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3-Fluoromethcathinone (3-FMC)

Really? I don't know.

Before mephedrone, people were always looking for an MDMA substitute with legal highs.

Now, it seems more and more people are actually seeking specificially mephedrone substitutes.

It is not inconceivable that something new and legal can be far more addictive or euphoric than older drugs (and more desirable).

I think you're right. Mephedrone brought a new quality. It's a type of euphoric stimulant that allows -at least for a stretch of time- to engage in an abuse pattern that is similar to coke. That wouldn't work with mdma wouldn't it? And of course there are many people who never tasted (genuine) mdma and use meph as point of reference for evaluating new drugs.
 
I think you're right. Mephedrone brought a new quality. It's a type of euphoric stimulant that allows -at least for a stretch of time- to engage in an abuse pattern that is similar to coke. That wouldn't work with mdma wouldn't it?

Ah. Yeah. I guess I overgeneralized my experiences (I like to restrict entactogens to special occasions in general), and I wouldn't think that an abuse-pattern similar to coke would be enticing to anyone; compulsion to dose doesn't not necessarily indicate "good" or "fun".
 
ebola you're right but in the world the coke buisness is 100 times bigger than the mdma one, the "abuse-pattern" is really important for who produces and sells these substances. That's why i think that they will continue to produce "methamphetamine like" substances like mephedrone mdpv etc...
 
I'm in a drug court program so I am turning to legal highs to get me by. (Hopefully, it doesn't get me in jail.) I went without any good stimulants for over two months and have been craving them. I finally decided to take my chance with Charge+ which apparently has 3-FMC in it. I finally bought half a gram at one of the few local head shops. At first I snorted it. Snorting Charge+ is very unpleasant until you feel it. Fed up with the awful burning sensation and tastes, I decided to use my preferred method of ingestion, IV injection. I'm starting to realize that I may be an addict and at the very least need to become conscious of my use so I wrote while I was high. My thoughts under the influence of 3-FMC follow.

"November 15, 2010
Method Dose Time
IV 100mg? 5:40 - 5:55
I feel very calm and focused. There was no rush. It just hit me slowly. It didn’t feel like. . . My eyes must be very dilated or something because the world just looks different. Brighter I guess. I feel as though there is this weird essence around me. Using more of this stuff sounds like a great idea. I wonder when I will come down and how I will feel. I feel so relaxed. I hope I can eat. I still feel a little hungry. I was starving before though. I hate how my jaws tighten. I wonder how damaging this is to the mind and body. I’m going to get my phone to text DJ. My phone was in my pocket. I want to do so many things. Read my Learn book for work, text DJ, see DJ, touch DJ, fuck DJ, shave DJ. I can’t wait to do more. I want to learn chemistry and physics. I think I’m starting to come down a little. God this feels so good. Why can’t I just live like this till I die? What is wrong with that. Why must we come down? Why can’t I accept my emotions? I feel so fucking good except maybe a little uneasy in the stomach. I can’t wait to eat with Regina. I just sent DJ a CRAZY, long text. (not a crazy long text) I told him how I want to inject him so badly. I think a laptop that I could use in the shower would be pretty sweet. I can’t wait to shower but don’t want to leave the laptop. I’m considering not having dinner with Regina to see DJ. I’m going to do it. God I love that kid. Man I love to write this shit down too.

IV ? 9:10-9:27
This is the third time I have injected Charge+ today. I think it makes you sick when you have too much. I also think that the tolerance increases very quickly. I can’t think of anything to say. I need to research the chemical 3-FMC. I want to do more. It is very addictive. I even went to Tokens for the third time so I could get a quarter gram.The come-downs aren’t as bad as cocaine. I wish I had more veins. I wish I could be like this forever. Right now all I can think about is the next hit I guess. Time for some research. My eyes are very dilated right now. I just want to feel like I’m on Charge+ all the time. I wonder when I will fall asleep.

IV ? 9:35-?
One good rush then its gone. You definitely have to space this substance out. I just finished the bag and hardly feel different. I’m just really jittery right now. I hope nobody realizes I’m messed up when I get to the AA meeting I have to attend for drug court. My eyes were so dilated, and I couldn’t concentrate well on what people were saying. I read a bit of “the big book.” Everything has gone well so far though.

IV ? 12:00-?
I was going to save the cotton for the morning but just decided to do it now so cleaning up would be easier. Being an addict may have had something to do with the decision as well. Now my veins are messed up with track marks. I have to remember to wear a long sleeve shirt in the morning and at work. Hopefully they will look much better in the morning."

I was high as a kite. That stuff is super addictive for me too. I went back to the head shop to a get a quarter gram of that overpriced, cut 3-FMC. Repeatedly using it was pointless. Hopefully, I can learn the right dose at the right time. One thing I liked is that the comedown wasn't bad at all. I do have a headache still and have not gotten much sleep. I am still craving more. I'm also very dehydrated. I hope that was helpful or at least enjoyable.
 
I found it better then metchathinone, the euforia seems to be more calm and the hangover is not that shaky and twitchy as on methcathinone.
Of all cathinones i have tried(mostly I/V) - this is the best.(But all cathinones are shit, believe me, especially if you shoot it)
 
I found it better then metchathinone, the euforia seems to be more calm and the hangover is not that shaky and twitchy as on methcathinone.
Of all cathinones i have tried(mostly I/V) - this is the best.(But all cathinones are shit, believe me, especially if you shoot it)

Why are cathinones shit especially for shooting?
 
Addictive behavior, binges, enormous sexual activity makes you burn out very fast.
Methcathinones are not functional stimulants.
Never will be.
Beware.
 
