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Mescaline - The Beginner Psych?

DiZzyBonne

DiZzyBonne

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Why is mescaline - or mescaline-containing cacti for that matter - considered to be a beginner psych? A lot of my friends say it's nothing compared to LSD. I figured maybe they haven't done a comparable dose, but what do I know, I haven't tried it yet.

So what's your take on it, do you consider mescaline weak as well, on comparable doses?
 
Hi DB,
Well I've tried both Lsd and peyote in large quantities and there are two main differences I think.
1 you have to eat quite a lot of peyote which is heavy on the stomach and tastes worse than shit!! I have young kids so I know what shit tastes like!!:-( so you have to puckeup before the trip begins
2 peyote doesnt last as long as LSD I would say up to 6hr for peyote and 12hrs for acid.
Although the doors you go through and the death trip and overall spiritual trip experiance is very similar. You go into your suconsious in similar ways.
On acid the visuals are more colourful but the geometric visual doors are similar.
So fo me the main difference is the stomach thing because the trip is essentialy the same.
I've never heard of mescaline as a beginners trip. The experiance on both LSD and Mescaline are life changing.
Good Trip
 
Cacti, containing the full spectrum of alkaloids and not just "mescaline" which is an inferior product to the crude full spectrum extract, is in my opinion even more profound than acid. It can be powerful.

There are some things that Mescaline and cacti have going for it.....Relatively non-toxic, difficult to have a bad trip once you get past the stomach upset and initial anxiety pases....its gentle in the sense that it tends to produce more positive experiences, kind of like MDMA, unlike mushrooms and DMT which can just as easily take you to dark places....but its not gentle in a 'weak' way. Its like a gentle giant, powerful and kind.

Sorry for the cheesy metaphor. Its just an all around great medicine though.
 
^Right mescaline is around 12 hours and acid is usually 8 unless you took a large dose. Also why would you say don't extract? Who wants to down nasty sludge or chunks of cactus. You'll recieve the full experience and more considering 25 gs of cactus material could contain 100mgs or 750 mgs. Not an accurate way of dosing IMO. Anyways mescaline is most certainly a VERY strong psychedelic. I've had mescaline trips that could rival taking 15 hits of acid. Their both very strong just in different ways but trust me that when you cross the +3 barrier with mescaline the farthest thing from your mind will be how weak mescaline is!
 
I agree with frenchmachine's first response. Mescaline is gentler than the other two but in no way is it weak if you get a good dose.

The duration of mescaline and LSD can feel long winded sometimes as both trips last at least 8 hrs. For me and keep me up at least 10, because of that fact I would recommend shrooms as a first trip.
 
French Machine, you might be right there 6hrs for mescaline might be a bit short but I'm talking about the main uncontrolable trip not just the high which does last over 24hrs same as acid. to be honest I don't time my trips very well and I wouldn't say I've done mescaline when I havent!!
I still think the LSD "trip" (not intoxication ) lasts longer, although time is of no importance, what is important is the life changing experiances both acid and mescaline give you!!!
Like you say "Help" once you start tripping nothing else will matter to you!!
Mushrooms, Peyote, and Acid, should not be taken lightly and also should be taken in large enough quantities as to be forced to learn something from them which will change the way you view yourself and the universe from another point of view.
Peace
 
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I think mescaline is a very good beginning psychedelic. despite it's duration, it is much smoother, you come up more slowly, peak, then come down gently, its none of the shrooms or lsd smack you in the face intensity. Extracting means you can know exactly how much your taking, in a way that you can't with lsd or mushrooms, I have had insane trips with mushrooms at 3.5 grams and weak ones at 4.0 grams so it varies alot.
 
Just had a quick check on Erowid and it goes like this
Shrooms total duration 4 - 7 hrs
Peyote total duration 5 - 8 hrs
LSD total duration 6 - 11hrs
 
mr.mackey said:
I think mescaline is a very good beginning psychedelic. despite it's duration, it is much smoother, you come up more slowly, peak, then come down gently, its none of the shrooms or lsd smack you in the face intensity. Extracting means you can know exactly how much your taking, in a way that you can't with lsd or mushrooms, I have had insane trips with mushrooms at 3.5 grams and weak ones at 4.0 grams so it varies alot.
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I'm not being at all sarcastic when I ask this and may sound dumb but ive found the strength between mescaline cacti to vary a good amount between different cacti, even of the same type like shrooms. So if you extracted from San pedro how do you know how much mescaline you are getting exactly? Do none of the other alkaloids get extracted as well?
 
caroline55 said:
Just had a quick check on Erowid and it goes like this
Shrooms total duration 4 - 7 hrs
Peyote total duration 5 - 8 hrs
LSD total duration 6 - 11hrs
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Erowid is helpful but sometimes they are a bit on the conservative side with lengths of experiences and dosages. I have had a San pedro experience that was probably about 6 hrs. Before but that was a light dose. Especially for a first time I would recommend setting 12 hrs. Aside at least.
 
