Damn, the motor speech thing being associated with 25i is a bummer. Really hope most people are safe from it.
Hey uh are NBOMe compounds actually verified to cause vascular issues like constriction ? I thought that was mostly things like Bromo-Dragonfly? What was said on the previous page is that seizures themselves can cause complications in autonomic function... much more tentative and indirect?
Haven't personally heard about say gangrene and limb amputations from NBOMe victims.
Apologies if I've missed something, but I believe I read all your posts and I'm still not sure how you know what you took, 25i or otherwise. Without some objective test, or the guy who sold it to you admitting he misrepresented the product, there's simply no way to ID something so specific as 25i from comparing subjective effects/after effects from what you happen to come across online or anywhere else that seems to vaguely agree with your symptoms or confirm what you may already have suspected. Maybe you just had a bad LSD trip and you're a hypochondriac who has succumbed to the availability heuristic and confirmation bias (all common and natural)?You mean you read a bunch of stuff and guessed you took 25i. So actually you don't know what you took. There are numerous nbome and nboh chemicals out there, pretty sure it's impossible to just guess which one you took based on reading other people's reports.Winchester77 said:Next day do my research find it out its 25i
Apologies if I've missed something, but I believe I read all your posts and I'm still not sure how you know what you took, 25i or otherwise. Without some objective test, or the guy who sold it to you admitting he misrepresented the product, there's simply no way to ID something so specific as 25i from comparing subjective effects/after effects from what you happen to come across online or anywhere else that seems to vaguely agree with your symptoms or confirm what you may already have suspected. Maybe you just had a bad LSD trip and you're a hypochondriac who has succumbed to the availability heuristic and confirmation bias (all common and natural)?
Read all the amazing findings of placebo studies. For example, sham acupuncture (where the needles are sunk above where they are supposed to be in the skin according to acupuncturists) is just as effective as traditional acupuncture, which has significant effects. But acupuncture also involves invasively penetrating tissue, a ritual, ancient knowledge, attentive care, etc. All these are factors that make placebos more powerful (likewise a big placebo pill is more powerful than a small one, inactive injections more so than sugar pills, sham surgeries profoundly more effective (yes, back in the good old days before ethics committees), etc).
Psychedelics are extremely powerful compounds, and we should expect an extreme degree of placebo effect associated with them, likely compounded negatively by other psychological problems for those who suffer them, even to the degree you're experiencing. "Active placebos" -- that is, drugs that study participants can feel (say amphetamine in place of LSD) but are told is some other drug and in reaction to they report they've experienced the effects and aftereffects they were told they might expect of the drug they believe they took but really didn't, are especially powerful. I believe a few of the participants who received the compound in Ritalin and were told it was psilocybin in the famous John Hopkins study had life altering mystical experiences. That's how powerful placebo effects are. What if LSD was the quasi-active placebo acting on your belief that it must have been something more sinister because you had such a bad time?
Again, sorry if I missed something along with my3rdeye in the post quoted above. It's just that if you really can't know for sure that may be really good news, as what you're experiencing could be entirely psychological (entirely recoverable). There's no reason to feel ashamed if that's true. I'm certain everybody succumbs to the same or similar effect in a huge way in some area of life. I have.
I hear what you're saying. 25i is admittedly a good guess but so is 25c, any of the other NBxx, etc. I posted what I did because you seem to be leaning that direction yourself, at least with respect to parts of lingering issues. Also, it's much better if it is all in the head than due to the inevitable repercussions of chemically induced brain damage, right? Thinking about it that way could speed recovery.I'll respond to you because you sound genuinely interested in the idea. My3rdeye had too much dumb in his post (he posted on a shroomery thread i made with the same topic, but on that one he was more douchey) for me to respond to. It's called deductive reasoning, I've used the psychedelics LSD and shrooms extensively throughout my youth (from 18 to 21), and not in an irresponsible Im gonna party type of way (except maybe shrooms but only once), but a spiritual find the answers to myself and the universe type of way. I stopped using them because I had nothing left to learn.
I made a mistake when I was 23 (you can see whatever post i wrote down my story) and used shrooms and lsd to help combat the MASSIVE depression and psychological issues i was dealing with due to its therapeutic effects. LSD salvia and shrooms helped give me my life, sanity, and peace of mind back.
Bulletpoints:
The same way you ask how do you know it wasnt lsd, I ask you how do you know it was lsd?
My no longer dealer dealer says he doesnt know what the stuff i took was and wont speak more on the matter because hes, well, not a good person.
I have no problem admitting fault, shame is not something im ashamed of.
It wasnt lsd the same way a detective would know if the evidence was accurate, who the murderer in a crime scene was. Sure its possible an interdimensional space demon couldve came tore open a rift in the space time continuum and framed the suspect, but until ANY CONTRARY evidence proves otherwise I'll be smart instead of dumb.
Deductive reasoning. 25i is known to be sold as lsd, I suffered from seizures, a 15 min. duration between ingestion and the drug hitting (LSD has never hit that fast for me, EVER), my brain felt like it was on psycedelic meth as opposed to a regular, normal psychedelic like ive done numerous times before.
I had NO SUSPECT OF THIS BEING 25inbome until i did my research. SO I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO KNOW THE PLACEBO EFFECT SYMPTOMS TO SUFFER FROM BECAUSE I DIDNT KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF 25I UNTIL I MATCHED IT UP WITH THE SYMPTOMS I HAD AFTER INGESTING THIS QUOTE UNQUOTE UNKNOWN DRUG.
The same way you ask how do you know it wasnt lsd, I ask you how do you know it was lsd? (Cause this is the only point that matters)
Brevity is always the soul of wit, but im not as smart as i used to be so i wrote all that down.
Arguing against 3rdeye would be like arguing against a christian, which is like arguing against a wall. You cant argue against a made up mind (not directed at you psoo), and it is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain an idea without fully accepting it. Ive entertained the notion it was lsd, Ive decided it doesnt fit and thats my decision.
Anyway, apologies for the anger and anyone ive offended with my words. But man, wtf.