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Apostacious said:
^Believe it or not, reducing the power of the tobacco lobby is a REAL ISSUE in the context of drug prohibition in the United States. Guess who lobbied for the war on drugs and to have certain drugs protected from the scheduling system? Alcohol and tobacco companies. They also persistently fund attacks on medical marijuana. If marijuana were widely and legally available, how long do you think that tobacco-only companies would last?
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Those are the companies, not the actual smokers themselves. At that rate, everyone in America must support the war on drugs because a percentage our tax dollars fund it. Maybe everyone should leave the country and move to Columbia or Portugal because we don't want to support the war on drugs by living in a country who's government supports it. I'm pretty sure that buying clothes is wrong with this logic as there are sweat shops in china that mass produce clothes that are sent to America to be sold.

Tobacco smoking sucks, believe me, if I didn't get busted and could smoke weed, I would smoke weed rather than tobacco. Tobacco is an addiction just like any other addiction. I don't smoke because I think it is getting me anywhere, I smoke because I have a craving for nicotine. I don't break into cars or steal from people to satiate my addiction and I'm pretty sure nobody would for just cigarettes. Now when I say this next statement, I don't mean all people that are addicted to harder drugs; only some, I've had people in own family steal medication, borrow money to not pay it back, etc. just to go procure said drugs. Whats worse? That or some dude having a cigarette to ponder life?

Like one of the above posters said, what about air pollution not related to tobacco such as from cars or industrial plants? I'm sure that cigarettes are a drop in the bucket when you can constantly smell exhaust fumes. This relates mostly to urban areas of course but a large portion of the population lives in said urban areas.

Outdoors, cigarette smoke tends to go in the breeze and I generally stand where it is not blowing in someone's face.

I personally draw a line between say, a state school and a private college. Larger populations tend to occur at state schools like the one I'm attending a year from now after I finish 1 year at the local community college.

I'm pretty sure that the solution to all of this would be to have designated smoking areas that are marked and well known so people with asthma, allergies can avoid them.

There are a lot of sacrifices that are made for people to coexist, that is all I'm saying and while smoking may be one of the less necessary ones, it certainly shouldn't be looked at as the root of all evil. If you look at as a health issue, they should ban fast food on college campuses as well because fast food can lead to obesity and health problems and its not necessary or positive either. People could just as easily only eat healthy right?
 
Id just tell them to fuck right off and let me smoke in peace. If they said anything else id maybe tell them to go do some unnatural act with livestock or their mom or both :\ . I have no time for cunts like that :p
 
LogicSoDeveloped said:
Those are the companies, not the actual smokers themselves. At that rate, everyone in America must support the war on drugs because a percentage our tax dollars fund it. Maybe everyone should leave the country and move to Columbia or Portugal because we don't want to support the war on drugs by living in a country who's government supports it. I'm pretty sure that buying clothes is wrong with this logic as there are sweat shops in china that mass produce clothes that are sent to America to be sold.

Tobacco smoking sucks, believe me, if I didn't get busted and could smoke weed, I would smoke weed rather than tobacco. Tobacco is an addiction just like any other addiction. I don't smoke because I think it is getting me anywhere, I smoke because I have a craving for nicotine. I don't break into cars or steal from people to satiate my addiction and I'm pretty sure nobody would for just cigarettes. Now when I say this next statement, I don't mean all people that are addicted to harder drugs; only some, I've had people in own family steal medication, borrow money to not pay it back, etc. just to go procure said drugs. Whats worse? That or some dude having a cigarette to ponder life?

Like one of the above posters said, what about air pollution not related to tobacco such as from cars or industrial plants? I'm sure that cigarettes are a drop in the bucket when you can constantly smell exhaust fumes. This relates mostly to urban areas of course but a large portion of the population lives in said urban areas.

Outdoors, cigarette smoke tends to go in the breeze and I generally stand where it is not blowing in someone's face.

