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Frumious Bandersnatch
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Meeeeeee great book. And the vast, vast majority of Americans treatment is shit compared to the care provided in more mature cultures, so I tend to agree with him.
I have been an intern in a USA rehab facility for most of 2016 and get to see firsthand how it all works. One counselor told me that in ten years she has had less than ten people who call her and let her know things turned out well. I like the idea he presents about giving addicts dignity with housing, free drugs, and injection sites.Meeeeeee great book. And the vast, vast majority of Americans treatment is shit compared to the care provided in more mature cultures, so I tend to agree with him.
If I didn't know better I'd say you are trolling this thread Ne0. Take it elsewhere.
You gotta find the right rehab treatment for it to work, I'm not religious so 12step backfired with, but works wonders for some people, but sitting in a AA/NA is extremely fuckin helpful, I mean your sitting with people that got the same problems as you. I would say addiction is more of a condition than a disease. I also think it's heriditary, I'm a 5th generation opiate abuser, that has loomed over my head everyday since my little boy was born, I hope he's stronger than the rest of the family tree
"The question is frequently asked: Why does a man become a drug addict?
The answer is that he usually does not intend to become an addict. You don’t wake up one morning and decide to be a drug addict. It takes at least three months’ shooting twice a day to get any habit at all. And you don’t really know what junk sickness is until you have had several habits. It took me almost six months to get my first habit, and then the withdrawal symptoms were mild. I think it no exaggeration to say it takes about a year and several hundred injections to make an addict."- William S. Burroughs
Im glad your confident in your will power, just be carefull or you'll never realize one day that confidence turned into the little voice backstabbing reasoning in your head. Eventually it will, it may take years, but it happens to us all. Have you ever seen a full blown herion addict or alcoholic go into WDs? They don't get "sick" or depressed, they'll die right if they don't get a fix.. I saw a junkie fall out up in Vermont years ago, some lady called 911, another junkie started a rig right there beside us, this chick was calling him all sorts of trash and he never broke concentration. He hopped up and stuck the guy that layed out right in the neck, slapped his face and took off running. We freaked, thought he just murdered this dude, but paramedics told us he saved his life, a shot to his arm wouldn't have circulated fast enough to save him. He was awake when they wheeled him off.
rehabs can help restore your life.... Detox centers can save it
Rehabs are useless, I've quit everything by myself. In here rehab centers don't even offer any help (like benzos or lyricas for opiate WD), so I bought medicine from black market. If you believe addiction being disease you are sheep who can't think for yourself. NA/AA are totally useless what use there is for gathering to talk about drugs? You need to move on in you're life.
Damn, I really need to learn to bite my tongue sometimes. . .
Ne0 - we are 100% on the same page now, I can see. Rehabs and detoxes rarely do more than fail patients in America, and then they end up turning around and blaming the client for relapsing! Disgusting.
I blame prohibition and the War on Drugs. Makes scapegoating drugs, making them out to be the bad guy, when in fact there is no bad guy (except perhaps the mafia, cartels and gangsters! but even they are a product of the War on Drugs) has done so, so much harm. It turns treatment into a three ring circus, making it impotent and generally counterproductive.
That all said, there are good treatments out there. They are just super hard to find. And they still have a long way to go. The state of treatment in America is pretty sad.
Play nice guys. I really, really don't want to have to close this thread.
I understood what NeO was trying say, I just don't agree that the programs are completely useless, they may be a cash grab by the states, but they can help some peols
I think alot of the problem with rehabs is the difficulty of separating the good programs that maintain a 7 percent success rate from the awful programs that struggle to get 3 percent sober. I know 4 percent seems trivial but the difference is night and day. The good programs teach you the basis for living a manageble life that you don't simply forget when you relapse. I didn't take the advice of the first rehab I went too but evertime I need to clean up I use some of the stuff I learned there which to me makes it a success. The other rehab I went too was a joke that I am still working to forget about. It made me want to never get sober.
I don't know if that awakes sense. It's a complicated issue.