25 year old women arrested for having sex with three students

[TripSitterNZ]

Christ calm it down.

Here's my answer to pedophiles. Lock them away, treat them humanely, but lock them away for the good of society. For life.

In the end, it's expensive, but killing them in a way that can be legally and morally permissible is probably even more expensive and takes forever, and that's if you even accept that as a permissible form of justice.

All human beings who are in the custody of the state have a right to be treated humanely. Hell I don't care if you give the pedophiles premium cable. Just so long as they never see the outside of a prison again for the remainder of my life. No parole. And that's at first offense. You don't get to do it again.

That's my position. But I hold to the belief that the justice system doesn't exist to serve vengeance, I'm not sure I'd even say the justice system is about justice. It's about society, and protecting it from people who can't be trusted in the world with us.

So, lock them away and let that be it.

we will never be able to agree on this point and we have argued all last year about it. I have my view and you yours. It would be fine they got locked away forever with no parole but nope they are protected by the justice system here in NZ giving 2-4 years and in protected custody so my hood mates won't kill them in the jail. such bullshit the justice system serves to protect sex offenders even rapists are out after a few years. They should be all in jail for life in a cell with Chinese water torture or shot.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

It’s known fact that even if the criminal is isolated in society for sexual offenses they’ll still find a way to rape a woman or sexually molest and abuse a child, so why let them have that chance?

A habitual offender will never change, hence the words habitual and repeat, they are not needed nor need to be housed and fed even if they risk being killed by a fellow inmate or a vigilante on the street.

Let true justice prevail and execute the vermin before he gets his chance again.

That is very true 99% of pedophiles and sexual predators do continue to sexually abuse children/teens. Predators and pedophiles like Foreigner's teacher are the worst and find their victims at school like what happened with Foreignee when he was sexually and psychologically abused by a pedophile who should never be a teacher.

People who are sexually abused as children and teens who do not get help for it, or go into total denial thinking that sexual abuse of children/teens by adults is "harmless", when in reality all sexual abuse of minors by adults is harmful, become pedophiles.

 

[JessFR]

Protective custody is not exactly a picnic either.

You're right, we won't agree. I refuse to let monsters push me into wanting to commit monstrous acts.

I agree though we massively under sentence in Australia and nz with regards to sex offenders. If it were up to me you'd never get out. You pose too great a risk to everyone else.

 

[TripSitterNZ]

its fucking bullshit man that my mate is doing 8 years for selling drugs yet fucking sex offenders are let out after like what 2 years and given name supression so you wont even know if they move into your street. If somebody rapes somebody they should never ever be allowed outside of a cell ever again.

 

[JessFR]

People who are sexually abused as children and teens who do not get help for it, or go into total denial thinking that sexual abuse of children/teens by adults is "harmless", when in reality all sexual abuse of minors by adults is harmful, become pedophiles.

I almost said something last time this was brought up but decided to let it go, this time I'm gonna say something.

Yes, victims of sexual abuse can be at a higher risk of becoming sexual abusers, this is true, but it's by no means a majority. Whether they get help or not.

And for obvious reasons I don't much care for the suggestion that sexual abuse victims are themselves a danger to people. I actually once wrote a very nasty comment to a news outlet that ran a story like this.

 

[JessFR]

its fucking bullshit man that my mate is doing 8 years for selling drugs yet fucking sex offenders are let out after like what 2 years and given name supression so you wont even know if they move into your street. If somebody rapes somebody they should never ever be allowed outside of a cell ever again.

That much we can probably agree on. That rapists and pedophiles shouldn't ever be released that is.

If it's a serious sexual offense (like not someone urinating in public or something similarly stupid), that should be it. You forfeit your place in society with the rest of us for the remainder of your life.

That anyone has ever been a victim of a sexual offender who has been released after a previous sexual offense, is itself a profound failure on us as a society. The whole point of having a justice system is to prevent avoidable victimization by stopping offenders from reoffending.

