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MEGA - Thinking about joining the military.

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I am willing to die for the population of Canada, not for the PM. But yes, I feel I would be content knowing I died to help keep Canada un-occupied if faced by an invasion.

As it stands, I was willing to die to help the people of Haiti and Afghanistan has a more free, stable, safe place to live. I feel its good way to die, and was happy to take the risk.
 
^ You know I honestly still get confused when you post about your service. Were you not fighting for the Americans? :)

Still - you say "canadian population", you know that much more than half of them think that you are sub-human because of your heavy drug use?

I'd go as far as saying that they'd be far more ungrateful for your service than even myself.
 
I think most of the current population is worthless and belong in jail, just so that's cleared up. Don't forget I am talking about England here..

So, lets weigh things up.
The UK is invaded. My choice is to become a pacifist (if we're to exclude fleeing the country) where I literally become a hermit, because if we're talking extremes, then even working will contribute to the defence of my homeland via taxes. Eventually have to move back into civilization where someone new is in power via military take-over and imposes harsher laws.
Or..
Sign up and help or die trying.

My only qualm is that I'll only be fighting again people just like me who believe they're doing right by invading (although most Western troops in Iraq now know what they're doing isn't right).

Plus, if I ever did enlist, who says I'll be a soldier?
 
rangrz said:
But I would rather my people are living in sickening excess at the expense of others, then live in some shitty, but equal world...

its better for me this way.
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The thing that's most fucked up is that you know the hard truth of the war, and you still choose to stand behind it. You're not the first soldier I've met to acknowledge this. It's funny. There was a time, not so long ago when I thought soldiers were just drinking Uncle Sam's Kool-Aid about WMD's and muslims hating freedom.

It actually shocked me to realize that a lot of soldiers knew it was all bullshit, and acknowledge national self-interest at the expense of others. I can imagine that Hitler's army in WWII felt similar about world domination and ethnic cleansing, despite being good fathers, friends, and citizens.

It still scares me though. It's like a part of you has to die to allow your mind to work like that.
 
eDDe9 said:
The UK is invaded. My choice is to become a pacifist (if we're to exclude fleeing the country) where I literally become a hermit, because if we're talking extremes, then even working will contribute to the defence of my homeland via taxes.
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This is very illogical. Do you see what you're saying?

I cannot really reply with more until you fix your logic, since this makes absolutely no sense as is.

Even if you were to fix your logic here, I was still not talking about extremes, and therefore you are "refuting" a situation that I never implied. Being a pacifist does not necessarily entail being a hermit.

For the record, I am a survivor of an invaded country and your scenario doesn't apply to me.
 
I don't see what I'm saying because I haven't bothered to read what I posted.

To put it simply, I would be honoured to defend my country against some brutal dictator bent on wiping out the Brits or anyone else
 
I think most of the current population is worthless and belong in jail, just so that's cleared up. Don't forget I am talking about England here..
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I liked this quote! :D
 
Kyk said:
The thing that's most fucked up is that you know the hard truth of the war, and you still choose to stand behind it. You're not the first soldier I've met to acknowledge this. It's funny. There was a time, not so long ago when I thought soldiers were just drinking Uncle Sam's Kool-Aid about WMD's and muslims hating freedom.

It actually shocked me to realize that a lot of soldiers knew it was all bullshit, and acknowledge national self-interest at the expense of others. I can imagine that Hitler's army in WWII felt similar about world domination and ethnic cleansing, despite being good fathers, friends, and citizens.

It still scares me though. It's like a part of you has to die to allow your mind to work like that.
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I'm already like that without being in the military... and yes my parents call me crazy, so do my friends... we'll see what I'll do after my bachelors...meh
 
Ive posted this in quite a few threads in here....So here ya go

Well i've spent almost 7 years in the Air Force now and im actually working on separating back into civilian life...

If you join the Army or Marines...there is no doubt inm y mind you are going to Iraq or Afghanistan....

Depending on how well you do on your ASVAB (military aptitude test) will depend on what jobs are available to you....In the Army it doesnt matter if you are computer tech, mechanic, ect....You are a soldier first and at any moment they can take that keyboard out of your hand and replace it w/ a rifle....

In the Air Force....your job is your job no matter where you go

I currently am an Aircraft Maintainer.....Specifically Avionics (Aircraft electronic systems) and have worked on Bombers, Aerial Refuelers and Cargo planes....

Ive actually gotten extremely lucky in the deployment and assignment department....I was stationed in North Dakota for 3 years and in that time I deployed to both Guam and Diego Garcia (small tropical island in the Indian Ocean...was beautiful there) the bomber I worked were long range so they never are at a combat zone base....they fly to the action and come back to somewhere calm

My next 3 years were spent in Germany and I was fortunate enough to skip out on the desert and was sent to Cyprus (think Greece) for 4 motnhs....Even if i was deployed to the desert I have piece of mind knowing I wont be on the front lines with a rifle in my hands....Id have a soldering iron and ill most likely make it back safely...

