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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Addiction In Families

I beg to differ.

I don’t think the higher drinking rates are due to this metabolism thing you’re talking about. I know for a fact that it’s due to intergenerational trauma. 😢
You do not know it for a fact, lol.

It's clear that there is generational trauma, but it is not a fact that this is the direct and only cause of alcoholism in that demographic

The metabolism issue referred to by the other poster, well that's not the only cause either regardless of the veracity of the metabolism claim

Addiction is far more complex than that - many many factors plus individual chemistry and experience
 
Is it the same for aboriginal people?
Loads of them are fucked on drink and drugs too?
Do they have different genetics?
 
The op is concerned that her daughter will fall into drug addiction due to the parents addict past.
The op is a pornstar. Does anyone know how pornstars kids get on with drugs? Is there higher cases of addiction amongst pornstars kids when they grow up.
I could see having a pornstar mom being potentially a head fuck
 
^^

Well if they move forward into a well adjusted happy healthy situation then it can be kind of cool. Everybody has to work. Duh.

Just saying though. Maybe they really are happy. And that's what it seems like. That's what is Important. Good Day <3
 
I beg to differ.

I don’t think the higher drinking rates are due to this metabolism thing you’re talking about. I know for a fact that it’s due to intergenerational trauma. Residential schools played a big part of it (Severe abuse took place there and SA) Being ripped away from their family, stolen land, children being torn from their parents, not allowed to speak their language, loss of spiritual practices, and loss of their culture. It’s all around just completely heart breaking. 😢

This is it.

I metabolize alcohol very quickly too. I metabolize everything quickly but especially alcohol. I’m not an alcoholic. But I can drink 10+ shots in a night with zero tolerance. And when I was younger I been known to down a liter to myself.

While speed of metabolism plays a part, trauma plays a MUCH bigger part.

I'm sorry but I call bullshit on your boohoo "native Americans have been traumatized by what the white man did to them".

I got one for you! "I'm a native American raised on a reservation where my people didn't force me to go to college even though I could have went for free. So I didn't get a good education. I don't have any skills that are useful to earn a living so I sit my fat ass on welfare, on the reservation where there's nothing else to do but drink do meth or fuck"

" Now the halfway intelligent members of my tribe went to college made something of themselves and now make a fucking killing on the casinos"

Take that self-serving bullshit and sell it to someone else.

There are higher rates of alcohol abuse in the native American population because there is a genetic predisposition to higher metabolism which drives an organism to indulge in higher consumption to get the same effect. This is simple biology, it is not for debate.

It's the same reason why a lot of Asian people don't drink, because they have an enzyme that doesn't metabolize either alcohol or a metabolite of alcohol that builds up and gives a horrible reaction in the body.

You are so ignorant it’s hard to read. The fact you bring up natives “making a killing at casinos” shows just how ignorant you actually are. If you traveled (and I’m sure you’ll respond that you have, cuz you’ve done everything that helps your counterpoint haven’t you lol) you’d see reservations in this country in absolute squalor. Only a tiny minority actually make money off the casinos, and while some do escape (same as some escape the ghettos) most do not.

Quicker metabolism is a drop in the bucket compared to what the US government has done to these poor people. When you’re getting sterilized without your consent even as late as the 70’s, there’s some real fucked up shit going on.

And for the love of god quit acting like some authority on debate and factoids that are more often wrong than not from you. You’re the guy that tells everyone all meth is pure as can be, then gets a bad batch and all sudden it must be a nationwide issue. It’s ironic.. Cuz whatever happens to you is apparently what’s happening to everyone. You are insufferable.

-GC
 
This is it.

I metabolize alcohol very quickly too. I metabolize everything quickly but especially alcohol. I’m not an alcoholic. But I can drink 10+ shots in a night with zero tolerance. And when I was younger I been known to down a liter to myself.

While speed of metabolism plays a part, trauma plays a MUCH bigger part.



You are so ignorant it’s hard to read. The fact you bring up natives “making a killing at casinos” shows just how ignorant you actually are. If you traveled (and I’m sure you’ll respond that you have, cuz you’ve done everything that helps your counterpoint haven’t you lol) you’d see reservations in this country in absolute squalor. Only a tiny minority actually make money off the casinos, and while some do escape (same as some escape the ghettos) most do not.

