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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

BK38 said:
Wouldn't know mate, but judging from the folks selling, I'd reckon it's number 3.
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On that note, people over here (not everyone now, just two that I've come across) have been sniffing it. I was always under the impression that wasnt possible with Afghan #3.
I mean obviously you sniff whatever powder you want all day but it doesnt mean you're going to get a high off it.
 
axe battler said:
Had some bee the other day. Shot 0.45g (with a 100mg/day methadone tolerance).
Felt nice, but probably only 5/10 blondins due to the amount I had to put in the pin.
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Interesting to know. UK right? Heard its mainly bash in Dubbers, bar the odd few batches floating around that get whipped up at extortionate prices.
 
endlessnameless said:
On that note, people over here (not everyone now, just two that I've come across) have been sniffing it. I was always under the impression that wasnt possible with Afghan #3.
I mean obviously you sniff whatever powder you want all day but it doesnt mean you're going to get a high off it.
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You can sniff but the B/A is only about 25% (50% smoking iv 100% Iv obv)
 
I would think smoking BA to be under 50%. I remember that a single baggie in a rig used to hit me way harder than 2 of them on foil. I admit that I had a terribly bad smoking techinque, tho
Snorting it is a total waste, did it couple of times (solid doses) out of lack of works and it barely kept me out of wds
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
I've had the same concept.

A woman I speak to online who lives in the worst part of Canada (East side Vancouver near China town) said the same too. She used to work in a needle exchange and consumption room and she's seen the way Fent swept the city, She's heard people higher up in the company saying they are glad it's this bad as it'll remove the addicts!!! 😳😳😲😲

The BBC had a piece on Opium and apparently in Afghanistan they have HUGE amounts of Opium stashed away, I'm NOT talking about Kilos here I'm on about TONS of the stuff. Apparently as opium ages it gets better and more powerful but I'm not sure if that's true, if more wise members of EADD know about this stuff let me know.

If that's the case why hasn't it been released onto the market?
There is no reason why there weird Chinese made drugs should be on the market in my view.

Literally tons are sitting under some guys bed in North-West Afghanistan, Free The Opium I say.

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Agree 100% and glad to see that others are seeing it the same way. I understand how fent makes its way to Canada but to Britain? Of course there are routes etc but no one asked for it, there was a healthy market for heroin and now suddenly people are dropping like flies, just as the harm reduction measures we all talk about have started to come into play. This is a kind of Malthusian population control I reckon.
 
BTW in terms of sniffing it it might be worth sniffing off a key - if you get high it's probs cut with fent or any other opioid that it bioavailable that way.

Half joking but worth a try eh?
 
axe battler said:
Could be a tactic by the taliban to wipe out us infidels.
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That's always been how they justified it, when they justified it. But there are plenty of warlord types who still move it and the Taliban turn a blind eye. I'm talking about when it gets to these islands and suddenly all kinds of nasty shit is turning up in the gear.
 
Señor Moreno said:
I would think smoking BA to be under 50%. I remember that a single baggie in a rig used to hit me way harder than 2 of them on foil. I admit that I had a terribly bad smoking techinque, tho
Snorting it is a total waste, did it couple of times (solid doses) out of lack of works and it barely kept me out of wds
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Tried smoking it in a rolled up cigarette before and it gave me an incredible buzz. Now having said that, at the time I would have only smoked it maybe <5 times and my technique would have been crap (although that wouldnt affect bioavailability, no matter how poor your technique is, as long as you're inhaling any amount at all then its still 50% B/A). That was so nice...
 
