Tryptamines The Big & Dandy Changa Thread - 1st Toke Over the Line

[swilow]

Hey nice post nanobrain, and also strange song and link to vodka site from Folias.

 

[feelgoodhit]

that song isn't really *about* changa, is it?

 

[swilow]

^Dear god, I hope not.

 

[nanobrain]

"Chunga-Changa" song

the original indeed, often imitated, never replicated. damned Russians ;-)

Chunga Changa update

 

[TRPPNASS_DSCOMONKE]

whats the vodka link about, it wouldnt take me anywhere.

 

[nanobrain]

^that's cause you are not privy to the secret world domination plans of the Russian elfmagick alchemist enclaves ;-)

the key to the mystery is of course carefully encoded within the very lyrics of the Chunga-Changa song itself, if every 2nd vowel on odd-numbered lines were to be substituted for the 23rd pictoglyph of the infamous proto-meso-sumarian script and thus onbackwards, and the resultant text folded 4xacross, tied neatly with a virgin whale's tooth hair and burnt at midnight of the second full moon of the month and the smoke signals produced ran through a stack of Crays in your basement, all shall be revealed

 

[Tabaluga]

I have never understood the obsession with gut MAO. I mean, I can understand that people focussed on this when this was the only place we knew MAO existed, but we've known about CNS MAO for many years now so it is time for a rethink!

Administration methods that bypass the gut and take the tryptamine/MAO directly to the brain have been shown to work well before the MAOI has time to reach the gut. I think the smoked MAOI/DMT combo is the best proof yet that gut MAO is mostly irrelevant. I encourage anyone who still has doubt to try this method for themselves before commenting so that they can argue from a position of experience rather than from a position of theoretical nitwittery as is so common on this forum.

Changa hits hard and hits well before one exhales, which provides a timeframe well in line with other drugs that act directly on the CNS such as smoked crack, meth, nicotine, dmt, etc. These substances are taken up in the lungs from where they go back to the heart and then to the brain and body. If a body pass was required for the MAOI to work then an additional 30-60 seconds would be the absolute minimum required [much longer if the body pass has to be followed by another brain pass].

I hope we can finally put the gut MAO obsession to bed and focus on the CNS MAO.

 

[Coolio]

The MAOI effects aren't what 'hits hard and hits well'. The beta-carbolines are centrally acting psychedelics and intoxicants in and of themselves.

 

[Tabaluga]

The MAOI effects aren't what 'hits hard and hits well'.

actually, if you were to smoke the equal amount of dmt by itself you would not get the same strong effects. ie the smoked MAOI allows more dmt to get to the brain even within those first 30 seconds.

But you are right about your second part. some beta carbolines are active in their own right and can be smoked for immediate effect

 

[folias]

Thanks tabaluga for clarifying this issue!

Key Changa herbs (according to "The Chocolate Beast")

- Any sort of mint
- Mullein or Coltsfoot
- Ayahuasca vine and/or leaf
- Passionflower
- Damiana
- Justica Pectoralis
- any kind of psychoactive lily or lotus

Ratios depend on alchemists preference.

Many people are just using ayahuasca leaf/and or vine... this is nice and strong for full breakthrough, but is not a calming, smoothing, easy to smoke, alchemically amplified herbal combination of Changa as a blend of different herbs, which work in synergy.

Also, some report blend concentrations at 30/40% DMT... for full breakthrough, this is fine, although something like 20/25%, with the sweet spot being 22.2-23%, is more useful for all circumstances and occaisions! To go deeper, just smoke more! the 2nd smoke (say half an hour later) will always be stronger too!

Also, Vodka can be used to dissolve more than just your brain!


Julian.

 

[nanobrain]

^yes, vodka dissolves the liver marvelously as well! now, who be this 'Chocolate Beast' uncle J?

 

[Coolio]

actually, if you were to smoke the equal amount of dmt by itself you would not get the same strong effects. ie the smoked MAOI allows more dmt to get to the brain even within those first 30 seconds.

I know and didn't dispute that. The effect you feel from smoked changa though has nothing to do with MAOI inhibition. Only the 8-24 hour aftereffects are due to the MAOI inhibition. The immediate effects felt when you smoke changa without DMT are a result of the beta-carboline psychedelics which happen to be the same chemicals with MAOI activity, like harmaline.

MAO inhibition leads to a gradual climb in brain levels of catecholamines, giving an antidepressant effect mostly.

MAOI and psychedelia are two separate aspects of the herb. You can't feel MAOI acutely.

 

[Tabaluga]

I know and didn't dispute that. The effect you feel from smoked changa though has nothing to do with MAOI inhibition. Only the 8-24 hour aftereffects are due to the MAOI inhibition. The immediate effects felt when you smoke changa without DMT are a result of the beta-carboline psychedelics which happen to be the same chemicals with MAOI activity, like harmaline.

MAO inhibition leads to a gradual climb in brain levels of catecholamines, giving an antidepressant effect mostly.

MAOI and psychedelia are two separate aspects of the herb. You can't feel MAOI acutely.

Ok, now I get what you were trying to say. however, you are wrong. If you divide the changa mix into it's dmt component and it's beta carboline component then you do not get anything much from smoking the beta carboline component, other than maybe some antidepressant effect for the enxt day or so.

So, obviously if you combine an inactive dose of beta carboline and a small dose of dmt and you end up with a BIG dmt effect then this effect is due to MAO inhibition.

And why are you only referring to MAO inhibition causing a spike in catecholamines? MAOA inhibition works mostly on tryptamines and has little to do with catecholamines.

And you are also wrong about not feeling MAOI acutely [obviously you need a monoamine to feel it though]. Injecting small doses of moclobemide gives virtually no effect, yet doing so together with dmt will amplify the effect of the dmt multifold.

Seems you are quoting from some very outdated and largely irrelevant medical texts.

 

[folias]

Me Personally, I don't drink water from the tap!


Julian.

 

[nanobrain]

^all 3 of us, me, myself and i agree -
Folias dont do dat tap. but does he dance!

 

[nomis]

Is there a recipie for making an "organic" changa smoke mix

One without using any pure chemicals, just readily (internet) available plants?



I am not asking about synthesis of illegal substance here, just requesting a combination of herbs/plants

 

[Vader]

Changa is usually Caapi vines impregnated with extracted DMT, iirc. If you want to make it, you'll need to do an extaction. It's easy enough, but you'll need some pure chemicals.

 

[MrTiHKAL]

If you don't want to extract the bark ayahuasca is your only option as far as I know.

 

[adrian89987]

Yea you will need the DMT in freebase form to smoke it, making this process difficult without using pure chemicals

 

[nomis]

OK so no need to buy pure chemicals, but they are required (DMT) via extraction..

Can that be done at home without blowing things up or burning the place down?