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The Big & Dandy ++++ Thread

of course, its amazing, but utterly worthless if you dont take anything home from it. i very distinctly remember the single ++++ i've had (4acomipt), but even after all the wisdom i recieved, i failed to properly use it, making it utterly worthless. except of course, for the experience itself, which is why anybody takes psychedelics in the first place.
 
I wouldn't call it being chosen, as opposed to choosing....but its certainly a tremendous feeling; though whether it means anything is up to the individual...:)
 
I have been pondering the idea of attempting the most intense trip of my life this weekend....

Probably getting up there to around a milligram of LSD, maybe throw in a little bit of molly to give it a positive push, and around the peak of it all, smoke some DMT.

If i reach a ++++ a trip report will be provided.... Hell a trip report may be provided anyways, most definitly if i see any machine elves...

I will probably spend a good while before smoking the DMT trying to meditate and just let go while on the acid and maybe the molly, from there i plan to hit a pipe loaded with DMT. I throughly plan to do this at night, laying somewhere outside in a field looking looking up into space.
 
Although i've experienced a dose of 400ug of liquid LSD, and have felt first hand the effects of a average dose of Crystal DMT.. i've never combined the two. Though i can imagine it would be the most intense mind-shattering experience one could endure :) I imagine i would probably black out and miss the entire thing lol.

Let us know how that goes, if you end up doing it, im curious.
 
Exodus 16:

manna - a small round thing on the ground that appears after the morning dew and turns to mush when the sun waxes hot.

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Revelation 2:17:

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna

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Dr.Shulgin said:
PLUS FOUR (++++) A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samādhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment.
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Personally I think its not a choice by any force, but more of a coincidental chemical alignment. You took the perfect dose, with the perfect setting, that matched your unique makeup.

I havent had one. I've had a pretty awesome +3 2C-E, and I'd even say a really great +3 DXM trip. But nothing that I would define as +4.
 
manna - a small round thing on the ground that appears after the morning dew and turns to mush when the sun waxes hot.
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Man i collect though all the time, there these blue orbs that fall on the ground after i slay a monster with my FIREBOLT!!! and then bang im back to having full spell ability!
 
I have almost got there I think, 30mg's of 5-meo-dmt smoked... I fealt like my ego was dissolving and the my seances were melting together very hard to explain, I have never had anything like it... I was hugging a tree as well (??) then my (now ex)friend gave me a shove saying we should get going and blew me right out of my trance. Then he proceeded to push me towards the road well im tripping my ass off walking like.... hm... not really drunk.. more like a man possessed by demons in a satanic trance.. well he pushes me from our secluded little bushes area into a very actively used road with various people pointing at me.. asshole... I also got my arms all cut up when he pulled me from the tree :(
 
BiG StroOnZ said:
Exodus 16:
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I don't really see your point here: what does this exactly have to do with the plus 4 experience? I mean- manna has been described as having a sweet taste, or being a hardened "sugary resin" from various trees....
 
so are you describing sap there willow? ^

Now im kinda curious to crack the secret as to what "mana" really is.

fruni your bf is a doosch & shouldnt be tripped with in the future. Anyone like that needs 2 chill da out, leave me alone & fuck off.
 
I think tathra has a really good point here. Personally, I'll begin to keep my apartment cleaner and try to use drugs more wisely...I know, small goal but at least I can do it and you have to start from somewhere, isn't it ? :D

I'm under the impression that our mind choose some substance(s) in particular to achieve these state of mind. For me salvia (in combinaison, usually) is THE thing that leads me to this very special place full of knowledge. But when I read salvia reports, it doesn't seems to be the same for the majority..I mean it's strange how we construct some kind of links with substances.
 