And sex offenders are among the worst. Both in the nature of their crimes and their prospects of reoffending.

Pedophilia is a sickness we can't truly cure. All we can do is manage it by encouraging pedophiles who haven't yet offended to come forward and receive support, so that they don't offend.

I'm all on board with that, if you're a pedophile who hasn't offended yet I think you should have access to societies help to prevent you ever committing such a crime. You can't be jailed for having immoral thoughts, and prevention is better then retribution.

But if you do it, you're done. You don't get another chance, you get exactly one.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I almost said something last time this was brought up but decided to let it go, this time I'm gonna say something.

Yes, victims of sexual abuse can be at a higher risk of becoming sexual abusers, this is true, but it's by no means a majority. Whether they get help or not.

And for obvious reasons I don't much care for the suggestion that sexual abuse victims are themselves a danger to people. I actually once wrote a very nasty comment to a news outlet that ran a story like this.

I wrote that if child/teen victims of pedophiles or sexual abuse do not get help for it, often times they will become pedophiles or sexual predators.

 

[JessFR]

I wrote that if child/teen victims of pedophiles or sexual abuse do not get help for it, often times they will become pedophiles or sexual predators.

Sometimes, not the majority. The majority of all childhood abuse victims (not just sexual) do not end up abusing others, regardless of whether they get therapy or whatever.

Abuse victims are victims, they.. we.. don't need to feel like we're ticking time bombs who need to be kept away from other people.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Sometimes, not the majority. The majority of all childhood abuse victims (not just sexual) do not end up abusing others, regardless of whether they get therapy or whatever.

Abuse victims are victims, they.. we.. don't need to feel like we're ticking time bombs who need to be kept away from other people.

That is good that you do not want to hurt anyone

 

[JessFR]

That is good that you do not want to hurt anyone but I would not trust Foreigner around my juvenile/teen relatives or any teen/child.

Most abuse victims don't wanna hurt anyone.

Yes some abuse victims go on to abuse others, but most don't, I'd argue many abuse victims are especially disinclined to hurt others because of what they experienced.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Good than don’t. Insinuating that I or anyone else is a pedophile on a anonymous international drug discussion board is likely to really piss them off. So please stop that. Please use your manners in the future.

That goes for everyone here.

Thanks

I did not write that you are a pedophile.

However if someone-not you-describes sexual abuse they had as a child/teen from an adult teacher as being 'hot, harmless, etc.' It does make you wonder if they are a pedophile, or future pedophile/sexual predator as they did not get help for the trauma of being sexually abused as a kid/teen by an adult pedophile/sexual predator.

Why would or should anyone care about this other person's 'story" when they're under the delusion that the sexual abuse they experienced as a child/teen by an adult pedophile is harmless? They are also are protecting this pedophile by not telling police, child services, school administration, courts, etc. So he can continue to prey upon kids/teens and sexually abuse his students.

A guy I grew up with in school told everyone that his own mother showed him porn at a young age. I would go to his house and she had porn magazines, betamax/VHS tapes of porn lying around, etc. I never looked at them but she would openly talk about how my friend's dad had a small penis, and had some porn book about men with large cocks sitting out in their home. He would sing sex disco songs in our primary school and openly talk about sex to our teachers, or any adult. He later became a pedophile and was arrested for sexually abusing a young girl. I suspect his mother had sexually abused him. Had I known this I would have told my parents, the police, gotten him help, etc.

I was not raised by prudes or sex negative parents but they never showed me porn or talked openly about their sexual experiences, preferences, etc.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I understand that worry, but just because someone was molested as child (and remembers it as good experience) doesn’t mean that they themselves become a pedophile.

Pedophilia is actually really quite rare statistical in society. Real pedophiles are only attracted to prepubescent/ pubescent children exclusively. It is a mental sickness for which there is no “ethical” cure. It’s a real tough subject in psychology because there is no treatment that helps someone with pedophilia to stop their sexual attraction to little children. Eventually, they all end up acting on their desires.

