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2010-11 NBA Thread

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You people are sleeping on the Knicks.

Bench is important, and defense, especially come play-off time, is important . . .

. . . but with that said:

The most important indicator of whether or not you win the NBA Championship is:

"How great is your best player?"

And the Knicks have one of the best players in the league.

Amare Is (Indeed) Real.

Best Knick since Bernard.

I believe.
 
^ That's not the most important indicator lol. If you don't play defense, you don't win a championship, period.

Knicks are a fantastic team to watch and they're bringing energy to MSG again, but like all D'Antoni teams, they will fail. They might happen to get to the Conference Finals, but if D'Antoni couldn't take the Suns to the NBA Finals with a younger, more explosive Amar'e and a borderline HOF PG in Nash, what makes you think they can get past Miami and Boston and Orlando in the East with Felton and Amare and Gallo?

Amar'e has a monster offensive game, yes. But is still a lazy, flat footed defender, and it doesn't help when your coach doesn't give a fuck about defense.
 
if you don't play offense, you don't win a championship, period

@grimble, the lakers go where gasol goes.
 
if you dont play both, you dont win championships,

that being said though. If you put up the best offensive team with no D against the best Defensive team with no O. I would think that the defensive team would win the majority of the time.

anyway ya . it was always the one two punch with kobe and gasol, and then LA would use a variety of other things like bigness in bynum, defense in artest/ariza, and versatility with odom to supplement that. Without that one two punch theres no chance, and bynum is not quite there yet to take gasols spot as the number 2 man in the combo. he has the traits and probably will be at the core of the future of the lakers post kobe era, but hes just not capable at superstar level yet like gasol can be. A lots on gasols shoulders right now
 
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lol i know :D, but its the only Canadian team in the league, i was born in Canada and moved over to England when i was 3 months old lol, don't really follow basketball at all, but still im originally Canadian lol...
 
i think ur wrong about bynum. he would be star level if they fed him the ball more.

i think the same thing of nene with the nuggets. there's no reason they can't average 18-22 ppg getting to the line 8+ a game. in the lakers-suns game i saw bynum sprint down the court to get good post position. the lakers swung it to his side as if to tease him and then swung the ball all away around the court, ending up settling for a long 2-pointer later on in the possession.

right now phil jackson is just sucking at coaching. if bynum (and gasol) doesnt get a ton of touches yao ming-style in his ~30 mpg when he's fully healthy, there'll be no excuse.
 
gasol gets touches, hes just not taking the shots being agressive or hustling much latley.

and dont get me wrong im not trying to sell bynum short hes got the body and skills to be a superstar center one day and hes hugely important to the lakers. but a system of play in which the focus offensively has been primarily kobe and gasol being the teams top two leading scorers LA is now attempting to go to the finals for the fourth time in a row. how many teams in history can say that. LA returning to being that dominate hinges on gasol returning to playing that well again.

dont misinterpret this though im not trying to set a rigid rule saying gasol must have more of a role than bynum a lot of it is going to depend on the team they are playing. If the matchup just so happened to be LA vs Miami, bynum should be the supreme focus, but if it were LA vs boston or orlando I think gasol definetily poses the bigger match up problem.
 
Prokhorov has been terrible so far.

The thing I don't get: why do people assume Melo is a superstar? Shouldn't the Nuggets be perennial contenders then?

They've had ONE YEAR as real contenders, and even then I don't recall their WCF showing as truly convincing. Right now they have one of, if not the, best bench in the NBA, to go along with a ton of big man depth and an improved Afflalo / steady Billups in the backcourt. There is a good chance Melo never has more talent on a team than he has right now, and the WC has never been weaker.

It's put-up or shut-up time for Melo.
 
that about seals it. 3rd seed or worse for LA, tough tough road to repeat.

spurs v celtics baby! one time!

zomg this is such a siqq post:

http://nerdnumbers.com/archives/69

some of my faves:

# There are five players that are top ten for their position in all three roles: Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Dwyane Wade, Manu Ginobli and David Lee.
# Kobe is in fact a Scorer for LA. However, Bynum and Gasol are more effective Scorers.
 
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Dwyane Wade is the shit. He is the best player on a loaded Heat team by far. I have always held that he was better than LeBron, and I think there would be a lot of metrics that would back that up, as opposed to the usual system that ESPN and the like uses such as total points, rebounds, and assists.