Quicker metabolism is a drop in the bucket compared to what the US government has done to these poor people. When you’re getting sterilized without your consent even as late as the 70’s, there’s some real fucked up shit going on.

And for the love of god quit acting like some authority on debate and factoids that are more often wrong than not from you. You’re the guy that tells everyone all meth is pure as can be, then gets a bad batch and all sudden it must be a nationwide issue. It’s ironic.. Cuz whatever happens to you is apparently what’s happening to everyone. You are insufferable.

-GC

That's interesting and it's also bullshit because the largest proportion of "problem" youth drinkers are recreational drinkers NOT drinkers that have mental or psychological problems for whatever reason:

There's also a cultural historical, his tradition of drinking very very large amounts of alcohol.


"Compared with the limited available data on drinking by Indian adults, ongoing school-based surveys have provided a relatively complete picture of drinking among Indian youth since 1975 (Beauvais 1996). In 1993, 71 percent of Indian youth from grades 7 to 12 reported having ever used alcohol, and 55 percent reported having ever been drunk. Approximately 34 percent of this age group reported having been drunk within the past month. About the same proportion of Indian and non-Indian youth in grades 7 to 12 had ever tried alcohol in their lifetime. When Indian youth drank, however, they appeared to drink in heavier amounts and experience more negative consequences from their drinking than did their non-Indian peers (Oetting and Beauvais 1989).
Unlike the rates of illicit drug use, which tend to fluctuate over time, alcohol use among Indian youth has remained stable since 1975. Although tribal differences in drinking exist for adults, Indian adolescents seem to drink at similar levels regardless of tribe. In addition, higher levels of alcohol use have been found among Indian youth who live on reservations (Beauvais 1992), youth who attend boarding schools (Dick et al. 1993), and school dropouts (Beauvais et al. 1996).
Among both Indian and non-Indian adolescents, drug and alcohol use are much more tightly coupled than they are among adults. Nearly all adolescent drug users also use alcohol, and more than one-half of adolescent alcohol users use drugs at some level. It is likely that adolescent drug use and adolescent alcohol use have many of the same causes and consequences. Data from school surveys generally indicate that drug use is higher among Indian youth compared with non-Indian youth for nearly all drugs and that marijuana use in particular is significantly higher among Indian youth. In 1993, for instance, nearly 50 percent of Indian students in grades 7 to 12 admitted to having ever used marijuana (Beauvais 1996), whereas the rate for non-Indian youth of the same age was just 12 percent (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration 1994).
Many researchers (Mail and McDonald 1980; May 1996) have reported a style of drinking frequently engaged in by both Indian youth and adults in which drinkers consume large amounts of alcohol in a short period of time and continue drinking until the supply is gone. This pattern—consuming five or more drinks in one session—is often called “binge drinking.” Furthermore, notable sharing of alcohol takes place among people drinking together. This pattern has been attributed to the early modeling of European colonists previously mentioned as well as to the effects of prohibition, which encouraged rapid drinking to avoid the detection and confiscation of alcohol. This style of drinking is only one of a wide range of styles practiced within Indian communities; aside from the research conducted by May (1995), however, little has been done to characterize the various patterns.
Building on the work of Ferguson (1968), May (1995) proposed that at least two patterns of alcohol abuse exist within Indian groups.

“Anxiety drinkers” are chronic, heavy drinkers who exhibit a wide variety of medical, social, and psychological problems. They have minimal involvement in their traditional Indian culture and show little competency in meeting the demands of the majority culture (e.g., maintaining employment). Early alcohol-related mortality is common among this group.


In contrast, “recreational drinkers” engage in binge drinking less frequently than anxiety drinkers do, but they consume extremely high quantities when they do drink. (Although May termed this style of drinking “recreational drinking,” other researchers and treatment professionals have called it “problem,” “binge,” and “heavy episodic” drinking.) Although when not drinking, recreational drinkers can function fairly well in other areas of their lives, they do experience many alcohol-related consequences, with accidents of all types being the most common. Proportionally, recreational drinkers are the largest group of Indian alcohol abusers (about two-thirds of all heavy drinkers according to May [1996]) and thus account for the largest number of alcohol-related problems in Indian communities."


