... tell her that everything is going to be okay (she does not have to know what that means) and then hold her like you have never held her before. I wish I could do that with my wife... but she left me because of my addiction even though I am clean as can be and am a respected voice in harm reduction and sobriety. There is nothing more important than family... I am really happy for you that you made this decision before it got too late.
 
cygnusx said:
Thank you guys for your kind responses. I'm not easily scared off so I'm still here. I appreciate all of your suggestions. I've thought about it and decide to just go cold turkey. So my situation was that my connection had roughly 100 oxys left. He had a buyer for all of them but kept them for me since we've known each other for years. Today I told him to get rid of all of them. After asking me if I was sure a half dozen times, he said that they will be gone in 2 days. I've just effectively cut off my supply. He is no longer prescribed those pills hence has no way of replenishing his own supply. I have no other way of getting them either. So no matter how bad it gets, for better or for worse, I can't get them anymore. I have a very finite supply of 5 mg norco and will taper with those and next week just stop. I'll keep you guys informed of my progress. Just want to say thanks to you again. You guys are great!
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Glad to hear this, withdrawal won't be easy but you will feel like a zombie come back to life once your off the drugs.

Sounds like you got a good thing going and alot of important reasons to get clean and stay that way.

Sometimes we have to put other people first especially our families and children. Let's face it, getting high is pretty selfish when its the ones you love who pay for it, and we've all been there.
 
Short update and a few questions. First, I've been tapering with hydrocodone for about a week now. About 20 mg daily. That's down from 50 mg of oxy which, I believe, is roughly equivalent to 75 mg of hydrocodone. So far so good. Now, I'm almost out of hydrocodone and it's time to face the music. Hopefully, going cold turkey from 20 mg of hydro won't be so bad but, just in case, I wanted to ask what can help me ease the symptoms. I don't want to do subs or benzos or any other prescription pills. I'm looking for something along the lines of immodium, cbd, vitamins, etc. I not very worried about physical symptoms but more concerned about psychological ones. What supplements can I take to ease depression, anxiety, cravings, etc?

Edit - I just reread manboychefs (thank you!) post and he did list a very comprehensive list of supplements. I'll stop by GNC or similar store and stock up. If there are any other suggestions, please let me know.
 
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your friend probably won't suffer any physical withdrawal symptoms. until he addresses the source of dissatisfaction or unhappiness in his life, going back to opiate use (or booze, or strange pussy, or...) is pretty likely.
 
Lyrica works wonders for withdrawls, Immodium but be careful with your dose. Anyway welcome your def in the right place. ......and yes addiction is addiction.
 
Just wishing you luck! You got this, I think it will be easier than you think. Post on here to let us know how it goes and if you ever feel weak.
 
Weed helps a lot if u wanna go that route. From what I understand the immodium is an opiate but it's not really psychoactive so it won't get u high, I'm not sure if immodium would just delay the inevitable or how that works exactly . A lot of people here swear by it but I've also heard some horror stories as well. I'd say do some research here on bluelight and you'll find the pros and cons and be able to make an informed decision as to whether or not to try it. I wish u all the best bro, we'll all be here hoping for the best. We know from experience how hard it is, a lot of people just can't make it through so there's no shame if u slip up, it's almost expected. It seems like ur head is in the right place so I think you'll make it just fine. It's only ur first time so it won't be too bad. Good luck and god bless.
 
Maybe speak to a specialist and get on a very low dose buprenorphine taper?
 
Hi, I just wanted to say well done you are doing great. :)

Immodium has helped me a lot. Same with lyrica, it got rid of all minor w/ds. Keep us updated.
 
So I spoke too soon. My connection kept 10 80mg pills. He doled them out to me 2 at a time per week. So I was taking roughly 23mg per day for 5 weeks. After they were gone, I had few 5mg hydro and 1 per day was enough to make me feel ok. I figured that is about as much as I could taper so I took last dose of roughly 20mg oxy which I kept for final hooray on Sunday @ noon. It's 9:30 Wednesday morning so about 72 hours without any opiates. So far, I had diarrhea only once so I didn't even get Imodium. Same connection did give me 8 10mg valium and I've been taking 5mg per day but don't really feel anything and not sure if they are helping or not. I eat and sleep well. Don't have much energy, although it is slowly coming back but I'm on vacation so I can rest as much as I want. I was expecting and getting myself ready for much much worse but am I out of the woods yet or should I expect things to take a turn for the worse soon? Should I be prepared for coming depression/cravings, etc?
 
cygnusx said:
So I spoke too soon. My connection kept 10 80mg pills. He doled them out to me 2 at a time per week. So I was taking roughly 23mg per day for 5 weeks. After they were gone, I had few 5mg hydro and 1 per day was enough to make me feel ok. I figured that is about as much as I could taper so I took last dose of roughly 20mg oxy which I kept for final hooray on Sunday @ noon. It's 9:30 Wednesday morning so about 72 hours without any opiates. So far, I had diarrhea only once so I didn't even get Imodium. Same connection did give me 8 10mg valium and I've been taking 5mg per day but don't really feel anything and not sure if they are helping or not. I eat and sleep well. Don't have much energy, although it is slowly coming back but I'm on vacation so I can rest as much as I want. I was expecting and getting myself ready for much much worse but am I out of the woods yet or should I expect things to take a turn for the worse soon? Should I be prepared for coming depression/cravings, etc?
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The Valium will definitely be helping with the fairly debilitating anxiety that comes with Withdrawals.