Since Kobe appears to be on the decline, maybe Wade is the new next best player in the NBA?
 
you really think kobe's the best player in the nba? personally i think kobe's career rests more on logging a ton of minutes with very good production, but without ever being the clear-cut best in the NBA.

i think as the NBA becomes more sabermetrically inclined this will become increasingly obvious in the coming years.

wade's presence is another detriment to kobe cuz wade's almost always been more productive even in kobe's prime.

so is ginobili for that matter. honestly if ginobili keeps this or a reasonable fascimile up for another 3 years should he be a hof lock?
 
still cant believe no one is talking about orlando in here. theyve got a really interesting thing going, sort of like a beefed up younger version of the spurs in the fact that about everyone they play can give you double figures, the anti heat in a way.

spurs/mavs seem to be cracking a bit giving LA a slightly bigger chance to make up for its lazy play earlier in the season.

kind of interesting that phil jackson is having luke take a slice of barnes minutes. Ide like to see caracter or ebanks develope a little. having odom take the bulk of them is definetily a plus though.
 
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Some of you people are on crack.

Do any of you REALLY think that the reason that neither MJ nor LeBron nor Wade nor ANY other player in the modern era has ever APPROACHED scoring EIGHTY-ONE fucking points in a single game (not to mention, scoring 62 points in THREE QUARTERS, just a month earlier) is because they NEVER TRIED?!

Or perhaps, could it simply be that case that Kobe-At-His-Best is the greatest scorer any of us has ever witnessed in our lifetimes?

Kam, if you provide me with legitimate written evidence that you scored higher than I did on either the Math section of the SAT or on the Logic Games section of the LSAT, I will murder my entire family in front of you (HINT: I'm 100.000000000% certain that you didn't), and right after that, I'll defer to your insight based sabremetrics, with relation to basketball.

So please spare me your sabre-arguments about "production" and "efficiency."

I'm not saying that these stats are completely without merit - obviously, they have their place - but with that said - this is NOT baseball - basketball is a legitimate TEAM sport - and some things that are VERY relevant when we're trying to determine "Who is the greatest player in the NBA?" simply aren't measurable with statistics.

Is there a stat for how much LeBron nervously chewing on his fingernails in the huddle with 0:02 on the clock of a close game when everyone in the world is watching (wanting so badly for LeBron to show the one-in-a-million confidence that MJ & Kobe have in spades, but that LeBron lacks BIG TIME) affects the confidence of the rest of his team?

Is there a stat for "Playing Through Preposterous Amounts Of Pain" like Kobe regularly does vs. missing huge chunks of games in multiple seasons (like Wade has)?

How about a stat for how much more drained Kobe ought to be on offense than, say, LeBron or Wade (or Ginóbili - THAT'S RICH!) because Kobe has spent almost every minute of every game of his entire career chasing down the other team's best player and has done it well enough to make the All-NBA defense first or second team virtually EVERY SINGLE SEASON?

How about a stat for how much Carmelo Anthony's appearance of being stoned/in another world much of the time rubs off on HIS teammates - his stats would suggest he's about as good as Kobe - but I'm sure that his teams' play-off misfirings EVERY SINGLE YEAR are a coincidence, right?

How about an accounting for all of the low-percentage shots Kobe was essentially FORCED to put up at the shot-clock buzzer, double-teamed, during that tiny crevice within his career in which he WASN'T leading his team to championship after championship after championship?

I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at numbers - OF COURSE WE SHOULD.

But in a sport like basketball (or football, for that mater), there is simply no substitute for WATCHING THE GAMES, or for taking into account and rewarding the players who were the best players on the TEAMS THAT HAVE WON THE TITLE.

You wanna go by individual stats alone?

Then Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing are all-time greats.

And Tracy McGrady is comparable to Kobe Bryant.

Or - instead - you could choose to actually WATCH THE GAMES and ACCOUNT FOR how good each player has been at leading his teams to WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS, and THEN, add in the individual stats, to show the entire picture.

THEN, it is plain to anyone with a brain in their head that MJ and Kobe are MILES ahead of any other single player of our generation.

Bird & Magic are the closest non-centers to being as valuable as MJ or Kobe - and neither of THEM was even close.

Wade or LeBron?

Hell - let them win just ONE title TOGETHER before even starting to compare the achievements of either one of them to someone who is gunning for his SECOND FUCKING THREEPEAT, this one with Pau Gasol (and NOT LeBron or Wade) as his side-kick.

So to answer your question, Kam:

YES - I am most certainly telling you that Kobe Bryant has CLEARLY been the best player in the NBA for every millisecond of the past six seasons, and that he is, along with MJ, CLEARLY one of the two best players in the history of the NBA.



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