Addiction In Families

[Jnowhere]

Not sure about oxy, people in pain it is different than recreational

 

[kiely]

I am physically addicted to benzos and will die if I suddenly stop

Yes. I got involved with those too.

I almost took one right before I found my cetirizine.

I'm blessed !

 

[kiely]

Ye don’t just stop

Oh it will hurt



Edit: bye

 

[Soso78]

I was supposed to be dead so I got on a bunch of drugs, but I should have died 7 years ago

Why should u have died?

 

[kiely]

Cirrhosis of the liver, given one year too live in December 2015 a few weeks after my mom died of it. She was found in the master bedroom halfway to the bathroom on the floor dead

Are you doing alright now !! ?

 

[Soso78]

Cirrhosis of the liver, given one year too live in December 2015 a few weeks after my mom died of it. She was found in the master bedroom halfway to the bathroom on the floor dead

I’d be fuming with the drs.

 

[snmfmy]

How do u know it’s genetic? Aren’t lots of indigenous living in poverty? Maybe it’s a social problem not genetic?

Because native Americans metabolize alcohol much more quickly than Caucasians or people of African descent.

That's not an opinion. It's an identified fact.

Ethanol metabolism in male American Indians and whites - PubMed

Ethanol metabolism rates were investigated in a group of 17 male American Indians and a group of 17 male whites of similar age, education, weight, and drinking history. A moderate dose of alcohol (0.52 g/kg) was administered orally to each subject, and blood alcohol levels were determined by...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Faster metabolism means the effects wear off much faster than Caucasians or African Americans. Therefore, native Americans would drink more to get the same effect and that compounding action leads to a reward feedback loop that causes much higher rates of alcoholism.

 

[Soso78]

Because native Americans metabolize alcohol much more quickly than Caucasians or people of African descent.

That's not an opinion. It's an identified fact.

Ethanol metabolism in male American Indians and whites - PubMed

Ethanol metabolism rates were investigated in a group of 17 male American Indians and a group of 17 male whites of similar age, education, weight, and drinking history. A moderate dose of alcohol (0.52 g/kg) was administered orally to each subject, and blood alcohol levels were determined by...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Faster metabolism means the effects wear off much faster than Caucasians or African Americans. Therefore, native Americans would drink more to get the same effect and that compounding action leads to a reward feedback loop that causes much higher rates of alcoholism.

Well there u go then. I never knew that.

 

[Soso78]

Well there u go then. I never knew that.

Think I might be Native American

 

[snmfmy]

Think I might be Native American

I actually do have native American ancestry. I can drink a shot of 80 proof liquor every half hour all night. And not get drunk. It was like that when I was 18 years old and had just started drinking.

I used to use my ability to drink football players under the table and win money.

I can tell you it definitely leads to alcoholism because that was me for 30 years.

 

[Jnowhere]

Think I might be Native American

What tribe, and do you have a tribal birth certificate?

 

[Soso78]

What tribe, and do you have a tribal birth certificate?

Comanche.

 

[snmfmy]

No, I need more oxycodone but the state of Michigan keeps lowering what doctors can prescribe. You wouldn't expect this from a blue state, but Michigan is odd in some ways.

Really when did they do that?

Michigan put a limit of 7 days for the treatment of acute pain, but that doesn't apply to people with a chronic pain condition. But that was in 2018.

Other than the 7-day limit for acute pain, I can't find any legislation enacted by the state of Michigan to limit what doctors can prescribe with respect to opioid drugs.

In fact, if you go to Michigan's guidance for prescribers page, it defers to the CDC dosage guidelines.

https://www.michigan.gov/opioids/health-professionals/prescribers

Perhaps your doctor told you that because they want to give you less opiates.

 

[snmfmy]

What tribe, and do you have a tribal birth certificate?

Cherokee and no, it's from three or four generations back.

My grandmother was somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 because her mother was somewhere between half and more.

 

[Neuroprotection]

anyone heard about the rat park Study done in the 1970s I think. basically, It suggested that addiction was not biological or neurochemical, but rather a deficiency of certain environmental needs that people then seek from drugs. this is because in the study, caged rats, given a choice between cocaine or heroin laced water and pure water would always choose the drug solution. then, when their environment was enriched with novel objects, Other friendly rodents and opposite sex partners they apparently didn’t bother with the drugs anymore. it sounds good on paper, and there is a clear link between socioeconomic deprivation and addiction risk. unfortunately, it’s not so simple with humans. A substance users, i’m sure we all use our drugs of choice recreationally, even when all our basic needs are satisfied. maybe I’m pretty drug naive, only ever used caffeine and nicotine. nicotine is probably the closest to an illegal or at least highly addictive drug. for example, I find it extremely rewarding and reinforcing and it helps me to cope with stress and fight procrastination. in my experience, nicotine certainly feels like welcome support when I’m stressed, but once that stressor is over I don’t have an ounce of desire to quit nicotine. In fact, nicotine feels even better when I’m not stressed. maybe my circumstances are different given that pure tobacco free, nicotine has no major social consequences, but in away, I am living as an opportunistic drug user who would use the substance every day if I had a chance. this is because I’m blind and rely on my family to help make purchases, since I’m not a smoker, I don’t think they would approve me trying to buy a 150 MG nicotine pouch whether that be for pleasure or to get through the horrors of work.