So if you read the article, you'll actually discover that native American tribes, mainly in the north decided to adopt binge drinking from the European colonists.

This style of drinking consist of consumption of very large amounts of alcohol, usually until the alcohol is completely consumed and there's none left to drink.

According to the article above the majority of problem drinkers consider the drinking recreational and don't have a comorbid mental illness or condition.

Don't blame me for knowing what the literature and people who have studied this issue. The conclusions they have come to.
 
And nothing I posted is minimizing the way that native Americans have historically been treated by the US government.

However, the majority of native Americans are generations off the reservation and have been provided an enormous amount of benefits if they wanted to take advantage of them to make up for the poor historical treatment.

Of course, people use substances because of emotional trauma, but that's not the only reason people use substances and it's certainly not the defining factor for addiction.

Almost every single one of my friends in the social group I grew up with, including myself drank because there's nothing else to fucking do out in the country, and because it was fun, and then I drank copious amounts because it covered up my inability to interact socially because of ASD.

MY ABILITY TO QUICKLY METABOLIZE ALCOHOL I SAW AS A BADGE OF HONOR AND ATTEMPTED TO DRINK MORE AND MORE AS A WAY TO SHOW OFF.

Unfortunately, that bathed my receptors in much higher amounts than a normal person would have consumed because I'm talking about 24 to 36 beers at a party and I'd I'd be mainly sober by the morning.

That pattern of binge drinking is also evident in Indian youth. Wow! I have native American ancestry and I've binge drink and there is an identified genetic capability to metabolize alcohol quickly in native American Indians and they binge drink more often than not.

Coincidental? I think not! I think it's causal regarding transitioning from alcohol abuse to addiction.
 
That distinction makes ZERO sense. Ethanol is just another psychoactive drug. Just because we label it differently because it's legal and other commonly used substances aren't, doesn't put it in some special category.

Treating alcohol differently from other drugs also doesn't check out in terms of the general theme of people getting off it just to switch to something else and vice versa. The only observable commonality I see is that some people appear to have some inherent desire to change their mental state by whatever means are available to them, while others don't.
Sorry to burst your bubble. But alcoholism has been proven to be genetic by scientists and certain groups are predisposed by genetics. There is a gene, and it is hereditary.
 
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There is a gene, and it is hereditary.
Alcoholism definitely has hereditary factors, but there is no single "alcoholism gene."

If you read the studies carefully you'll see that they identify a group of genes that make a person predisposed to alcoholism.

Like many other things, it's not all nature nor all nurture. Heredity and environment work together.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble. But alcoholism has been proven to be genetic by scientists and certain groups are predisposed by genetics. There is a gene, and it is hereditary.

Has been 'proven' to be genetic like being gay has been 'proven' to be genetic. As in yes there's SOME genetic factors involved. Like there is in literally EVERYTHING.

If anything the genetic correlation for homosexuality seems more solid than the equivalent for the propensity to imbibe alcohol in inordinate amounts.



PS just for the record I am solidly bisexual AND I have an unhealthy excessive relationship with alcohol. I can totally envisage a time /situation in my life where I would not feel like I require alcohol to have a good time. I CANNOT envisage a point where I would not be attracted to men as well as women.
 
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I don't want to go blowing everyone effin' mind right now, but is the most logical answer to this Native American/Drinking issue is that multiple factors are involved?

I believe that the majority of the aboriginal isssues surrounding Alcohol and other drugs is due to their disenfranchisement, alienation and lack of purpose are the primary drivers for their issues with substances. I've heard and read various studies discussing the native genetic predisposition to Alcoholism. Perhaps this is true, perhaps not.

We erased their culture, rewrote their history and taught over the course of generations how to hate your self and your people. I'm pretty sure this easily explains why addiction became such a problem (and still is).

I think we're gonna have to move this one guys. It's not really Harm Reduction material suitable for BDD, though I'm not saying there is no place for it her on BL. My first thought was the recovery forum but I'm open to suggestions.
 