I had to leave studying psychology in college because this really bothered me a lot. There are also some equally disturbing conditions that have no medical treatments. I wanted to be a social worker and was told that I may have to represent some of these people. I truly couldn’t represent these people if I would’ve been assigned one of them. I have an unethical desire to cull them from socially. I don’t hate them at all, I just want to remove them from society. That’s why I switched majors in college.

The pedophiles I have known were sexually attracted to children/teens but also to adults-many married women or men I guess for cover or to appear more 'normal'?

So I am not sure what they are called besides sexual predators or pedophiles?

Their wives/husbands/spouses/adult partners had no idea their partner/spouse/husband/wife is a pedophile or sexual predator towards children/teens until they were arrested and even then sometimes the husband/wife/spouse/partner went into complete denial that they were married/partnered to a pedophile/sexual predator that preys upon children and teens and is arrested for sexual abuse.

 

[Jabberwocky]

The pedophiles I have known were sexually attracted to children/teens but also to adults-many married women or men I guess for cover or to appear more 'normal'?

So I am not sure what they are called besides sexual predators or pedophiles?

Their wives/husbands/spouses/adult partners had no idea their partner/spouse/husband/wife is a pedophile or sexual predator towards children/teens until they were arrested and even then sometimes the husband/wife/spouse/partner went into complete denial that they were married/partnered to a pedophile/sexual predator that preys upon children and teens and is arrested for sexual abuse.

That’s actually quite common. Pedophiles are known to chase after and seduce single mothers as a step to gaining access to their children. They are not exclusively into children for the most part. Only for preference.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

That’s actually quite common. Pedophiles are known to chase after and seduce single mothers as a step to gaining access to their children. They are not exclusively into children for the most part. Only for preference.

Ok what about pedophiles or sexual predators of children/teens that marry or partner with men or women or another adult, have children with them or even adopt/foster children, and they sexually abuse children/teens, and have sexual attraction to adults?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ok what about pedophiles or sexual predators of children/teens that marry or partner with men or women or another adult, have children with them or even adopt/foster children, and they sexually abuse children/teens, and have sexual attraction to adults?

People might have preferences, but I don’t think that many people have a purely monomaniacal sexual fetish that is the one and only thing they ever do. People can be predominately one thing and deviate from that from time to time in all kinds of ways. Sexuality is complex and spectrum-like.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

People might have preferences, but I don’t think that many people have a purely monomaniacal sexual fetish that is the one and only thing they ever do. People can be predominately one thing and deviate from that from time to time in all kinds of ways. Sexuality is complex and spectrum-like.

Ok when I described these sexual predators or sexual abusers to psychologists I was told they are pedophiles, or the way most people use the term pedophile was used to describe them-as these people have sexual attraction to and sexually abuse children and teens,and that the fact they are sexually attracted to adults and marry or partner with adults does not matter as they are still pedophiles since they sexually abuse and are sexually attracted to children/teens/non-adults.

So I am not sure what they would be besides pedophiles or sexual predators?

I know people who sort of have or do have a single sexual fetish or sex kink, or vanilla sex act that they practise or indulge in. These people are not pedophiles they just know what they like and are honest about it.

 

[JessFR]

The definitions I use are...

If you are sexually attracted to prepubescent children, you're a pedophile. End of discussion. You need to get help not to act on it, and if you do act on it you need to be locked away.

If you're attracted to postpubescent minors, like older teens, that's pretty much just normal. If you're an adult though, acting on that attraction is immoral and often rightly illegal. But it's not itself a paraphillia. It's evolved human nature giving us instincts that have no place in developed society.

If you are exclusively attracted to postpubescent minors and you're an adult you're an ephebophile, it's not normal human nature, it's a deviation, but other than that it's the same as above, if you're an adult, don't act on it. It's an abuse of power, you have more power and experience because of your greater age and sleeping with teenagers is generally going to be taking advantage of them, and that's wrong and again usually illegal.