You have done things the smart way, your taper was good, your eating right and also seeping. These are big hurdles but if you're managing them now then you are definitely on your way out of the woods.

For me the hardest thing is the cravings, dreams and thoughts of Opiates that manifests itself deep within you. This will most likely never fully go away although it will diminish.

Best of luck and stay strong, we're always here for a chat whatever happens.
 
Good job getting it as low as u have! It's gonna get worse once u can't dose for about 24hrs not gonna lie to u. When I kicked many moons ago I just made my mind up and did it, the mental side is sooo important. Just keep at it and you'll be fine in no time.
I'm in the same boat ATM and kicking my socks off, very bad times. I tried the immodium and it works really good at minimizing the worst wd symptoms like restless limbs at high doses. I took a box(24mgs)of loperamide(immodium) and I don't feel all that bad ATM so I'd definitely try immodium if it gets to be too much for u, I can see this stuff being a great tool for kicking. Next time I decide to kick I'm definitely gonna use this stuff! Keep plugging away bro you'll be through it soon! Good luck!
 
Through my years of being semi-broke and having an addiction, I go through withdrawl seemingly every few months no matterr what I do, (supply runs dry/dealers phone is off/money issues etc.) Anyways, I have every supplement/vitamin/mineral you could possibly need barring illegal/prescription drugs to get through this. The top 5 that help me the most are.

L-Theanine w/ Relora - You'll forget the woes

L-Tyrosine - Clears your mind and helps post on here :)

Superdosing Vitamin C - (it's working for me now, check the topic and especially read my post about 9 comments down: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...C-for-opiate-withdrawal-has-anyone-tried-this) It's still up in the air.

Super B complex - relaxes you and gives you strength

Vitamin D - you're generally inside a lot, away from the sun during withdrawl, if you don't have plentiful sunlight, intake Vitamin D to enhance your overall well being.

*note* These things will not totally eliminate the bad/severe withdrawls, but will make it so much easier, I am even posting in the worst of it right now.

AND WORKOUT! Lift weights, lean your back against the wall (reading the magazine) and get those legs burning to combat the restless legs. Exercising will pump endorphins into your system, and the more you workout the easier it gets. Also just maintaining focus on other recovering people will help yourself, so read as much as you can on here about other people's hellish stories to get you through this and makes your situation seem better.

If you can find the workout supplement that includes Nitric Oxide (L-Arganine) it helps relieve the WD and will energize you, there is research being done that shows L-Arganine kicks the WD's ass. (Don't take before bedtime) And lastly, pomegranate juice and avocados will supply you with loads of nutrients.

Man I am pulling for you, you can do this, it might take a few falls before you figure it out, but that's part of the learning process. Even I am fairly new, just a nerd that has to know everything. :)
 
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regfairfield said:
honestly a 50 mg a day oxy habit shouldnt be that bad of a withdrawal , esp if tapered down slowly. Finding out the root cause of the addiction, now that will take some time and overall long term sobriety will be the hardest part.
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Imho he just told his root cause of addiction as he provides for his family.

I couldn't bear that without drugs as I would all the fucking time think whst if I screw up in work and end unemployed...
 
So I haven't used any opiates in about a week. While I've prepared myself for the worst, there were no physical withdrawal symptoms. None. Slept like a log, ate well, no rls, no diarrhea/vomiting, not even a runny nose. I did have some temperature fluctuation in my body. Cold then hot then cold but that wasn't hard to deal with. I took Valium twice @ 5mg per day but it didn't do anything and I really didn't need it so I kept the rest. I'd like to think I'm lucky but I'm also apprehensive to celebrate too early. I was depressed for a few days and had no energy but feel much better now. I've read that paws is relatively rare so I'm hoping I won't run into that in a couple of weeks. I did use daily for months which is why I'm surprised that this wasn't much much worse. There is, of course, an urge to use but I came clean to my wife and there's no going back now. I'll keep you guys updated if things go south. Just wanted to say to all of you for your support and advice. I'd probably still be using oxy and moved on to h by now if I hadn't read about struggles and horrors of that addiction on this forum. I'll still check this site and, although my experience is limited, offer advice to people in similar situations.
 
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