I personally draw a line between say, a state school and a private college. Larger populations tend to occur at state schools like the one I'm attending a year from now after I finish 1 year at the local community college.

I'm pretty sure that the solution to all of this would be to have designated smoking areas that are marked and well known so people with asthma, allergies can avoid them.

There are a lot of sacrifices that are made for people to coexist, that is all I'm saying and while smoking may be one of the less necessary ones, it certainly shouldn't be looked at as the root of all evil. If you look at as a health issue, they should ban fast food on college campuses as well because fast food can lead to obesity and health problems and its not necessary or positive either. People could just as easily only eat healthy right?
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You have a choice to start smoking and to stop smoking. Despite a smoker's complaints, it is fairly easy to quit smoking, and there are plenty of smoking cessation programs available through most universities that are already paid for through tuition. There are plenty of people that have never smoked in their lives. Smoking isn't something that is forced upon you (unless it is second-hand smoke, ahem ;)), like the need to wear clothes in order to function in society, or to stay within a country that you may disagree with. The choice to move out of a country is no where near the same magnitude of difficulty as choosing to stop smoking. Your claim that stopping smoking is like being forced to wear clothes or moving out of a country whose foreign policy decisions you disagree with is a strawman fallacy and is a poor foundation to build the rest of your argument upon. Since your premises are false, your conclusion is false.

The only way to reduce the power of the tobacco lobby is to reduce its consumer base through the encouragement of smoking cessation and adopting a scientifically-based social stigma to the use of tobacco in public.
 
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If its so easy why is there a market for tobacco products yet tobacco isn't allowed to advertise anywhere pretty mcuh anywhere?
If smoking was so easy to quit it wouldnt be the public health issue it is.
You know who hated cigarettes and smoking with a passion?
adolf hitler (no srsly...)
 
paranoid android said:
Id just tell them to fuck right off and let me smoke in peace. If they said anything else id maybe tell them to go do some unnatural act with livestock or their mom or both :\ . I have no time for cunts like that :p
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@ Apostacious

Because quitting was easy for you doesn't mean that it is easy for everyone. I'll admit that some of the examples I used are a little extreme but lets be realistic here. Saying that tobacco is easy to quit is a joke of a statement. Nicotine is barely the start of tobacco addiction. There are many facets to it and it is not as easy as just getting through the first 3 days of nic w/d.

You don't seem to understand (I say this as respectfully as possible) that your ideas are idealistic and would only occur if this were a perfect world. It would be great if nobody smoked and everyone hated it and ... but the truth is that its not as simple as you say.

An example would be lets say I quit, does everyone else around me that smokes quit? No...I still have to smell it, see it, and be around it at school as well as in public and other places. If i were to quit, I wouldn't suddenly expect radical change. Thats part of what makes in difficult, life is essentially the same for a looong while.

Like ^ said...even with the amount of anti smoking campaigning, people still use cigarettes and other forms of tobacco. Hell, I know of a friends mom who switched to nicotine gum 20 years ago...but hasn't stopped the gum. This contrasts my earlier statement but once again, like you, she isn't like the majority.
 
I find that smokers are becoming more and more of a minority (a hated minority at that). It's like I get treated differently because I smoke. When i was in school i'd usually have a smoke before every class (was also high for every class too). I'd come in smelling like marijuana/tobacco and sometimes the hipster douche kids would be like 'what's that smell?' fuck you, you little uptight pieces of shit.

I think designated smoking areas would be best. I hate when people smoke on the beach or where there's a lot of people around.

As a university/college, they make the rules so if they don't want smokers there, they can do that, but where do they draw the line? They aren't going to ban alcohol from college campuses as it would piss off too many students. Just doesn't seem fair to discriminate against tobacco when I could snort a line or shoot some powder and go to class and no one would know. No one is forcing anyone to sit beside a smoker and breathe in second hand smoke.

