What ever happened to PCP?

[brokedownpalace10]

Yeah. I e actually heard from some very experienced chemists and they told me that PCP is a good drug and that it just got a bad rap with one rapper cutting his manhood off while high on it and ppl acting crazy and stuff.

But he said used responsibly that it’s a good drug.

Yeah. Basically just said the media ruined the drug.

Isn’t that the case with most drugs though? Almost all have a use and it’s always the dose is the poison.

PCP is a great anesthetic. Problem is that it doesn't knock your body out. So, you're on a dissociative anesthetic but mobile and walking around.

 

[Juicewrldfan]

PCP is a great anesthetic. Problem is that it doesn't knock your body out. So, you're on a dissociative anesthetic but mobile and walking around.

Ahhh…so guy probably cut his junk off because he was essentially sleep walking and dreaming. Acting his dreams out. Wild…talk about a dude awakening.

 

[AlsoTapered]

The dangers of PCP seem to be that a small percentage of users do crazy stuff while under the influence. One guy (after a massive oral dose) really did pull out his own eyes, for example. Now I've seen interviews and he was careful to say that he thought that dosing is critical.

PCP is a really potent DRI so it's both a dissociative AND a potent stimulant. So people going through dissociation are not lying down (as per K and MXE), they will go out and do stuff.

fastandbulbous reported that PCP caused extreme locostimulation. FAB is extremely experienced with many arylcyclohextlamine dissociatives and stated that PCP is one drug they wouldn't want to try again. That said, FAB did tend to go for quite 'heroic' doses.

I've just read that meta -OH PCP has much higher affinity to the NMDA receptor and reasonable MOR affinity (I don't consider 39-60nM to be 'high') and so I presume it's more potent thus it's DRI activity won't be as pronounced.

I might add that I've been closely reading about PCP labs being found in the US. Usually on the coast so that the wind will reliably carry the solvent fumes out to sea. If asked to guess, I would suggest the Chinese are selling the intermediate Grignard reagent dissolved in ether or THF and using their classic trick - just labelling the barrels AS the solvent.

m-OH PCP is more complex to make so I'm wondering if it's being made in China and smuggled in.

 

[Mjäll]

What would m-OH PCP be with numerical annotation?

 

[foodcrisis]

Ahhh…so guy probably cut his junk off because he was essentially sleep walking and dreaming. Acting his dreams out. Wild…talk about a dude awakening.

i just got this from google: "Wu-Tang Clan-affiliated rapper Andre Johnson was high on PCP when he sliced off penis: report. Sources said Johnson used a serrated steak knife, like the one pictured, to rip through his genitalia. Johnson is a member of the group Northstar, which was discovered by Wu-Tang member RZA in 1998"

Is this the dude you were talking about? i've never heard about this up until now... crazy... i remember as a kid people saying that's what "acid" will make a person do way before this dude. totally remember people saying drugs will make a person cut their dick off in elementary school. lol. PCP has had a bunch of rumours about it way before rap music was invented too though. i wonder how many people have actually cut their dick off because of drugs and not meaning like planned surgeries with docotrs. weird shit. my father was telling me a story about his cousin in the seventies, he thought he was supposed to shoot out street lights while he was on PCP or something.. it must be hard to dose accurately. i don't often hear people having totally crazy experiences from DXM and i hear a lot of stories about that. i have no idea how similar they are though. just that they are both disassociates. i assume dxm is easier to accurately dose... i'm googling this now and it sounds like pcp is dosed a lot lower than dxm too, so i'm guessing a lot of people just have problems cause it's a cultural thing to not really care about weighing it out correctly. like a good dose of lsd can probably get a person to cut their dick off and that doesn't really have as bad of a wrap.. i know some people that are pretty careless about dosing that to people too though.

 

[Jnowhere]

PCP ain't like lsd or shrooms. Nasty stuff and I remember watching the show Cops: Guys on it always ended up naked and a bunch of cops could barely handle these guys. One particular episode a naked guy with a gun( the cops had no idea where his clothes were) broke into a barber shop at night. The owner lived upstairs. The naked dude had a gun and the owner of the barber shop and him had a shoot out. The cops were able to subdue him, but PCP is a nightmare waiting to happen.
.

 

[unodelacosa]

Yeah. I e actually heard from some very experienced chemists and they told me that PCP is a good drug and that it just got a bad rap with one rapper cutting his manhood off while high on it and ppl acting crazy and stuff.

No, there are way more incidents than just Andre Johnson dismembering himself. For example, the rapper, Big Lurch killed his roommate and ate her heart bc he thought she was the devil. He's serving a life sentence because of this incident. And there are many more. Dose and personal inclination toward psychotic breaks plays a role in this. That said, this kind of response is uncommon, and PCP is a schedule II drug – it's the pharmaceutical dissociative, Seronyl.

But he said used responsibly that it’s a good drug.

One of my favorites, in fact. I've had some of the most profound drug experiences in my life on PCP and its 3-substituted analogs.

Yeah. Basically just said the media ruined the drug.

That's a bit reductive to blame the media. Irresponsible drug use and improper dosing are also factors. And the drug is not for everyone. Those inclined to mental illness should avoid it for sure. But yeah, PCP folklore is very much a product of the 1970s that's managed to stay around for decades.

Isn’t that the case with most drugs though? Almost all have a use and it’s always the dose is the poison.