I have the utmost respect for what the Army, Marines and the people on the front lines do....But that just isnt what i wanna do....Not to mention Ive received college credit and FAA certification that i can bring back to the real world when i get out in a few months...Again no disresepct to any soldiers...but what kind of job can you get in the outside world w/ combat training? Club bouncer??

My advice would be to go into the Air Force or Navy and get a technical job that will benefit you on the outside world and not to mention keep you out of harms way...

My military experience has benefited me tremendously and i do not regret any of the time ive served....Ive traveled the world, learned valuable skills and matured quite a bit....But again the military is not me and i feel im ready to get back to civilian life again....

Whatever your choice...think more long term than just trying to get away from your problems...

Also half of what recruiters tell you is BS....you are nothing more than their quota for the month.....If at all possible have a prior military friend to help you weed out all of the bullshit....

Best of luck bro....Hope you mke the right decision
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Interesting Hypnotik.

I guess most people who join the military are probably hoping for something similar to what you experienced. I can't imagine many people actually want to be shipped overseas to kill other people.

I wonder how recruiters actually rope so many people into signing up for the "front lines" as you call it.
 
My advice would be to go into the Air Force or Navy and get a techincal job that will benefit you in the outside world and not to mention keep you out of harms way...
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I agree with you 100% on this one Hypnotik, but Army and Marines are the only branches that will take you if you have any criminal record.
 
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And you can have quite a bit of a record with the marines at least. All you need is for the recruiter to sign off and send up some waivers.

And... if you have anything but perfect colorvision don't expect to qualify for many MOS's
 
Was talking with some people on another forum, one who's just been recommissioned - lieutenant of a medic platoon off to Afghanistan in Spring.

Anyway, for the most part, its about learning new skills, learning discipline, motivation and other personal qualities and acheivements by which I would like to better myself. Also, I have found myself recently feeling bored with the usual jobs on offer, there really is nothing that interests me and I fancy a change. Surely there has to be more to life than work 9-5 then coming home for dinner and television pretty much every day? I just don't want to end up bored with what I'm doing, not feeling like I'm being challenged or enjoying it enough, and the armed forces I would hope offers something a little different.

I know a lot of people nowadays talk about the political aspects of the armed forces, and Iraq and Afghanistan, but really I don't care about what the Daily Mirror readers think about if we should be there or not. It seems pretty vogue to be over-liberal nowadays, and hey thats fine, I guess thats just how fickle fashion is. A lot of people can't understand this, and I fully accept it as everyone is different and entitled to their perspectives, but I want to see active service and combat. I don't particularly care where it is and who it is against, or what aims it may ultimately politically acheive. All it really comes down to when you're on the battlefield is you and the people next to you, the hostility of your surroundings and the fight for survival. That, in essence, is something ultimately pure, and something I would like to experience.
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Not my words, but I think this post sums up the reasons
 
A lot of people can't understand this, and I fully accept it as everyone is different and entitled to their perspectives, but I want to see active service and combat. I don't particularly care where it is and who it is against, or what aims it may ultimately politically acheive. All it really comes down to when you're on the battlefield is you and the people next to you, the hostility of your surroundings and the fight for survival. That, in essence, is something ultimately pure, and something I would like to experience.
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I'm sorry but that is fucking soulless. A robot has more conviction than this guy. A lot of US soldiers remind me of MLM Amway or Primerica marketers. It's like the life has been sucked out of them and they're dead inside. It blows my mind how anyone can think this way.
 
nah, dont go in the army, man. you could get crippled or seriously burned. they want you to be their pawn. keep that in mind.
 
This is my personal 2 cents. My 20 yr old little brother is in the army. He hates it, but it's good money. He gets fucked up all the time and could give a shit less if he gets in trouble for smoking pot or whatever, because all they do is strip your rank for 45 days, take some of your pay, and give you crappy duties. Not that bad. They won't kick him out. He'd have to do something seriously bad. Don't get me wrong, though, the army VERY MUCH looks down on drug users, including marijuana.
It's a hell of a career, but it's not for everyone. My brother just volunteered to go to Iraq. More money, he'll rank up several times and come back at least a specialist. So, it's all how you look at it. He's got a bad-ass car and plenty of money for himself. They take good care of him financially. So in that respect the army is OK.
It's just not for me. I might join if it weren't for the fucked up disks in my back. But you can't join the army if you take opiate pain medication. Whatever.
Anyhow, good luck on your decision. You have to weigh alot of things out. You may have to kill someone, and you're signing up to possible be killed. Think about it. If you choose to go, more power to you and God bless.
 
Kyk said:
I'm sorry but that is fucking soulless. A robot has more conviction than this guy. A lot of US soldiers remind me of MLM Amway or Primerica marketers. It's like the life has been sucked out of them and they're dead inside. It blows my mind how anyone can think this way.
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Would you rather they cherish the mediocrity of today's society? Fuck that shit.
 
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If you're going to join, get yourself commissioned.

Its not worth it going in as a private. Get your degree and become an officer
 
if you're not interested in getting an education, remember that a lot of the army's "financial benefit" comes in the form of a free college education.

Otherwise you should seriously consider the fact that you might be hurt, or hurt others. Is this something you want to do?

You should figure out a way to grow weed if you are looking for excitement and money.
 
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