Good enough to make you compulsive jerk :)
The most of the sex drive in the cathinone family is alpha-ppp, but it has very pronounced anxiogenic effect that makes it very annoying.
3-fmc on the other side is not anxiogenic unless you are shooting every 20-30 minutes.
pure methcathinone is beetween
 
Okay, mister compulsive jerker, take that with the grain of salt and body massage oil:

alpha-PPP (IV 150 mg) gives dissolving warm rush of an euphoric stupor and a whole body orgasm - I do not recommend following this route. You will binge and when binged this stuff gives strong bad sensations in the back(there is a vasoconstriciton and kidneys are suffering). Plus you must add pronounced tachycardia, shortness of breath, inability to seat still and speak well. Oh, and an Anxiety! Anxiety is very similar to MDPV, it has the same chacteristics to it and is not so prolonged.
Methcathinone (IV 200mg) gives similar kind of rush, but it is more benign, you don't feel so jumpy and the action is smooth.
3-FMC is similar to methcathinone and the maximum I have shot is (IV 150 mg) - rush was very bright and orgasmic, but calm and not jumpy at all. This is the safest of three. Again if you binge than the gram lasts 5-6 hours maximum, after that you are craving, but interestingly you can calm yourself and not get psyched, just lay and chill, It helps.
So, that is the basic info on the cathinones.
I have also tried MDPV which is utter shit and alpha-PBP, which when smoked(10-20 mg off the foil) remind 3-fmc in its best, but wears off very quickly and make you dissapointed.

Basicly all the pyrrolydinyl-type cathinones are more adrenergic and kind of "flat". With methcathinone you feel some kind of goodness of the rush, pyrrolydinyls are super stupefying.

That is quick resume of my past(thanks god, buddha and my friends :) ) addiction to cathinones.

A-ha-ha, don't forget to have broadband or porn magazines on the hand.
 
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so this alpha-ppp should be a really nice chemical, really hard to find too..
and what about 3,4-DMMC?
 
I tell you to stay away from it. Because it is an 3,4-dimethylamphetamine with a ketone moeity.
from wiki:
Xylopropamine was briefly sold as the sulfate salt, but it was not widely marketed. ... however these drugs had negative side effects such as high blood pressure and were not very successful, mainly due to the introduction of alternative drugs like phentermine.

Xylopropamine was also reported as having analgesic[1] and anti-inflammatory[2] effects but its side effect profile resulted in it never being further developed for these applications.

also
The 3,4-isomer, 3,4-dimethylamphetamine or xylopropamine, is an adrenergic agent and it has been found to be an analgesic in man at as little as 10 milligrams. This was assayed, rather remarkably, by attaching electrodes to the tooth fillings of the experimental subjects. But with this base, cardiovascular effects were not observed until doses of about 100 milligrams were administered, and toxic effects (nausea and vomiting) were reported at 150 milligrams. There was no suggestion of anything psychedelic.

don't bother with it, it is crap.
 
So people....have we lost sight of the fact that wanting does not equate to liking? :p

ebola
 
What the government should do is fund research into these research chemicals to determine the pharmacology and the health risks for the public's sake. Then the public can make an educated decision with this publicly funded science.

At some point humanity is going to completely explore the pharmacophores of everything, and see what just about every possible substitution can do to change the biological effects. Instead of playing catch up, why doesn't America take the lead in this category of scientific progress?

I think the point people are missing here is that, even if the classic drugs are available (as they should be), there will still be a desire for some people to want to explore different realms of consciousness, and they are willing to take the risks to do that, just as people take risks to sky dive, or snowboard, or sleep with sorority girls without a condom. People have their own level of tolerable risk, and there is nothing that people can do to change it. If you make their means of risk taking illegal, they will find something that hasn't been banned yet. All this does is waste the taxpayers money and trample on such basic rights as private property, self-ownership, and voluntary exchange.

America is taking the lead in exploring the pharmacophores of everything by having these substances available on the free market (until the government says otherwise). And by America, I don't mean the American Government, I mean the people who produce and consume these chemicals.

It's your vessel and you should be free to do with it what you please as long as you don't harm anyone else or damage anyone else's property. And the rights of those who can enjoy responsibly shouldn't be taken by force to "protect" those who can not.
 
America is taking the lead in exploring the pharmacophores of everything by having these substances available on the free market (until the government says otherwise). And by America, I don't mean the American Government, I mean the people who produce and consume these chemicals.

I don't see how America has taken the lead in this arena...except by the splendor and prominence of works by the likes of Nichols and his ilk. We'll see what happens as American universities decline in quality...

ebola
 
Good enough to make you compulsive jerk :)
The most of the sex drive in the cathinone family is alpha-ppp, but it has very pronounced anxiogenic effect that makes it very annoying.
3-fmc on the other side is not anxiogenic unless you are shooting every 20-30 minutes.
pure methcathinone is beetween

This sounds like something i might try then. I've just tried MDPV, but it's way too anxiogenic for me, unfortunately (at any dose)

I need something for energy and concentration and am taking a break from my scripted d-amp (hella burnt out atm) for a while, mainly for financial reasons...

Not looking for recreation or anything, just something to function decently for maybe 1-2months and not go batshit crazy like on mdpv

My (legal) alternatives right now are: NRG-1 / ZX-1, 4-MMC and 3-FMC
 
This sounds like something i might try then. I've just tried MDPV, but it's way too anxiogenic for me, unfortunately (at any dose)

I need something for energy and concentration and am taking a break from my scripted d-amp (hella burnt out atm) for a while, mainly for financial reasons...

Not looking for recreation or anything, just something to function decently for maybe 1-2months and not go batshit crazy like on mdpv

My (legal) alternatives right now are: NRG-1 / ZX-1, 4-MMC and 3-FMC

I found it rather excellent for that purpose, 2FMC is good too.
 
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