Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

[lil tripper]

i did it twice. never injected only smoked tar. but my area is sketch so it was probably fent

 

[antoniotomas]

Yes, heroin that much more intense, especially when used IV. My advice is don't try it.

 

[Auranova]

Great post BongoBongo, I wholeheartedly agree. I've always been a risk taker, and like you, I thought about the forbidden fruit of trying heroin just once for many, many years. I recognized when I was young that I could lose everything I already had and all that lay before me, and that fear stopped me. But I also realized that I could simply keep that option as a bucket list dream - something to perhaps experience as a kind of reward for waiting, near end of life with most of life's responsibilities behind me. Now I am old and retired. I went carefully into my bucket and bought some good quality product through research and testing. I tried that forbidden fruit I had been saving for so many years. And you know what? It was an interesting experience but it just didn't do it for me. It was no big deal, and I just dumped the rest - that was a couple years ago. But it still gives me a smile today.

 

[Scrofula]

Now that's an interesting bucket list: "Visit the Alamo. Learn the Piano. Do Heroin."

But mainly I wanted to emphasize your finding--it wasn't me, but a roommate of mine, shot up for the first time, came back to the apartment. I could tell something was up, and figured it out pretty quick. He seemed uncomfortable and a bit agitated. Which is kind of how I felt on hospital Dilaudid (even though I kept it coming every two hours).

He didn't care for it, and for as long as I knew him, anyway, never tried it again. My ex shot up once and only once with a bunch of Santa Cruz junkies she lived with briefly. The next day she had all the symptoms of being dopesick, which baffled her friends. She didn't really have anything bad to say, but nothing good either.

Heroin has too much allure to it, to many rock stars, jazz musicians, artists, novelists, lots and lots and lots of movies--and I know you opiate users hate me saying it, a whole culture and set of traditions around getting yourself hooked on it, and the ordeal of getting off of it. It's an addiction narrative written ahead of time, and that seems pretty dangerous.

Chemically there can't be anything all that special to it anyway, compared to all the other opiates out there. In the end, heroin is just another opiate, not the strongest, not the longest lasting, and qualitatively no different than shoving the plunger down on a slow push of IV opiate in the hospital.

 

[Auranova]

Now that's an interesting bucket list: "Visit the Alamo. Learn the Piano. Do Heroin."

But mainly I wanted to emphasize your finding--it wasn't me, but a roommate of mine, shot up for the first time, came back to the apartment. I could tell something was up, and figured it out pretty quick. He seemed uncomfortable and a bit agitated. Which is kind of how I felt on hospital Dilaudid (even though I kept it coming every two hours).

He didn't care for it, and for as long as I knew him, anyway, never tried it again. My ex shot up once and only once with a bunch of Santa Cruz junkies she lived with briefly. The next day she had all the symptoms of being dopesick, which baffled her friends. She didn't really have anything bad to say, but nothing good either.

Heroin has too much allure to it, to many rock stars, jazz musicians, artists, novelists, lots and lots and lots of movies--and I know you opiate users hate me saying it, a whole culture and set of traditions around getting yourself hooked on it, and the ordeal of getting off of it. It's an addiction narrative written ahead of time, and that seems pretty dangerous.

Chemically there can't be anything all that special to it anyway, compared to all the other opiates out there. In the end, heroin is just another opiate, not the strongest, not the longest lasting, and qualitatively no different than shoving the plunger down on a slow push of IV opiate in the hospital.

LOL. Yup pretty close, but my list was a little more like "Visit the Alamo. Learn the Piano. Try Heroin, LSD, Mescalin, Ketamine, Crystal Meth, 2CB, 5-MeO-MiPT, DMT, Ecstasy, Cocaine, etc." Holy shit I had fun with some of those.

You hit the nail on the head with my take-away point though - the heroin culture and the whole mystery of something bigger than life itself. For me it was like being told the most beautiful woman in the world is behind Door #1. Then I finally open that door after years of anticipation and it's like "Aw fuck, she's blonde and I prefer brunettes". That said, if I'm going to be dead for the next trillion years or so, I'm going to go out with a bang.

Glad to see you're a moderator now Scrofula.

 

[Scrofula]

Glad to see you're a moderator now Scrofula.

Thank you. In the end, it was the only way friends and family found to break my cycle of stimulants and self-abuse. Ok, not "break" the cycle, just cut back a little.

 

[Jekyl Anhydride]

Chemically there can't be anything all that special to it anyway, compared to all the other opiates out there. In the end, heroin is just another opiate, not the strongest, not the longest lasting, and qualitatively no different than shoving the plunger down on a slow push of IV opiate in the hospital.

It's the 6-Mono Acetyl Morphine that kicks down the door of the BBB like a home invasion crew.. and the 1-Benzylisoquinoline backbone that separates it from the Fents, Pethidine,etc. Though Oxymorphone or Oxymorphone Hydrazone is neck and neck. But neither really ever lead to anything good as you stated.

