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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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subdetox said:
This is how I kicked my 4 year long pain pill addiction. I took 1/4th of a pill ONE time a day for 8 days (after 48 hours after my last opiate dose) and it made me feel GREAT, NORMAL... no withdrawals. Then when the subs ran out, I was fine. I felt no w/d's AT ALL. I stayed clean and very happy for 3 years! In my opinion that's the only way people should use sub unless they really feel they need it for maintenance.
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Yeah i did the same. I was prescribed 20, 8mg suboxones, and i quit off of 1 and a 1/4... 1 full one the first day... and a 1/4 the next.. nothing but trazadone and advil for sleep from there on out and was fine...

Im 48hrs from my last Suboxone now on this withdrawal.. but i have some methadones i really am tempted to eat 30mgs and see if i will get any euphoria from it. Or smoke a little black i have managed to save throughout this whole ordeal... lol

a lot of the people here you must understand Subdex, among myself.. are just addicts or recovered addicts. You will know when u run accross a doctor on here worth listening too...

Basically a lot of addicsts.. even ones i used with, would always say ""fuck Suboxones, they wont do shit for me.. I need Bupes" .. and im like ""well... okay, high guy.. there IS bupe in it and they WILL work for you""

Alot of users imagination gets ahold of them and they make their anxiey, thoughts, pains become a reality..

Just keep Active , Busy on something else i know thats hard to say because you feel blank.. but go with someone like ur boyfriend to the mall, christmas shopping or something... being active will also help you sleep...
Try a bath before bed, if u can without chills.. I used a portable heater when i was withdrawling and needed to loosen my body...
LOTS of liquids, Gatorade, Ensure stuff like that...
lol, i dont know if this is good or not, but LAXATIVE!! i dunno, lol.. but i know the more you go, the more of the B.S is coming out..

GL to you though!! Ill be stickin around to watch what happens
 
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Angelz87 said:
Captain heroin you sound like you kno what your talking about, but if you can explain it to me in English for amore beginner sub user , nmda, agonist, ceilings etc? please and thank you
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agonist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_agonist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_agonist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receptor_antagonist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptor_antagonist

A "ceiling effect" refers to a drug's effect not gaining anything more to it when you exceed a particular dosage.

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Angelz87 said:
Captain heroin I need sum advice for me il give you my bac round , I'm an ex ecstasy abuser about 3 years ago for atleast a year , then went to percocet to 140 mg OCD day, the suboxone work great for withdrawl, but it's like I feel notthing I mean notthin , withdrawl like a roller coaster up n down, but atleast I was getting sum feeling durring withdrawl, suboxone jus makes with drawll plaaain.... I'm not sure how to put it..
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How much Suboxone are you taking a day?

If the answer is 8mg or more, I would consider taking less.

For the record, I don't really feel that Suboxone is lowering my sex drive, though I have tapered slowly off of it for a while now.

I would take your time and taper in a few weeks if you can.

subdetox said:
I just wish someone would have told me what I told the other dude in my last couple posts before I got suckered into being told I "NEEDED" to stay on suboxone long term. I should have researched it more extensively myself as well but I trusted my doc and I liked that it took away my cravings for opiates. However, had I known about the shitty drawn out w/d period of suboxone I absolutely wouldn't have stayed on for more than a couple weeks tops.
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I needed to be on it all this time for sure. I would have probably relapsed without being on it for a while. I'm planning on gradually tapering down, but for now am happy with where I am.
 
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I think without Subutex, I'd have gone back on the heroin time and time again. Sure, you can kick the habit, but its those brief lapses of sanity where you do a point that can really effect you if you're not on Subutex.

But, the drugs aside, I think I need Subutex because of pain therapy. I've got serious gut pain, and I've had it for over 10 years, waaay before heroin use. It's def. not related to heroin, or opiates, but the Subutex clears the pain. So, that is the only reason I'm staying on it. Otherwise, do you really think I enjoy having to go out in the freezing cold every damn day to collect?
 
Thanks for the encouragement, today is my first H free day but I so easily stray from sobriety, see I work in the worst place possible for a recovering drug addict...the hood, I work deep in Detroit about a mile from my dealer, and when he dosent hear from me he calls to see if I need anything, he knows me to well been fuckin with him for 4 years, but I'm gonna try to stick to the subs and hopefully I will prevail, thanks again for the kind words SubDetox!
 
Get rid of his number and change yours if you have to! It will take some serious will power on your part if you stay in contact with your dealer. Obviously if you're serious about quiting you gotta severe ties with people from your OLD life. Good luck!
 
thats what i had to do man.. if youre serious about quitting you need not only to change ur nuber... but throw ur damn phone in the river or something... U will still have that contact list with ALL the things u need in it. changing the number is part 1 of a 2 part step with that... GL man, i know its hard as hell!

BUT THATS A MAJOR MAJOR PART OF REOVERING... NONE OF UR OLD DEALERS "BUDDIES" Give a flying FUCK about you and your sobriety, thats why hes calling to get you to come buy some shit form him so he can scrape by and smoke some... He prolly aint a big tymer, prolly hustling it to get himself high...

Out here in Oregon, all the Cubans and Mexicans dont do the shit. They just sell it ... smart, but i just think its a cultural thing.. cant figure it out lol... they LOOVE weed and some coke but nothing else...
 