I'm sorry but I call bullshit on your boohoo "native Americans have been traumatized by what the white man did to them".

I got one for you! "I'm a native American raised on a reservation where my people didn't force me to go to college even though I could have went for free. So I didn't get a good education. I don't have any skills that are useful to earn a living so I sit my fat ass on welfare, on the reservation where there's nothing else to do but drink do meth or fuck"

" Now the halfway intelligent members of my tribe went to college made something of themselves and now make a fucking killing on the casinos"

Take that self-serving bullshit and sell it to someone else.

There are higher rates of alcohol abuse in the native American population because there is a genetic predisposition to higher metabolism which drives an organism to indulge in higher consumption to get the same effect. This is simple biology, it is not for debate.

It's the same reason why a lot of Asian people don't drink, because they have an enzyme that doesn't metabolize either alcohol or a metabolite of alcohol that builds up and gives a horrible reaction in the body.

This is a drug discussion forum, no need to be so aggressive or combative.

@G_Chem summed up the tone of your posts pretty well in the following:

And for the love of god quit acting like some authority on debate and factoids that are more often wrong than not from you. You’re the guy that tells everyone all meth is pure as can be, then gets a bad batch and all sudden it must be a nationwide issue. It’s ironic.. Cuz whatever happens to you is apparently what’s happening to everyone. You are insufferable.

And you confirmed what I suspected (which often is the case with posters like you):

because it covered up my inability to interact socially because of ASD.

Which is fine -- all are welcome to post here on Bluelight -- but you need to soften your tone on here. People that visit Bluelight inherently have a variety of underlying issues, and unnecessarily combative discussions (especially in the more serious subforums, such as this one) have the potential to stress out people who may already be struggling with a variety of issues. There is no need to get heated in these subforums, and while I realize autism spectrum disorders have a tendency to cause people to act in certain ways, but we need a calm and measured tone in these conversations. Don't make me start taking disciplinary actions against you (because I don't like disciplining grown-ass adults) but we really can't have you stressing people out where it's not necessary. More important than being right or wrong is being civil and compassionate here. I know people on the spectrum can have trouble with the right and wrong thing (i.e., a need to be right at all costs, etc.). but we require that everyone treat each other nicely and civilly here (especially in these more serious subforums).
 
Has been 'proven' to be genetic like being gay has been 'proven' to be genetic. As in yes there's SOME genetic factors involved. Like there is in literally EVERYTHING.

If anything the genetic correlation for homosexuality seems more solid than the equivalent for the propensity to imbibe alcohol in inordinate amounts.



PS just for the record I am solidly bisexual AND I have an unhealthy excessive relationship with alcohol. I can totally envisage a time /situation in my life where I would not feel like I require alcohol to have a good time. I CANNOT envisage a point where I would not be attracted to men as well as women.
There is more too the world than you
 
This is a drug discussion forum, no need to be so aggressive or combative.

@G_Chem summed up the tone of your posts pretty well in the following:



And you confirmed what I suspected (which often is the case with posters like you):



Which is fine -- all are welcome to post here on Bluelight -- but you need to soften your tone on here. People that visit Bluelight inherently have a variety of underlying issues, and unnecessarily combative discussions (especially in the more serious subforums, such as this one) have the potential to stress out people who may already be struggling with a variety of issues. There is no need to get heated in these subforums, and while I realize autism spectrum disorders have a tendency to cause people to act in certain ways, but we need a calm and measured tone in these conversations. Don't make me start taking disciplinary actions against you (because I don't like disciplining grown-ass adults) but we really can't have you stressing people out where it's not necessary. More important than being right or wrong is being civil and compassionate here. I know people on the spectrum can have trouble with the right and wrong thing (i.e., a need to be right at all costs, etc.). but we require that everyone treat each other nicely and civilly here (especially in these more serious subforums).
I never attacked the person. I called the argument bullshit. I called the premise "boohoo the white man did such horrible things to the Indians".

I was very careful to not attack the person but instead attack the message which is fair game.

Can you point out where I attacked the person instead of the message?
 
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