Yea before you try any psych for a first time you want to set aside a day where you got nothing to do
 
imo, the best "beginner" psych is 4-aco-dmt. very smooth and easy on the body but still strong enough to have a very visual, fun, and rewarding trip
 
Help?!?! said:
^Right mescaline is around 12 hours and acid is usually 8 unless you took a large dose. Also why would you say don't extract? Who wants to down nasty sludge or chunks of cactus. You'll recieve the full experience and more considering 25 gs of cactus material could contain 100mgs or 750 mgs. Not an accurate way of dosing IMO. Anyways mescaline is most certainly a VERY strong psychedelic. I've had mescaline trips that could rival taking 15 hits of acid. Their both very strong just in different ways but trust me that when you cross the +3 barrier with mescaline the farthest thing from your mind will be how weak mescaline is!
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I think that extractions are just fine. However, I think its fine to stop when you get to a full spectrum crude alkaloid concentrate. Washing out the other alkaloids is generally unnecessary and you are just wasting good potency and diminishing your yield while depriving yourself of the full spectrum.....Unless you find a way to use whats left.
 
Oh1o0hwhyO said:
imo, the best "beginner" psych is 4-aco-dmt. very smooth and easy on the body but still strong enough to have a very visual, fun, and rewarding trip
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I get what you are saying but seriously.....

That would be an interesting conversation.

"Hey man you ever do a psychedelic?"

"Nah, are they cool?"

"Yah man a good place to start is 4-aco-dmt"

"WTF is that?"

HAHAHA Offering alphabet soup to someone unexperienced with psychs. My friend used to just collectively call all the RC's The digits.
 
don't forget that everybody's metabolism is different... mine appears to be super high for psychedelics, so a full blown mescaline trip lasts all of 4 hours. mushrooms tend to be much longer for me.
 
Changed said:
don't forget that everybody's metabolism is different... mine appears to be super high for psychedelics, so a full blown mescaline trip lasts all of 4 hours. mushrooms tend to be much longer for me.
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That sucks man mescaline is a far more beautiful experience than mushrooms.
 
Yes, potency varies alot between different cacti (although I almost always get 1 %, so 1 gram mescaline per 100 grams cacti dried. and that is from several different sources) and extraction does pull out all the alkaloids, but if you really wanted to you could separate them from mescaline. Even if you don't know exactly how much of what you pull is mescaline, you at least have a Much better idea. I have heard for san pedro that 50% of what you pull is mescaline, but Im skeptical, I think its higher than that...but thats just my experience and I haven't exactly had any of my extracts analyzed so that should be kept in mind.

Oh and mescaline more beautiful than mushrooms? To each their own, some of my most beautiful and life changing experiences have been on mushrooms
 
mr.mackey said:
Yes, potency varies alot between different cacti (although I almost always get 1 %, so 1 gram mescaline per 100 grams cacti dried. and that is from several different sources) and extraction does pull out all the alkaloids, but if you really wanted to you could separate them from mescaline. Even if you don't know exactly how much of what you pull is mescaline, you at least have a Much better idea. I have heard for san pedro that 50% of what you pull is mescaline, but Im skeptical, I think its higher than that...but thats just my experience and I haven't exactly had any of my extracts analyzed so that should be kept in mind.

Oh and mescaline more beautiful than mushrooms? To each their own, some of my most beautiful and life changing experiences have been on mushrooms
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Cool the extraction info is very informative, thank you.

I've had profound experiences from mushrooms but it just lacks a sensual element that mescaline has. I feel more poisoned on mushrooms and it has a zany/ridiculous nature to the trip. Almost every trip I take on it I have some point where i'm like this is shit I should have stopped doing as a teenager. I haven't done mushrooms for a over a year now so I may feel different about the experience if i were to do it again.
 
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