FrostyMcFailure said:
Now im kinda curious to crack the secret as to what "mana" really is.
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I tend to believe that story describes a UFO encounter. They follow around a "pillar of cloud(or smoke)" by day that blocks them from the sunlight and turns into a "pillar of fire" by night and gives them light when it's dark. Food falls out of this thing in the sky so they don't starve to death. Eventually Moses ENTERS the pillar of cloud/fire, talks, and when he comes out, he has a weird glow to him. Later in the bible, hundreds of years in the future, Moses reappears with Elijah (who ALSO took a "chariot of fire" into the sky) and they chit-chat with Jesus. I'm thinking some sort of cloning project was going on. The only two people in the bible who were taken into the clouds show up years later with Jesus?

Most of you will think I'm a crazy, but I think I'm on the right track here.




Is ++++ really just ego death? I've "woken up" and realized I was just a grain of sand in the cosmic ocean of consciousness many, many times. I've even had it happen to me when I was sober (which then threw me into a brief psychotic episode lasting a few days). The first times I encountered magic and Shamanic(?I guess?) healing were pretty significant too.
 
swilow said:
I don't really see your point here: what does this exactly have to do with the plus 4 experience? I mean- manna has been described as having a sweet taste, or being a hardened "sugary resin" from various trees....
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That's because it was preserved in honey or molasses... What it has to do with the ++++ is Revelation 2:17 talking about "hidden manna," obviously referring to DMT, which the Egyptians new about (The Eye of Horus = Third Eye) and also the Egyptians developed the preservation method in honey or molasses for all their "medicines."

alt 14 said:
I tend to believe that story describes a UFO encounter...
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Mana is psilocybin cubensis, it's too blatantly obvious.
 
LOL, what? Sorry, but this post ^ is just ridiculous on so many levels.
 
^Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, or what you think you know or understand...
 
Well, explain it to me then. First of all - which one is it? DMT or Psilocybe Cubensis? Secondly, how is it blatantly obvious that it's either one of those? Do you have any references to back this up perchance? And how is that supposed to make me feel better about myself that you are contradicting yourself in the same post?

Sorry if my tone comes off as hostile or flaming, that was not my intention. It's just that my brain ran into a series of system errors when I read that post :D
 
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Well, explain it to me then. First of all - which one is it? DMT or Psilocybe Cubensis? Secondly, how is it blatantly obvious that it's either one of those? Do you have any references to back this up perchance? And how is that supposed to make me feel better about myself that you are contradicting yourself in the same post?

Sorry if my tone comes off as hostile or flaming, that was not my intention. It's just that my brain ran into a series of system errors when I read that post :D
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Mana is the Psilocybe mushroom (evidence points to this), one would make the "assumption" that the "hidden mana" only mentioned once in the Bible would be DMT. This is only "obvious" because the structural formula for Psilocybin is similar to DMT. Wherein, "DMT" is "hidden" in psilocybin, making DMT the "hidden mana"

Ventricular system, cerberal spinal fluid (which contains DMT) "Third Eye System" - Horus Connection

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How is it "blatantly obvious?" Mushrooms fell from the sky and people could eat them and not starve to death (mushrooms have very few calories btw)? If they kept the mushrooms for over a day they would mold and be unfit to eat? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm all for thinking a psychedelic spawned consciousness (fruit in garden of Eden story), saying it helped us start language (glossolalia), and even that the fruit that only the gods could eat in the book of Enoch was a psych, but I'm pretty sure mana wasn't referring to magic mushrooms. The scripture doesn't match up with your claims at all.



The third eye? That has NOTHING to do with mushrooms. There is a lot of psychic and spiritual energy there, yes, but mushrooms in particular do not hold any significance in relationship with the 3rd eye.
 
Oh, that sort of obvious :D That would make water "hidden oxygen", right? :\

And from what I understand, it is merely speculation made by the likes of McKenna, that the mythological substance called "manna" could be psilocybe cubensis. I have seen no such actual evidence that points to the fact.

I'm sure for you it's blatantly obvious what the mythical substance called "Soma" is as well?

EDIT: That was in reference to Big Stroonz' post above.
 
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