LSD mind games

[The Hebrew Hammer]

so your ideas to have fun are to dose each other unknown amounts of rc's while fucking with each others minds while their most vunerable? ever been called immature assholes?
sillyness is all well and good like, but that comes part n parcel with a pyschadelic (depending on your dose and reason for dosing of corse, but if thats your aim, its easily achievable) but to intoduce sillyness in the form of headfuck takes it to a different level. for one, when people are high they have far less constraints to realise when the sillyness has gone to far. but most importantly, you dont know whats in the other persons mind, despite how they may be acting. id bet very soon something goes wrong and you either get your ass handed to you or fuck a 'friend' up for a good while.

I feel very bad that you were not as fortunate as me to grow up with such a close group of people who were so sensitive to each others' thoughts and general existence.

The whole point of psychedelics (for my group of friends anyways) is to journey and explore language and interaction, and thought processes, and emotions, basically to explore all of existence.

For me and my friends we enjoy venturing out into the unknown A LOT.

we decided to start these types of nights after we were becoming trapped in patterns and we came up with the idea that maybe if we were not totally sure how much of "familiar substance #1" we had actually taken, that the experience would be less restricted to preconceptions based on previous experiences at known doses.....

we would have no where near a dangerous amount of drugs (for our group of people anyways)

We were all always aware that tonight was going to be that kind of night. We PLANNED THESE NIGHTS.

Its not like we are gonna drive one another fucking crazy. I mean, we are just playing with fucking language.

Im sorry that you feel so offended by the way me and my friends (whom I have all known for over 20 years) CHOOSE to ENJOY OURSELVES....



I would really like to know what kinds of "head fuckery" you think i'm talking about, because I'm starting to get the feeling that a lot of the "no mind games on psyches" lot are totally paranoid about what mind games are, or somehow relating the thought of mind games to the concept of a "mind fuck" or like... psychological interogation tactics or something....

seriously, If you think this;

"we basically play these word games where we try to say as many things that can be misinterpreted about whatever topic we are discussing and we just sort of shoot back vocal exchanges back and forth off the top of our head and basically just try to speak as ambiguous or misleadingly as possible and still get the message across, its a lot more complicated than that, but you get the just of it...."

is something that makes me a "immature asshole"

or that it is otherwise dangerous (remember the "unkown dosages" are very well within the safe range for those of us participating, we are all very familiar with the compounds , and we all are knowingly dosing "blind" which in reality we know we are within a range, just not exactly where at within that range)

Then I would hate to trip with you. What kind of fun is it sitting in a bubble eating vitamins and washing your hands the whole night.... sounds kinda boring.

I also hate those people that when they trip they like automatically think someone is having a bad trip and they need to stop it. There was this kid I met like that before at a party (not one of OUR parties) and I was having a blast just sitting with my eyes closed kinda bouncing with the music, and this kid kept interrupting me, asking me whats wrong, and telling me to come with him and he will make things better yada yada yada, and im finally just like "whats wrong man?" and this kid starts to tell me how I am having such a horrendous torturous night and how he wishes he could take me out of it.

I sat down trying to tell him that I am having a blast and that he doesnt need to worry about me...

This guy kept running into me all night and asking "things going better now?"

Those of you who think me and my friends are the devil or whatever, remind me of these types of people.

I hate it when people think doing something "dangerous" (like saying funny things, or making our dosages variable within a safe range) are seriously dangerous in all or the majority of instances.

For instance, How many times have you plugged in something electronic to the plug on the wall while you were tripping?

Its possible that you could be really sweaty, and not be functioning as normal, and shock yourself to death when you try to plug it in.

Sure, its POSSIBLE, but come the fuck on man.... life is an adventure, and I am sure that you have plugged something into a wall outlet while tripping? or maybe drank a glass of water? have you ever eaten a hard candy that could be choked on?

what do you do when you trip with your friends?

Or better yet, I would like to see a dialogue of what you (who think i should rot in hell / jail / be raped by ducks / whatever) think a typical example of us playing "mind games" would be like.... Im really curious as to what I am thought to be doing that is terrorizing these friends of mine )

 

[instink]

HH, don't worry about these morons, when I read your first post I knew exactly what you meant about the dosing, it's not your fault if someone skims over what you've said and interpreted it wrong, don't stress yourself writing long replys to idiots

Can you go into more detail about the word games you play? It sounds interesting but I don't feel like i totally get what you're saying... I know it's hard to explain, thanks

 

[Help?!?!]

