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Esoteric [Bad Trip Subthread] How Do You Define "Bad Trip"?

Last time I did DXM I had a REALLY bad trip! I was climbing to the third plateau and I started to feel like I didn't have a tummy anymore because this vortex wormhole thingy on my ceiling sucked my mid section clear from my body and my jaw was shaking out of control and I just couldn't stop yawning and tripping! and then all of my limbs got crampy n stiff and I couldn't hardly walk! It was sooo scary.

I'm glad that I'll never do that stuff again.

~Pix
 
A frightening trip can be good and leave you feeling great . . . when its finally fucking over. I'd say Hoffmans first intentional ingestion of LSD was probably one of the worst trips ever
 
I've always thought that a bad trip is a lot more benefitial to your mind than a normal one

Why? Because you confront stuff that you couldn't think about sober.
Sure, it may be horrible (never had one myself) and the descriptions are really scary, but next time you think you're about to get into a bad trip, remember these wise words from G-Bum:

WHAT EXACTLY MAKES A BAD TRIP WORSE THAN A NIGHTMARE?

Nothing.

WHAT EXACTLY MAKES A NIGHTMARE WORSE THAN A BAD TRIP?

When you're dreaming, you don't know you're dreaming. When you're tripping, you do.

One last thing ... if you're uber-worried about bad trips, chances are you'll have a bad trip every single time you take a psych.
My suggestion: Remember that bad trips are just like nightmares. I guess it should help.
 
I would consider a panic attack on drugs (stimulants, hallucinogens more so) to be one of the most scary things in life, it is definately a bad trip. One really believes that death is one step behind. I used to not belive in bad trips too but after having one, I know they exist:) I wish nobody experiences one. They may teach a lot but they leave a person shaken for a long fucking time.
 
I do not neccesarily consider a difficult trip to be a bad trip. I've had a number of very difficult experiences, but I'd only say that I've had 1.. possibly 2 bad trips out of every experience I've had.

The difficult ones are unpleasant, but are tolerable. I think I probably learn the most from these, and they are usually difficult because I am forced to look at issues or problems in my life.

On the bad trip I had, I was out of it. It was more than just wanting it to end... I was terrified on a level I never thought possible. I sat curled in a ball behind the couch with hunting knife, wanting so badly to just cut my throat and escape from the hell I was in. I was scared to death, and if anyone other than my GF had come through the bedroom door, I would probably have stabbed them, fearing for my life. I thought everyone was out to get me, and was shaking and sweating. I knew I was never coming down.. and that even if I ever did that I'd be permanently fucked up in the head.

It sucked pretty bad.
 
My last real mushroom trip was a pretty difficult trip. Not to say I didn't enjoy it, but at the end of the trip I really wanted it to end, for I was really hungover at my friends condo far away from home.

I remember wanting to just be at home in my bed where I felt safe. I don't really remember how terrified I was though.
 
WHAT EXACTLY MAKES A NIGHTMARE WORSE THAN A BAD TRIP?

When you're dreaming, you don't know you're dreaming. When you're tripping, you do.
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Well to me a REAL badtrip, the one who may traumatise you for month is exactly the opposite: you know you've dropped some shrooms or acid, but you believe your worst fears are real now, I mean you don't think anymore "this is just drug induced fears and hallucinations" : you just fear something horrible and you're sure it IS real (you know you took drugs but you feel that "your fears arn't related to the drug, they are real and present, you're in danger for sure, the drug isn't the cause"). And as you're awake, that make a REAL bad trip much worst than a nightmare (because a nightmare has a dreamy & unreal feeling attached to it , but when awake it's just completely real, not dreamy at all so it's much more terrifying, so present and painful). To me, as long as you're experiencing fear but you still know it is drug induced, you're not really bad tripping (it's just a "difficult experience", it's extremely unconfortable & stressful but it isn't "pure mental suffering" as would be what I call a REAL badtrip, the traumatising one)...to me a real bad trip is when you start believing completely that your fears are real (and stop thinking it's drug related)...I think some call such badtrips "psychotic breaks". I experienced it several times: not fun at all (the first time it happened to me, when I finally came down, I was convinced that NO human beeing should ever have to go through such a thing).
 
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There are different types of bad trips. I will list the ones I can think of.