I do think mindset plays a huge role in addiction susceptibility. For example, some people have an innate dislike of being under the influence or otherwise having their desires controlled by a substance, even if that be minor and harmless. Of course, no one wants a heroin addiction that will drive them to steal their families money, but some people are simply revolted by the idea that’s a mild substance could cause them to want it repeatedly and they might fall for its cravings. i’m the complete opposite, I have no qualms being addicted to a substance, and taking it all my life, so long as it doesn’t destroy my morals or screw up my brain health.
I think one of my brothers will be someone possibly protected against addiction to certain things, both for biological and psychological reasons. in terms of biology, he has an extremely negative reaction to nicotine, becoming very dizzy and almost vomiting. psychologically, he’s always had a negative outlook on brain altering substances, especially those people claim have functional properties like nicotine, amphetamine and deprenyl. he often says things like “why would you want to put something in your body“,“why would you let a substance control you“,“why can’t you be a man and just get through work”.
Normally, I wouldn’t be able to get on with anyone like that, but my brother is different. Despite disagreeing, he’s willing to listen to my arguments. he also admits his own flaws and weaknesses and does not pretend to be someone he is not.

 

[jasperkent]

Researchers discover group of genes that influence pain and brain communication can also influence alcohol use disorder risk

An estimated 16 million people in the United States have alcohol use disorders (AUDs), according to the National Institutes on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA).

medicine.iu.edu

Alcohol dependence, psychiatric disorders share genetic links

Key alcoholism gene influences how quickly body metabolizes alcohol

medicine.wustl.edu

Scientists Reveal Genetic Architecture Underlying Alcohol, Cigarette Abuse | Newsroom

UNC School of Medicine researchers led by Hyejung Won, PhD, used a new kind of computational tool to parse the complicated genetics that put some people at higher risk of becoming addicted to alcohol, cigarettes, and likely other substances of abuse.

news.unchealthcare.org

 

[jasperkent]

Jnowhere said: I don't know that there is a genetic predisposition to drug use, but alcoholism, definitely.

That distinction makes ZERO sense.

Actually, it makes a LOT of sense.

Unlike most other drugs, alcohol has been used & abused worldwide for tens of thousands of years. It is also the most popular drug of abuse, so there's more research and more evidence out there.

Addiction to other drugs may (and probably does) have a genetic component. But we know for a fact that it is true with alcoholism.

 

[Northerngyal]

Because native Americans metabolize alcohol much more quickly than Caucasians or people of African descent.

That's not an opinion. It's an identified fact.

Ethanol metabolism in male American Indians and whites - PubMed

Ethanol metabolism rates were investigated in a group of 17 male American Indians and a group of 17 male whites of similar age, education, weight, and drinking history. A moderate dose of alcohol (0.52 g/kg) was administered orally to each subject, and blood alcohol levels were determined by...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Faster metabolism means the effects wear off much faster than Caucasians or African Americans. Therefore, native Americans would drink more to get the same effect and that compounding action leads to a reward feedback loop that causes much higher rates of alcoholism.

I beg to differ.

I don’t think the higher drinking rates are due to this metabolism thing you’re talking about. I know for a fact that it’s due to intergenerational trauma. Residential schools played a big part of it (Severe abuse took place there and SA) Being ripped away from their family, stolen land, children being torn from their parents, not allowed to speak their language, loss of spiritual practices, and loss of their culture. It’s all around just completely heart breaking.

 

[snmfmy]

I beg to differ.

I don’t think the higher drinking rates are due to this metabolism thing you’re talking about. I know for a fact that it’s due to intergenerational trauma. Residential schools played a big part of it (Severe abuse took place there and SA) Being ripped away from their family, stolen land, children being torn from their parents, not allowed to speak their language, loss of spiritual practices, and loss of their culture. It’s all around just completely heart breaking.

I'm sorry but I call bullshit on your boohoo "native Americans have been traumatized by what the white man did to them".

I got one for you! "I'm a native American raised on a reservation where my people didn't force me to go to college even though I could have went for free. So I didn't get a good education. I don't have any skills that are useful to earn a living so I sit my fat ass on welfare, on the reservation where there's nothing else to do but drink do meth or fuck"

" Now the halfway intelligent members of my tribe went to college made something of themselves and now make a fucking killing on the casinos"

Take that self-serving bullshit and sell it to someone else.

There are higher rates of alcohol abuse in the native American population because there is a genetic predisposition to higher metabolism which drives an organism to indulge in higher consumption to get the same effect. This is simple biology, it is not for debate.

It's the same reason why a lot of Asian people don't drink, because they have an enzyme that doesn't metabolize either alcohol or a metabolite of alcohol that builds up and gives a horrible reaction in the body.

 

[snmfmy]

And let me be clear, there is a difference between alcohol abuse and addiction.

I know many people don't realize there is a distinction but there is.

An alcohol abuser is not necessarily an addict. Because a weekend binge drinking at a frat house party Doesn't make you an addict, but it does make you an alcohol abuser.

And there are people that are physically addicted to three or four drinks a day and most people would not consider a glass or two of wine with lunch and dinner abuse. Europeans would consider it a light drinking day.