I think it's just simple greed. Fentanyl and various other super-potent synthetics are easier to manufacture, and you can sell more doses from the same amount of drug. Sure it's not in a dealer's interest to kill some of his customer base, but for every one that drops there's another five who wanna buy. Plus enough people are willing to take fent or whatever other trash if that's all they can get, that a handful of discerning heroin users demanding a better product aren't gonna influence the current market that much.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
I think it's just simple greed. Fentanyl and various other super-potent synthetics are easier to manufacture, and you can sell more doses from the same amount of drug. Sure it's not in a dealer's interest to kill some of his customer base, but for every one that drops there's another five who wanna buy. Plus enough people are willing to take fent or whatever other trash if that's all they can get, that a handful of discerning heroin users demanding a better product aren't gonna influence the current market that much.
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That is true of course but it is more complex economically in this part of the world. In the US, their gear mostly comes up through the border via the cartels now and for them, manufacturing fentanyl is more productive, efficient and less costly than growing poppies, processing and then smuggling something that is a lot bulkier. Of course the gear we get has been coming mostly from Aghanistan and there are routes, agreements, cooperations that have been in place for a very long time. Afghan farmers most likely aren't going to start making fentanyl and the Taliban wouldn't allow it anyway unless they get desperate and basically copy the South American cartels (they do business with China and so could get the precursor chemicals in the same way, but its highly unlikely). So it is somewhere near the end of the supply chain where fentanyl is being added. I've heard of labs in the UK, I'm sure there are plenty all over Europe. If the European traffickers started to move away from heroin and do what the cartels across the pond have been doing, this could create a lot of problems. It is happening but its a slower process. It could stem from the European Cartels and the North and West African traffickers becoming closer to the big cartels in Mexico etc. - economically it could make sense to start ordering shipments of fentanyl and putting it on the street as "heroin", as a cut at first, given the sheer volume and of course the potency and, as you say, most addicts will take anything as long as it gets the monkey off their back. But is hard to say.

At the moment, in the British isles, I think that its more likely that shipments of heroin are coming in via the usual channels, maybe less than normal due to the state of Afghanistan and somewhere between the kilos being distributed and ending up on the street, some low-to-mid level OCGs (organised crime groups) are putting fent/other synthetic opioids in as a cut in certain towns, cities and regions. What would help us understand what's going on in the supply chain is knowing when these nasty cuts make their way into the gear. I doubt that these cuts get into the gear before they get into the country. This is why I think that the state/authorities might be involved, given that the drug trade wouldn't be able to exist without some level of complicity on their part. Either that or simple greed as the man said, but that would mean that your average OCG would have a fentanyl source. Of course there are labs and so this is all assuming that fent gets into the gear after it gets into the country, it could be added on its way but I doubt it. In the case that the fent gets added after entering the country, it could be that some firm in the NW of Engerland moves a couple of keys and also has a lab somewhere making fentanyl, like they have done with amphetamines, MDMA and other synthetics and add it to the ounces they send out. That or they order some fentanyl online or have contacts that can get it in and add it before cutting it into ounces and moving it down the supply chain. Given the potency and the fact that it can be moved more easily, it is viable that they could buy one key to cut five to ten keys, maybe more (I don't know the ratio). This wouldn't explain xylazine showing up in gear though - I'm not sure but I don't think that its something that can be cooked up with relative ease like fentanyl, yet it has been found in "heroin" in the British Isles - look on wedinos and you'll actually find a sample of "codeine phosphate" containing xylazine as the main and only active ingredient! Maybe there are sources for it here or in Europe more broadly but it seemed to come out of nowhere quite quickly from one of the Central American countries where it was already being used/abused (maybe Puerto Rico - not sure). Maybe the "codeine phosphate" example on wedinos is a way that they are getting it into the country, via fake pharmaceuticals as the cartels have done in the USA, with just about any tablets containing fentanyl, whether opioid or benzo. Even cocaine has been cut with fentanyl on a large scale, especially in the USA. Seen that in the British Isles also and it doesn't really make sense as a cut, but it will likely have coke heads ending up with a much more severe habit - maybe they did think that one through. Anyway it is all strange and worrying. If only addicts were able to enact boycotts lol.

