I read it just as a warning about measuring your dose with anything else than a scale accurate enough for the job. I guess I have some kind of automatic salt grain adding implant as I can't read that as fearmongering. It doesn't affect me as I wouldn't mess up with measuring doses by eyeballing.
+-0,5mg accurate scales are cheap as hell but still some people don't use those or better scales for some reasons (which I do not understand) and as tolerance doesn't happen fast (if all) for vasoconstricting properties but people start using higher doses it is good to point out the risks which are even obvious to some but not for all.
No need to get your butt hurt (unless thats what you want of course)
Not everyone knows as much as you (two) know. Especially when they have just started their journey into a world of mind altering substances.
I'd rather have someone invest into a good scale although some might get their butt hurt as they are offended from thinking that if someome eyeballed his dose and nearly lost his feet it would automatically apply to them too.
Why get offended by something that doesn't apply to you but might save someone's ass (or in this case, their feet)?
Love to you
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I don't think TheBlackPirate has said anything particularly out of line in this particular thread. Rather his history across multiple threads of bringing up this particular topic (ie. the so-called "hypothesis" put forward by himself and steamboatbill that DOX chemicals share a similar risk profile as NBOMe chemicals, or more specifically that they share the NBOMes' propensity for unpredictable and sometimes lethal effects even at regular recreational dosages.)
This assertion has been put forward now on multiple occasions, and not once been substantiated. Furthermore, on each occasion that it has been put forward, it has recieved a plethora of rebuttals--some based in case evidence, some based in description of the differing pharmacologic and pharmacokinetic properties of the compounds which result in different toxicity profiles, and some based solely on emotional appeals and personal attacks, regrettably.
I don't consider this claim to be legitimately founded, however the purpose of this board is to facilitate healthy discussion of the risks of drug use, and so the claim certainly falls within the bounds of reasonable discussion. The *problem*, as it has manifested historically, is that those individuals backing this claim have steadfastly refused to engage the rebuttals, but instead resort to repeatedly restating and resummarizing their original claim across multiple divergent threads and repeatedly in the same threads--usually after enough time/posts have passed that the previously issued rebuttals aren't immediately visible to anyone reading their claim.
Additionally, they have demonstrated a willingness to make use of misleading tactics to bolster the apparent strength of their claim, like misrepresenting facts of a user's reported overdose, as represented above, or using multiquote to respond only to the segments of a rebutting post that contain character references or general statements, while ignoring those portions of rebutting posts which refute parts of their original claim or require additional evidence from them.
In other words, while this forum supports healthy discussion of possible risks of drug use and *especially* of methods available to reduce those risks, there is a pattern here of participation in bad faith--that is, an attempt to sway the general "trend" of discourse on the subject matter of DOX by repeatedly voicing concerns, without actually substantively moving that discourse further along.
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Now, all of this aside, I'm seeing that we're moving quickly into the realm of character assassination in the last few posts of this thread. Although I understand and agree with your frustrations, let's please try to keep things civil and, above all all, focused on facts. TheBlackPirate *does* have the right to voice his concerns, and moreover his statements in this thread were--with the exception of the claim that DOX share NBOMe's unpredictable low dose toxicity--not unreasonable. Moreover I think it's important that we keep this forum culture elevated such that others don't feel uncomfortable about coming forward with their own experiences or conclusions if they differ from the "mainstream" interpretation.
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And btw Artimisia, +/-0.5mg scales are certainly not cheaply had. Scales that read to 1 milligram with an accuracy in the area of +/- 2 to 4 milligrams are readily available for ~$20 but can range significantly in accuracy between units even after calibration. Knowing how finicky even expensive laboratory scales are, I wouldn't trust even their displayed weight when measuring a dose of a potent chemical like a DOX. The only appropriate method to measure these potent chemicals is volumetric dilution of a larger measured quantity of material for metered dispensing.