Is the issue that tobacco itself creates health problems or second hand smoke? If it's the former then alcohol also causes problems and it won't be banned, if it's the latter then factories/cars/pollution create just as much of a problem and a university/college isn't going to tell you not to drive to class.

And I hate those people who cough (pretend to cough) when they are around smoke. You're probably inhaling car fumes all day long so fuck off. Generally I avoid places where my smoke would interfere with anyone though. It was always a fantasy of mine to just sit in class smoking cigarettes/joints but I can see how that might bother people.
 
Apostacious said:
You have a choice to start smoking and to stop smoking. Despite a smoker's complaints, it is fairly easy to quit smoking, and there are plenty of smoking cessation programs available through most universities that are already paid for through tuition. There are plenty of people that have never smoked in their lives. Smoking isn't something that is forced upon you (unless it is second-hand smoke, ahem ;)), like the need to wear clothes in order to function in society, or to stay within a country that you may disagree with. The choice to move out of a country is no where near the same magnitude of difficulty as choosing to stop smoking. Your claim that stopping smoking is like being forced to wear clothes or moving out of a country whose foreign policy decisions you disagree with is a strawman fallacy and is a poor foundation to build the rest of your argument upon. Since your premises are false, your conclusion is false.

The only way to reduce the power of the tobacco lobby is to reduce its consumer base through the encouragement of smoking cessation and adopting a scientifically-based social stigma to the use of tobacco in public.
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I agree. Nicely put.
 
RobotRipping said:
And I hate those people who cough (pretend to cough) when they are around smoke. You're probably inhaling car fumes all day long so fuck off
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I have fairly strong allergies to tobacco smoke, and even just walking through a house where someone is smoking a cigarette will certainly make my eyes water, my nose itch, and my throat get scratchy and dry for a half hour or more, but it sometimes sets off asthmatic attacks that last all night. I am not the only one with such allergies, which can include reactions of coughing in some people.
I am not inhaling car fumes all day, by any means. I exercise 10 hours a week and eat mostly organic food in order to try to reduce the toxins in my body.
It may be very hard for you to understand, especially as a smoker, but there are many people who are very affected by cigarette smoke in public places.
I have not seen live music in an enclosed smoking area for almost a decade, due to the intensity and duration of the asthma that typically results. Even when outside, I have to position myself carefully (and, sometimes, repeatedly) so as not to have smoke blowing in my face.

I was running down the beach early the other morning. There was nobody else on the beach, but I smelled smoke. It got stronger and stronger until I spied an older guy in the distance. It was a good 2-3 minutes of running before I finally passed him and got out of the path of his smoke. Just what I wanted - to inhale poison when my lungs are fully open. :|
Do I have the right to be protected from such a level of exposure to a proven carcinogen, which happens to be an allergen for me as well?

Here in Japan, there are sealed-off smoking rooms in train stations and airports.
I have no problems with them, except that I would much prefer them to permit the use of weed, DMT, and other drugs there as well ;)
But when my personal space is invaded by the smoke, I feel that it is unfair, precisely because smokers do have a choice, as was so cogently argued above by Apostacious.
 
anybody can die from lung cancer, and people would if there were no smoke at all. but yeah, every radioactive particle, from cars to cigarettes to the sun, does have a very very tiny effect, and they all add up. you can't ever say a death is 100% due to smoking or secondhand smoke, because processes lead to them with and without smoke... but you can say that they contributed.

so the question is how much can second-hand smoke contribute to cancer? and how does that compare to sitting around a bonfire?
And I hate those people who cough (pretend to cough) when they are around smoke.
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bill hicks tells these people "shit, you're lucky YOU don't smoke!"
 
I don't smoke, but I think this is ridiculous. Don't do it in the buildings, ok, but when walking to and from class? C'mon. As long as they're outside who gives a shit?
 
qwe said:
so the question is how much can second-hand smoke contribute to cancer? and how does that compare to sitting around a bonfire? bill hicks tells these people "shit, you're lucky YOU don't smoke!"
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bill hicks was awesome :D


@slimvictor: no I never realized how badly some are affected by tobacco smoke. I won't blow smoke in your face. This is why I advocate designated smoking areas, so we can co-exist happily lol and so us smokers have a place to gather and plot against the non-smokers. Solidarity.
 