All I know is that it is suspicious that suddenly a supply of relatively stable heroin that has existed for a long time has suddenly been disrupted by fentanyl, other horrible synthetic opioids or nasty cuts like xylazine being added. It could be that the Latin American cartels are starting to further dominate the European market and are challenging the old Afghan routes, it could be greedy OCGs at various levels understanding that addicts will buy anything as long as it does the trick, it could be a big state-sponsored MI5 operation to scupper harm reduction (I know it sounds tin-foil hat but lets not be as naive as to say that MI5/6 has no power over the drug trade) or it could be a combination of these things and more. It is highly suspicious and I recommend that everyone get on a script, test the gear slowly by smoking it before you jam it into a vein and always keep naloxone around!
 
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Here in the UK heroin is mostly still heroin, though there's been reports of fentanyl creeping into the supply since around 2015.

I've twice had gear that knocked me out cold and when I came round the residual high lacked that typical warm pleasure and just felt somehow off and 'dirty' (don't know how else to describe it). Purely on suspicion because it was so different I tested the rest afterwards and it came up positive on both occasions (I then binned the bag because, no thanks). I got paranoid after that and took to testing routinely every time I got a new batch. Didn't come across it again. So, to my knowledge I've had fent-contaminated shit twice that I can confirm.
 


India opium production is up. Whole thing is just smoke and mirrors as per usual imo. Bet there's still a massive stash of raw opium in Afghanistan & Pakistan too. Iran. Then you've got Myanmar wanting to export more #4. There is no real logistical reason for a heroin drought at this point i dont think.
 
As well as today, I also scored on Friday, with a family member having a legit reason to drive into the city I was able to make use of the time before the drive back home by taking a walk up to my best and oldest link and grabbing 3 of each. Theres always an excuse that fucking drips like me can use that no one is ever stupid enough to actually treat as a justification, but perhaps this last one will at least make sense to most members familiar with my total love for drugs, a love that persists due to my utter selfishness and gives me no right to still be alive and still as well as I am, never mind posting messages on here emphasising the fact. But, with drugs being what they are and the effect they have on the mood and desire to communicate, here I am, exalting my experiences. The last Oz. of weed I bought a couple of weeks ago was getting down to the last 1/8 so my excuse for buying the junkie wraps was to help stretch the last bit of ganj i have, with my man being in Europe again for the next couple of weeks.

With just 3 bees I 'tested' the first one by chucking it on a plate and smoking about 1/4 of it to check if it appeared to be street heroin which, although somewhat moderate in perceived strength, it seemed to be. The 2nd bag ( being counted by me as the first due to the partial use of the previous item for 'testing purposes' as per my usual ritual was cooked up but after trying for 15 minutes to get a proper register, the amount of blood from the 'nearly' spots was congealing in the pin to the extent that it was pointless to try and make what at that stage would have been a 4th transfer from one syringe to a fresh one, leaving me to make the one rare decision required from time to time that is actually in the interest of my health and binning the shot as opposed to trying for an easy access but 'tard level high risk site.

I know that my days of shooting my first dose of gear in order to defeat my methadone tolerance have been long numbered and so far I have, on the couple of occasions when required, had at least enough self preservation to dispose of an IV shot before deliberately and seriously hurting myself to try and administer it. So, I have safer options due in the post this week in order to help give this type of ridiculousness a rest - a fantastic package worth looking forward to containing a top up on the bud (1/4 of 'Cherry Sherbet' which I have not tried before), 30 more of the superb and dirt cheap Cambodian 'ZEPAM 10' diazepam tablets I am currently using instead of the usual international generic brands and finally, 2 strips of 100mg 'Zomorph' XR morphine sulphate tablets. However, being the greedy cunt I am I went out and scored again before picking up my weeks Rx and with a couple of extra bits just in case I had to smoke the lot, I indulged in my usual bullshit routine, getting a shot registered and in on the first attempt. It was so fucking good I felt compelled to share all this rubbish.

So - TDLR: still real gear this end, but despite this I am still not taking anything for granted <3
 
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