HH, don't worry about these morons, when I read your first post I knew exactly what you meant about the dosing, it's not your fault if someone skims over what you've said and interpreted it wrong, don't stress yourself writing long replys to idiots

This. Its so obvious what your doing is innocent fun and sounds like a good time between close friends. A game I forgot to mention my friends and I enjoy playing is the weird word game. It could be any word that you use a lot and you never once noticed how oddly it was spelled/sounds/how it came to be when sober.

 

[instink]

Haha that comes up with me and my friends all the time, usually the shortest words. One time I got so worked up over the word "and" and couldn't work out if that was the right word or if there was another word we used in it's place. Was fun times.

Also, sort of OT but recently during a DXM trip my heartbeat seemed amplified so much and it was practically all I could hear. At first I thought it was someone doing roadworks outside or something and it took me aaaaages to figure out it was my heart. When I did finally realise, I was totally floored by the idea that I actually had a heart and it was beating inside me every second of my entire life. The concept that I had a heart absolutely astounded me, I think it was also to do with the emotional attachment people put on 'having a heart' i.e. being a good person.

So I plan to discuss this with friends next time we're doing psychs (not dxm, regular psychs). Will be interesting to see the results.

 

[Raw Evil]

Sure, its POSSIBLE, but come the fuck on man.... life is an adventure, and I am sure that you have plugged something into a wall outlet while tripping? or maybe drank a glass of water? have you ever eaten a hard candy that could be choked on?

I nearly choked to death on a Mentos once while tripping. Freshmaker my ass. They should call it the Deathmaker.

 

[Splitz]

This. Its so obvious what your doing is innocent fun and sounds like a good time between close friends. A game I forgot to mention my friends and I enjoy playing is the weird word game. It could be any word that you use a lot and you never once noticed how oddly it was spelled/sounds/how it came to be when sober.

That happens to me quite alot sober though, to be honest. I've never had any problems with English, it's always been my best subject and I'm a writer, but fairly often a very familiar word will suddenly seem alien and not right, in an amusing fashion. I'll have to remember to try this tripping.

Also tucking away the idea of playing with 'energy balls' and such. That sounds perfectly benign and fun to me.

 

[runmercirun]

Ah, a friend had me believing I had forgotten his name once. We were both tripping, having a good conversation. I said his name and he goes, "What? Thats not my name...." He had this real serious look on his face.. My mind was spinning when he said that. My thoughts went like this:
-shit i forgot his name
-wtf is his name
-omg i don't even know him
-i've been talking to a stranger this whole time
-LIFE MAKES NO SENSE

i've known this guy for about 3 yrs lol. he laughed like a minute later and jk'd and i got over it, but he never knew what kind of a mind fuck he put me through.

 

[Help?!?!]

I'm a writer, but fairly often a very familiar word will suddenly seem alien and not right, in an amusing fashion. I'll have to remember to try this tripping.

Thats how I came up with the game. I figured if a word could blow my mind sober......

 

[CatfishRivers]

what about purposefully positive mind games? Instead of telling someone they are a murderer on lsd, why not tell them that they're artwork is amazing and has been getting better throughout the night, or maybe tell them they are the best friend you've ever had, or that you think that they are probably the luckiest person you've ever met and that they're good luck is like a glowing aura that you can see and that you're positive something awesome is going to happen to them...

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

what about purposefully positive mind games? Instead of telling someone they are a murderer on lsd, why not tell them that they're artwork is amazing and has been getting better throughout the night, or maybe tell them they are the best friend you've ever had, or that you think that they are probably the luckiest person you've ever met and that they're good luck is like a glowing aura that you can see and that you're positive something awesome is going to happen to them...

Because It isnt a mind game if you are just telling them the truth.

On another note, The mind games are not negative. If you think mind games are negative, then you are just being an asshole, or your friend is being an asshole (not playing mind games, or they just dont know where to stop)

The types of games we play are usual where someone unintentionally says something that can be misconstrued to something completely different , then someone catches it and replies with a quick witty one liner that is ridiculously ambiguous. This basically keeps snowballing until eventuall we move on from one liners and start sort of freestyle storytelling about random thoughts that come through our head... its kind of like playing one of those word association things and trying to fuck with the person interpretting or something, but usually we just end up sort of speaking in poetry about randomness and eventuall erupt into unstoppable gigglefest for a good time.

Each gigglefest signifies time to go back to normal until later on one of us accidentally says something that sets us up for the process to start all over again....