Well said and definitely agreed. I'm not even a cig smoker but a smoker who pays equal tuition, etc.. should have a right and a say. Outdoors, designated areas, ash trays, is it really a problem for you? You can avoid the smoking area just as a drinker and avoid a bar.

LogicSoDeveloped said:
@villain

Do I pay you to enter your house? Do I spend money on eating at your cafeteria or staying in your dorms? Do I employ you among other people by needing an education?

Smokers or not, we're still people. We still deserve a say. We pay equal tuition and do essentially everything a regular students does...and smoke.

Smoking outdoors on a college campus and smoking inside someones house are two totally different things. Respecting rules and being pushed around are two totally different things. I'm sure the CDC also says stuff about smoking cannabis causing cancer...

I don't have a problem not smoking indoors-in fact, I detest smoking indoors. But outdoors, with an ash tray to dispose of trash, I don't see the issue, I really don't. Especially if there are designated smoking areas that can easily be avoided by nonsmokers.
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I Eat Pho said:
Well said and definitely agreed. I'm not even a cig smoker but a smoker who pays equal tuition, etc.. should have a right and a say. Outdoors, designated areas, ash trays, is it really a problem for you? You can avoid the smoking area just as a drinker and avoid a bar.
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Avoiding a bar is easy. Alcohol is contained in cups, and stops at their boundaries.
Avoiding smoke is not so easy. Smoke is not contained, and moves around in the air.
If you have a smoking area, the smoke doesn't stay there. It moves where the air takes it, sometimes hundreds of meters away.
Therefore, your comparison is not fair.
 
I feel the same way guys, I hate that you (slimvictor) have to deal with those sorts of concerns in your life. It put things in perspective for me. Like above posters said, designated and well known smoking areas are a good idea.

Its not fair to you to deal with those sorts of things as it is not fair for us to be ushered away. If there were smoking areas, I think we'd all be happy. I currently have a headache from too much nicotine today and am feeling ugh in my lungs as a result.
 
LogicSoDeveloped said:
I feel the same way guys, I hate that you (slimvictor) have to deal with those sorts of concerns in your life. It put things in perspective for me.
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Actually, that was my hope.
I think that some issues (smoking and abortion come to mind first) are really hard for many people to see both sides on.
When smokers understand what some of us have to go through, just being exposed to smoke, they tend to change their thinking somewhat.
When non-smokers understand how difficult it can be for smokers to find a place to (legally) smoke, and the difficulty of needing a fix but not being allowed to get it, they might change their thinking somewhat as well.
 
Good points Apo, the power of the tobacco industry is still huge, and the lobbyists are seriously detrimental to our society moving forward, especially in regard to things like marijuana. People need to remember that tobacco was an essential cash crop when our country was founded, and the legacy of this industry lives on today. The industry exploits and harms our country and countermeasures have to be taken.

Edit- How much of a choice is it actually for you smokers to smoke? Do you not see that action has been undertaken to ensure that smoking is likely to be a habit you pick up? Did all of you smokers actually make the choice to start smoking tobacco leaves, or did you pick up on a meme that happens to be the smoking of tobacco leaves? Why did you not choose to smoke a different material?
 
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Banning smoking on campus is one thing, but creating "Tobacco-free Take Action committees" to go around campus and hassle smokers is just freaking ridiculous. Who are these busybody wiener kids who go off to college and decide to spend their free time walking around campus sticking their nose into other people's business? In my opinion that is pathologically strange behavior, and it probably originates from some sort of deep-seated sociopathic desire to force others to conform to one's own will. Even though I'm not a smoker, I would make it a point to glare at those folks suspiciously whenever possible.
 
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