The only difference between categories 2 and 3 is that exclusive attraction to post pubescent minors is unusual, so it's a paraphillia. Where as non exclusive attraction is normal (in men anyway).

But it's normal in the same way as sometimes having violent thoughts is also normal. Doesn't mean it's at all OK to act on them.

Category one, sexual attraction to pre pubescent children, exclusive or not, is a vastly worst paraphillia than ephebophilia.

With teenagers they generally at least have some sexual maturity, younger people have none. They are rightly hated as the scumiest of the scum that they are.

Sucks if you're born that way, of some how wind up like that, and if you make an effort never to act on those desires I might even feel a little sorry for you. But any sympathy disappears if they act on it.

If you act on it, you can't be in society with the rest of us anymore. No second chances.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

The definitions I use are...

If you are sexually attracted to prepubescent children, you're a pedophile. End of discussion. You need to get help not to act on it, and if you do act on it you need to be locked away.

If you're attracted to postpubescent minors, like older teens, that's pretty much just normal. If you're an adult though, acting on that attraction is immoral and often rightly illegal. But it's not itself a paraphillia. It's evolved human nature giving us instincts that have no place in developed society.

If you are exclusively attracted to postpubescent minors and you're an adult you're an ephebophile, it's not normal human nature, it's a deviation, but other than that it's the same as above, if you're an adult, don't act on it. It's an abuse of power, you have more power and experience because of your greater age and sleeping with teenagers is generally going to be taking advantage of them, and that's wrong and again usually illegal.

The only difference between categories 2 and 3 is that exclusive attraction to post pubescent minors is unusual, so it's a paraphillia. Where as non exclusive attraction is normal (in men anyway).

But it's normal in the same way as sometimes having violent thoughts is also normal. Doesn't mean it's at all OK to act on them.

Category one, sexual attraction to pre pubescent children, exclusive or not, is a vastly worst paraphillia than ephebophilia.

With teenagers they generally at least have some sexual maturity, younger people have none. They are rightly hated as the scumiest of the scum that they are.

Sucks if you're born that way, of some how wind up like that, and if you make an effort never to act on those desires I might even feel a little sorry for you. But any sympathy disappears if they act on it.


If you act on it, you can't be in society with the rest of us anymore. No second chances

Ok so what would the people I described above be then? They were sexually attracted to and sexually abused children, pre-teens, and teens, and would partner or marry or have consensual sex with adults?

Or what about children who sexually abuse other children such as peers or friends?

I learned about the sub-categories of pedophiles/sexual abusers of children, pre-teens, and teens, and a lot of people just consider them pedophiles/pederasts, or sexual predators as they have sexual attraction to and sexually abuse minors who are not adults.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

People have a tendency to exaggerate the psychological impact of non-consensual sex, particularly at young ages. It depends on how traumatic the event is and how non-consensual it is. It makes very little sense to lump all non-consensual acts of sex into one group. It also makes very little sense to lump all sex between legally underage people and adults into one group.

Having sex with a prepubescent child is massively different than fucking someone who's still in their teens, but (depending on circumstances) the latter can be super fucked up as well.

I don't like the idea that a woman having sex with a teenage boy is different than a man having sex with a teenage girl, but it is a bit different I think. I don't know. When I was a teenage boy I wanted to fuck my teachers, but - hey - teenage girls have things for adult men too.

It's complicated.

I certainly don't think it should be socially acceptable for female teachers to fuck their male high school students. Gender aside, it's still creepy as fuck. Boundaries are important, professional and otherwise. If you work with children, you don't fuck them. Consent is irrelevant.

 

[TripSitterNZ]

@LordOfThisWorld and @priestheycalledhim know how the real world is. To many fuckers live in naive cotton wool wrapped world