I wish I could explain better than that, but you would just have to experience it to understand. Its funny too because we never discussed making this into a game, or any rules or anything, or any point or objective... we all just started doing it, because IT FEELS SO RIGHT

 

[DwayneHoover]

I think it all sounds childish and annoying as hell, but perhaps I'm an old cranky fart. If you and your friends all consent and find it a fun, bonding, enlightening escapade, well, its that result that counts, so more power to you. You all have found a way to connect and learn trust for each other. That's quite rare and always "a good thing" as Miss Martha would say. To each his own. Namaste!

 

[MadHatterLSD]

what about purposefully positive mind games? Instead of telling someone they are a murderer on lsd, why not tell them that they're artwork is amazing and has been getting better throughout the night, or maybe tell them they are the best friend you've ever had, or that you think that they are probably the luckiest person you've ever met and that they're good luck is like a glowing aura that you can see and that you're positive something awesome is going to happen to them...

I totally dig the idea Catfish. I try to positively insert stuff like that to people, even in sober situations. This is a beautiful suggestion. :D

 

[phew]

Truth to a really malicious person its like a game of cat and mouse. Its easy enough to fuck with most people sober and under the influence of a psychedelic few people can keep their wits.

I don't understand though. At what point would it be impossible for someone to permanently damage me psychologically while I was tripping? Wouldn't I realize afterwards that it was just people fucking me while I was fucked up?


I can understand someone trying to toy with me while I'm tripping, but I simply can't imagine it having any lasting effects. I'm not saying that as a tough guy, more like as an intelligent person, I can't see someone doing that to me. I'd recollect at the end of the trip and understand why I'm feeling the way I do.

Am I right?

 

[nopipesdfw]

Leave the mind games up to the drugs that you are on mixed with existence imo!

Maybe that's because I'm not interested in how many fingers you have or other cheesy shit to get excited about, lol.

 

[TheAppleCore]

what about purposefully positive mind games? Instead of telling someone they are a murderer on lsd, why not tell them that they're artwork is amazing and has been getting better throughout the night, or maybe tell them they are the best friend you've ever had...

Sounds like a good idea, at least superficially, however you really shouldn't do this to anybody -- whether tripping or not. It may feel good to hear words of lavish praise, but it's ultimately healthier for one's personal growth and development to hear the cold and hard truth.

 

[nopipesdfw]

^Yeah, that is what girls do. It's called being a fake bitch in real life if you aren't actually trying to help them reel in a beautiful work of art or a friendship that is so close! Hints in the right direction for other people is being a good person, but making a fairy tale for them here on earth might make you a Christian. (lolol)

 

[greenmeanies]

I don't understand though. At what point would it be impossible for someone to permanently damage me psychologically while I was tripping? Wouldn't I realize afterwards that it was just people fucking me while I was fucked up?


I can understand someone trying to toy with me while I'm tripping, but I simply can't imagine it having any lasting effects. I'm not saying that as a tough guy, more like as an intelligent person, I can't see someone doing that to me. I'd recollect at the end of the trip and understand why I'm feeling the way I do.

Am I right?

count yourself lucky for not having any social anxieties or personal issues... you have no idea how deep in your own hell you can put YOURSELF, let alone if someone can "read" your insecurities and push your buttons.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Very much the truth.


Simply enduring an intensely psychologically painful experience is enough to cause permanent or semi-permanent damage (e.g. PTSD), even if you realize that it was a nonsensical or absurd reaction in hindsight.

 

[nopipesdfw]

count yourself lucky for not having any social anxieties or personal issues... you have no idea how deep in your own hell you can put YOURSELF, let alone if someone can "read" your insecurities and push your buttons.

Let's not bullshit ourselves here, everybody has experienced social anxiety and personal issues to some extent... I have a feeling that is life!

Yes, each of our own psychs is not a fan of just recalling relatively terrible moments in our lives unless you are really trying to dig deep for some reason.

That being said, most teenagers trying to do cheesy trippy shit probably have a lot less destructive potential than they think. (Then again, who knows. Surely it depends on the situation, quantity of drugs involved, and the people!)

 

[Help?!?!]

I don't understand though. At what point would it be impossible for someone to permanently damage me psychologically while I was tripping? Wouldn't I realize afterwards that it was just people fucking me while I was fucked up?


I can understand someone trying to toy with me while I'm tripping, but I simply can't imagine it having any lasting effects. I'm not saying that as a tough guy, more like as an intelligent person, I can't see someone doing that to me. I'd recollect at the end of the trip and understand why I'm feeling the way I do.

Am I right?

What I would do is bring you on a downward spiral until at the end insanity occurred. That would be truly horrifying to do and witness IMO. You may recover after a while but its not hard to get people to believe what you want them to if your good enough at it. Especially when their mind is already at the brink. Think about what Charles Manson did.