 

[Backfromthebrink]

It's the 6-Mono Acetyl Morphine that kicks down the door of the BBB like a home invasion crew.. and the 1-Benzylisoquinoline backbone that separates it from the Fents, Pethidine,etc. Though Oxymorphone or Oxymorphone Hydrazone is neck and neck. But neither really ever lead to anything good as you stated.

IIRC diamorphine is kicked almost straight back out of the brain and has very short half life of only a couple of minutes...

It is indeed the 6-MAM that seperates heroin from other opiates in terms of the users "enjoyability"

Medically, the only advantage over morphine is that heroin is more readily soluble in water which means injection volumes can be smaller...this is better for older patients with small fragile veins and also more conducive to SC injection.

There are a few others advantages but the solubility thing is the main one.

 

[Jekyl Anhydride]

IIRC diamorphine is kicked almost straight back out of the brain and has very short half life of only a couple of minutes...

It is indeed the 6-MAM that seperates heroin from other opiates in terms of the users "enjoyability"

It's lipophicility, being 2x as potent as Morphine and while H & 6-MAM does get kicked out it's already done it's job and escorted the Morphine home hence the "Enjoyability".

OT:This is what makes trying it so dangerous as it appeals to the limbic system which is older (in an evolutionary sense) and more influential than the rational prefrontal cortex, which is the part of your brain telling you that you'll only do it once.

 

[Backfromthebrink]

It's lipophicility, being 2x as potent as Morphine and while H & 6-MAM does get kicked out it's already done it's job and escorted the Morphine home hence the "Enjoyability".

OT:This is what makes trying it so dangerous as it appeals to the limbic system which is older (in an evolutionary sense) and more influential than the rational prefrontal cortex, which is the part of your brain telling you that you'll only do it once.

Interesting that while the UK still uses diamorphine in hospitals very frequently (it's now the go to analgesic for women in labour since pethadine isn't used anymore) but the US sees no medical use for it at all.

Wonder why that is...

Ima go with importing and red tape costs. SWAT team escorting the pharm techs. All from PR.

Lol...Cos everyone knows morphine is a legit medicine but diamorphine is literally satans ejaculate.

Seriously though, it has many advantages over straight morphine...it's pretty much standard for labour in the UK.

Had pharma diamorphine once in hospital but was only 6mg so wasn't impressed lol

 

[Larimar]

I guess it?s always been one of my personal rules that I would never touch herion or meth ! That?s why I?m so ashamed to be hooked On these OC?s because they are technically just legal herion .

 

[dannydopefiend]

I guess it?s always been one of my personal rules that I would never touch herion or meth ! That?s why I?m so ashamed to be hooked On these OC?s because they are technically just legal herion .

Yes that's a good rule to have! But I must say I had the same one as well, and I went from OC's to H one day without even thinking twice. Had the same rule about the needle but that didn't last for long. I've lost over 10 close friends to H in the past year alone all under the age of 25 so please stick to your rule. If you want to stop or quit do so now because it only gets harder as you climb that ladder.

 

[Scrofula]

I think it might be a bad omen to make rules like that.

Cause if you set rules for yourself, it means you're thinking about it. It's already on your mind, you're imagining what it would be like to break them. Kind of an addictive obsession already forming.

Or maybe they do help, and delay what you know is gonna happen.

 

[Tubbs]

I'm gonna say for me, it didn't help. I always said I'd never touch heroin or meth either, what ended up happening was I was an iv morphine addict for 2 years( closest to h without being h). And a heavy meth user for the same amount of time. I told myself I'd rather die than touch them, so when depression set in, I ran to "The devils tools" to help me get there.

 

[5Borothoro]

This is such a great thread reading about everyones experiences. I, like many, started finding that my pain management meds werent enough, running out early, wds destroying every aspect of my day, and have considered trying H (snort) to hold me over since its so easily available. Ive seen what it does to people, but the wds from oxy have me the closest to the edge Ive ever been...

 

[Scrofula]

I have a feeling heroin WD isn't exactly pleasant compared to oxycodone. If you're having trouble before heroin, I don't think you'd be too sharp after heroin (and the oxy still).

 

[ShroomySatori]

Welcome to hell, if you are not already there.

I get the same withdrawals from heroin and oxycodone now. They are very much interchangeable for me at this point, but that is because I am a chronic sporadic relapser and am going to get high no matter what or die trying. Holly fuck I'd be nervous to do ANY amount of heroin right now, but that is because I have been using it for 5 years... if that even makes sense to you. None of this shit made sense to me until it was too late. It makes pain worse over time. Any sorta pain. I get withdrawals after one or two uses, as well, as I have worn my body out. Withdrawals didn't bother me very much at all for the first year and a half. Then they started affecting my life... I found myself unable to work all of a sudden... then they started torturing me and becoming my own personal hell. Then I woke up a few years later to the aftermath of a hurricane that was once my life.

I use oxy's now if I'm going to relapse, haven't used heroin since last summer. It's way more addictive psychologically and harder to source and pay for, was the difference for me (heroin). By the end of it I never would have spent money on pills.