-the ones where something bad happens that would be bad even if not tripping (getting arrested, jumped, beaten, injured, raped, etc.)

-guilt trip (this can be good, because you can learn from it how to be a better person maybe)

-panic, anxiety, fear about mental/physical sensations

-'the fear' - I don't really know how to explain it but it seems to happen with 5-MeO-DMT, it is just a feeling of intense fear with no reason

-effects of pre-existing disorder getting stronger (I guess this would happen if a paranoid schizophrenic took a big dose of LSD or something)

That's what I could think of at the top of my head, there should be a few more .
 
Any trip that isn't enjoyable is MY definition of a bad trip. But when I reflect on bad trips I always learn the most and have the best laughs. I mean theres nothing funnier than sitting around with some friends and talking about how I was running from the refrigarator because I thought it was Satan trying to kill me. Yeah, thats my definiton of a bad trip.
 
One where I don't learn anything.
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Exactly.

I'd say I've had one "bad trip", several experiences of taking a psychedelic stupidly (either due to set, setting, drug, or dosage), and a couple of very upsetting or unpleasant trips that I got a lot out of and learnt a lot from.

The ones I would consider fairly worthless wee ones where I was stressed out, sick, had used an incompatible drug like alcohol to excess, or tripped too frequently in a short period of time.
 
Having a panic attack. Not even that...having a panic attack is one thing, being convinced that you're having a heart attack for two hours (even though you know that makes no sense but time feels as if it's slowed down to a trickle so it may make sense)...that's what I'm talking about as being a bad trip.

So far, only from marijuana. :\
 
Having a panic attack. Not even that...having a panic attack is one thing, being convinced that you're having a heart attack for two hours (even though you know that makes no sense but time feels as if it's slowed down to a trickle so it may make sense)...that's what I'm talking about as being a bad trip.

So far, only from marijuana. :\
 
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On the bad trip I had, I was out of it. It was more than just wanting it to end... I was terrified on a level I never thought possible. I sat curled in a ball behind the couch with hunting knife, wanting so badly to just cut my throat and escape from the hell I was in. I was scared to death, and if anyone other than my GF had come through the bedroom door, I would probably have stabbed them, fearing for my life. I thought everyone was out to get me, and was shaking and sweating. I knew I was never coming down.. and that even if I ever did that I'd be permanently fucked up in the head.

It sucked pretty bad.
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I'd say something along those lines is the worst :(
 
I don't think there is such a thing as a bad trip, You can have an experience, which seems subjectively negative, but it's not a bad trip. Old american Indian Shamans, who are very orientated in realms of human consciousness, say that, sometimes the experience takes you into the underworld, and sometimes it takes you to higher realms. it depends where you are at.

From my personal experiences, I can tell you, that the so called "bad" trips are just as good as the good ones. During the psychedelic experience, you see yourself as you truly are, so if you're a bastard, you are left to deal with that. If you're not honest with yourself, and always run from yourself, you can get caught out during the psychedelic experience. You are simply forced to look at yourself. And work shit out. And if you're ego is too big, and you don't want to face your shit, negative experience occurs. ANd it will keep occurring. Until you work your shit out. So really, no such thing as a bad trip. Just bad parts of your own self.

It's just about being honest with yourself.

So to put it into a sentence, during "negative" experience, you are identifying parts of yourself that no longer serve you. During the positive experience, you are creating new parts of yourself which will serve you for better than the old ones.

Love and Light :D
 
my last mushroom trip i felt as if my body was being clenched in agony over and over again. everything my eyes perceived that night was the same thing that i had seen like over a million times, like worse than deja vu. In the end though it didnt feel bad, it felt good though almost as if my body was being cleansed.
 
This is why I don't do shrooms as often as I used to. I hate that feeling of anxiety, of fear, going nuts over nothing. I hate the feeling of losing my grip, losing control of myself. But even though I hate this, I still drop shrooms every year.
 
Hektic --- that's what the psychedelic experience is. Ego disillusion. Letting go of control. next time you do shrooms, let go. It's the control itself that brings on the pain. If you let go, you will feel infinitely better.
 
A bad trip is where I let my fears and attachments get in the way, when I believe in false perceptions, and I learn nothing, also if I'v been jerk then I usually end up dealing with it and that can be tough but i tresure my mistakes and learn from them the best I can.
 
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