Changing your phone line and loosing the dealer's is the number 1 step. Damn, my latest one was a lady and if i didn't call by a certain time in the morning, she would call me and sometimes waking me to tell me she's "here", and sometimes the "here" meant my own freakin street!!! Could i really say NO even if i wanted to?!? Well, i had to relocate to the other side of the world...but that was because of 10 years in 1 area, and i pretty much knew all the dealers around, so if my main 1 was out for a day or 2, there were always others to score from! It was a nightmare, and i'm so thankful i'm out of it!
So, change your number if you're really serious and good luck! It's very doable and you will really appreciate life and what it has to offer after some clean time. Peace


When the dealers gets high from his own supply, they won't last. All the ones i knew who used to do it, were either caught and jailed
or OD'd!

Catcalls: Do you get your Subs daily like methadone? Why?
 
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why do i feel like this thread has turned into a sobriety/self-help blog rather than a discussion on buprenorphine?
 
I wish he were just a fiend cause maybe he would move on to the next one, but he's actually a serious dope boy, I just known him for so long he calls to make sure I'm straight, see in Detroit the younger black generation knows not to touch the shit so they just sell it to white people and older black fiends (casualties of the 70's and 80's heroin explosion) but yeah everyone on here's right, that's what I did the first time I quit but somehow made it back around to him. Thanks for the kind words everyone.

And suboxone is right, apologize for takin up the thread with my shit! Back on to the Sub questions.
 
Because hey the 2 kind of go hand in hand. Heh :p sorry for getting off topic, I'm just super passionate about this stuff.
 
Suboxone said:
why do i feel like this thread has turned into a sobriety/self-help blog rather than a discussion on buprenorphine?
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Because it can. What do you think Suboxone is used for, creating opiate addictions, or trying to get off of one?
 
Finally off of Suboxone (for now)

Well -- I went on Suboxone in May of this year for an opiate habit / chronic pain problem and have been prescribed 24 mgs. per day since.

Anyways, today, I finally walked out of a pain management Dr's office after months of dealing with severe nerve pain for the last 3-4 months with a prescription for 90 Percocet 10/325's, with instructions to take one every 4 to six hours (max 6 per day)..

My question is this -- The Dr. KNOWS that I have been taking 24 mg of Suboxone daily... What is he thinking? I need to do the math, but I think his calculations are a little bit off. I expect I'm going to start going through some withdrawals.

If anybody with pain management Dr. experience can help me out, please PM me. I'd really appreciate it.

Glad not to have to be sniffing that orange powder anymore. (at least for now)
 
Drifter74 said:
Well -- I went on Suboxone in May of this year for an opiate habit / chronic pain problem and have been prescribed 24 mgs. per day since.

Anyways, today, I finally walked out of a pain management Dr's office after months of dealing with severe nerve pain for the last 3-4 months with a prescription for 90 Percocet 10/325's, with instructions to take one every 4 to six hours (max 6 per day)..

My question is this -- The Dr. KNOWS that I have been taking 24 mg of Suboxone daily... What is he thinking? I need to do the math, but I think his calculations are a little bit off. I expect I'm going to start going through some withdrawals.

If anybody with pain management Dr. experience can help me out, please PM me. I'd really appreciate it.

Glad not to have to be sniffing that orange powder anymore. (at least for now)
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60mg of oxycodone per day isn't too bad. Just taper off of the buprenorphine. Buprenorphine doesn't equate to full agonists easily or effectively.

If 60mg per day isn't cutting it, reschedule and let him know you need something else. This is what doctors are here for. :)

If you are still snorting Suboxone, or do so in the future, I would suggest to cotton filter it in a solution, that you later insuffulate. This will help remove the inactive ingredients a bit.
 
I'm glad this was brought to everyones attention, I'm still kinda a newb and didn't feel like getting into an argument onlne.
 
New here.. No computer at the current residence yet but ive looked around the place on my phone.. Hopefully this is in the right spot.. i use about 130units of water per sub i do (IV). Is the wash good or trash?
 
Do they have pain management clinics in Oregon?? I dont think they do... I have Kaiser Permanente for my medical, but they wont give u shiiittt for pain.. its federally owned.. I had to fight forever and find other doctors before i got my medical marijuana card...

But i have really bad knees, and the marijuana helps a little with the pain(depending if i eat it or smoke it) and helps me sleep...

But i need something else for the actual pain too... any suggestions?

Oh and u can SNORT Suboxone?? How?? Dilute it in water and snort it? but u say filter it?? So like pull it through a syringe but through a cotton ball?
 
Liquid buprenorphine question

I have a bottle of liquid buprenorphine with a liquid dropper from 0-2 ml I think. Got it from the vet, now im wondering if humans can take this (recreationally), and how much for starting? I've done 30 mg oxycodone on numerous occasions sporadically (once every 3 months) on average maybe.. til it ran out. Non-addictive personality perhaps. Any thoughts?
 
I definately wouldnt recommend doing them with out a filter of some sorts. I use cigarettes but ive seen multiple posts here talking about micro-filters. Thatd be the way to go. Ive snorted suboxone, but i cant even look at one anymore w/o gagging. Ew.
 
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