There isn't any point preaching. People are going to go through the experiences that they attract into their lives. This drug brought me to a straight up junkie, but not a 'stereotypical' one I radiated a bright smile for a while until I couldn't. Then I quit for a couple MONTHS and finally either smiled or laughed, something with spirit. It drains that from you... the very most special moments of life. Then you recover so fast it's the ubiquitous vicious cycle.

It's enough to drive people insane enough to surrender to the suffering of it all and transform and go on to blossom into unique and compassionate flowers. It changed my life. I'm not sure how yet. I could die this year, or I could achieve the challenging vision I have for my future if I work really hard at it.

Once you have any sort of long term opiate habit though you can just drop dead one day randomly happens all the time. People don't know their tolerance anymore. Do you know your tolerance if you are trying it? I can't even keep track of my fuckin oxy tolerance anymore and my addiction at least used to be "controlled" like a smoker or whatev but eventually... I won't stop taking those pills now until I nod off / pass out and wake up later. It's hard to describe if you haven't experienced it. You can fight for 6 months to free your spirit and be feeling great, then within a single day can be getting harsh withdrawals. 5 years ago you were a young professional that had back problems from a sports injury and got this shit prescribed... it is literally fucking orally active heroin from a doctor (which is cool and all) but just give me the china white already so I can actually functions. Oxy's are nice recreationally but once I got really addicted it became to hard to control how well and sick I would be. I knew specifically how much heroin to take every time as I had the same source the whole time and it was so damn consistent, and you feel it in 15 minutes when you sniff it (yeah... it's not like coke... I feel that right away... but I can be heroin sick begging for mercy and still... might take 15 minutes before I even start to feel better. And lets not underestimate the feeling worse part. It's easy to at first, because it comes later... maybe even a couple years down the road.

 

[Larimar]

I see your point . For me seeing what the oxys have done to my life is enough to let me know I will never try herion . It’s so scary having withdraw from this small amount that I take already . But one day soon I will be free from this prison , I have to much at stake; I hate what it’s done to me. I should not need a pill to feel happy, to clean my house , to go to work . I have learned a hard lesson . This site has given a lot of tools and examples of how bad it can get and for that I’m grateful .

 

[ShroomySatori]

Still be careful eh bud? since the last time I did heroin was June or July - but ever since then, I have used heroin a single time, but I have been chronically relapsing on oxycodone and getting higher than heroin ever got me in my life off of percocets. Since, I don't have a tolerance for the first hit... this is how I was found by someone close to me slouched over, apparently for 8 hours straight, nodding the fuck out last week. I don't even remember anything but one moment where I was asked what the fuck drugs I was fucked out of my mind on. This was tamper-proof oxycodone, just 160mg and no tolerance.

Eventually the oxycodone simply doesn't work anymore I'm sure you've been warned. So at that point you either start to quit or move on... there isn't really much else when it (predictably) stops working.

Oxy's fuck me up just as bad as heroin these days. It doesn't matter which one it is at all to me anymore. Oxy's make me suicidal when I quit. I am at about week now and feeling okay! I started doing intensive hot yoga daily and today will be my third day in a row... stoner yoga is the best.

I know what you mean about how they give you so much lovely energy to work with at first and I was getting this off a nice 15mg dose for a long time, eventually the habit became enormous that I nearly died in December when I woke up one day and impulsively went to the pharmacy and took 60mg IR oxy on top of some benzos I had the night before. I nodded the fuck out for 12 hours... from morning til night... and I remember most of it. I remember I thought I was laying in bed resting, but I slowly opened my eyes and realized I was in a downward dog for who knows how long.

In my opinion, it doesn't really matter that you haven't tried heroin because you are dependent on OC's and it's just as bad in my experience. If anything, it's even worse but that's just my experience I hope you and I can get off this stuff! I haven't done heroin since last summer, but I am a junkie all the same. I have only relapsed with oxy's since then, and every time it ruins my brain in a single day and after a quick binge I have to withdraw all over again. Over and over shit eventually wears you out, whatever healing energy it takes to recover depletes, withdrawals traumatize, oxy's take way longer to kick in, they don't last for shit before withdrawals kick in and by the end of it no amount would satisfy me and I only wanted heroin.

I wish you the best it sucks to be hooked on opiates. I didn't know what the fuck I was getting into long term. Life was great for a few years but now... but now... like I've pretty much ruined my life.

 

[5Borothoro]

Shroomy, thank you for sharing, really. Your posts made me look at this in a very different light. Ive been in hell all week with wds because i virtually ran out of oxys and cant get more for a few days. Its the second month its happened to me. This has forced me to really reflect. Ive had so many nights sitting here wanting to find some dope to aleviate the suffering, but Ive stayed my course. Im doing all i can to avoid it, but im definitely in the abyss right now. Its been the longest week of my life so far. And its true, if Im like this now just off oxy, I dont want to imagine what dope will do to me. I think that fear is the only thing winning.