The concept of a drug "having a use" is fucking stupid, especially since we allow law enforcement agencies to determine this supposed utility of each drug, despite not being qualified to do so.

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i just got this from google: "Wu-Tang Clan-affiliated rapper Andre Johnson was high on PCP when he sliced off penis: report. Sources said Johnson used a serrated steak knife, like the one pictured, to rip through his genitalia. Johnson is a member of the group Northstar, which was discovered by Wu-Tang member RZA in 1998"

Yeah that's true. There's another famous tale of rapper Big Lurch who killed and ate part of his roommate bc he was convinced she was the Devil or something along those lines, IIRC.

i wonder how many people have actually cut their dick off because of drugs

Unbelievably low numbers, I'm sure. Suicides are probably more likely. You have better chances of hitting the lottery, probably, but dosing recklessly doesn't help I'm sure.

it must be hard to dose accurately.

Not really.

i don't often hear people having totally crazy experiences from DXM and i hear a lot of stories about that.

There are a lot of Salvia stories I've heard about. Also synthetic cannabinoids have a poor reputation and so does meth, Heroin, bath salts, etc. However, it's not the drug; ppl need to stop blaming the drugs and take responsibility for their own actions. Hamilton Morris summarizes how I feel about drug reputations here:

i have no idea how similar they are though. just that they are both disassociates.

Not very similar. DXM is a weird, shitty feeling dissociative I'd estimate 2 out of 3 people do not care for, myself included. It's not a great comparison, honestly.

And I have no problems dosing PCP accurately. I think it's much easier with 'angel dust', when it's a dry powder easily weighed. Dipping a cigarette into a jar of wet PCP is kinda reckless in terms of accurate dosing. Have you higher than a giraffe's wig, though… However, with careful metered dosing onto, say, mint leaves, it can be controlled much more easily.

i assume dxm is easier to accurately dose...

Depends on how it was acquired, if it's in solution with anything else, and other factors.

i'm guessing a lot of people just have problems cause it's a cultural thing to not really care about weighing it out correctly.

I don't know about that. Let's be careful not to stereotype. And you should consider using Duck Duck Go perhaps instead of Google.

like a good dose of lsd can probably get a person to cut their dick off and that doesn't really have as bad of a wrap..

Whoa take it down a notch with the dismemberment obsession, would ya? And it's "bad rap". A "bad wrap" is a gyro that gives you food poisoning, lol

i know some people that are pretty careless about dosing that to people too though.

LSD has a fairly robust safety profile.

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PCP ain't like lsd or shrooms. Nasty stuff and I remember watching the show Cops… The cops were able to subdue him, but PCP is a nightmare waiting to happen.

Come on, man; please do us a favor and stop spreading fear-mongering stories about PCP. Yes, caution is absolutely advised, and I'm not downplaying the potential for danger that exists with virtually any drug, but part of the problem is that stories like this tend to cultivate fear and hatred toward these substances, and bc the cultural perception of it is built this way, there's a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy regarding these drugs. Consider how Cannabis use has gone from being something people did secretly to something people do openly in about a 10-year span. Because the cultural perception of it is different, people don't feel the same shame they once did, and consequently there is less problematic use of the drug and less psychological baggage society attached to it.

This same thing is true of all the demonized drugs: PCP, meth, Heroin, cocaine, bromo-DragonFLY, α-PVP, etc. Relevant:

 

[unodelacosa]

What would m-OH PCP be with numerical annotation?

So the 'm' here is short for 'meta' which references the 3-position. Similarly, 'para' denotes the 4-position. In other words, it's what many call 3-HO-PCP, a personal favorite disso.

m-OH PCP is more complex to make so I'm wondering if it's being made in China and smuggled in.

Yes, that checks out.

Also, relevant:

 

[Juicewrldfan]

No, there are way more incidents than just Andre Johnson dismembering himself. For example, the rapper, Big Lurch killed his roommate and ate her heart bc he thought she was the devil. He's serving a life sentence because of this incident. And there are many more. Dose and personal inclination toward psychotic breaks plays a role in this. That said, this kind of response is uncommon, and PCP is a schedule II drug – it's the pharmaceutical dissociative, Seronyl.

One of my favorites, in fact. I've had some of the most profound drug experiences in my life on PCP and its 3-substituted analogs.

That's a bit reductive to blame the media. Irresponsible drug use and improper dosing are also factors. And the drug is not for everyone. Those inclined to mental illness should avoid it for sure. But yeah, PCP folklore is very much a product of the 1970s that's managed to stay around for decades.

The concept of a drug "having a use" is fucking stupid, especially since we allow law enforcement agencies to determine this supposed utility of each drug, despite not being qualified to do so.

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Yeah that's true. There's another famous tale of rapper Big Lurch who killed and ate part of his roommate bc he was convinced she was the Devil or something along those lines, IIRC.

Unbelievably low numbers, I'm sure. Suicides are probably more likely. You have better chances of hitting the lottery, probably, but dosing recklessly doesn't help I'm sure.

Not really.

There are a lot of Salvia stories I've heard about. Also synthetic cannabinoids have a poor reputation and so does meth, Heroin, bath salts, etc. However, it's not the drug; ppl need to stop blaming the drugs and take responsibility for their own actions. Hamilton Morris summarizes how I feel about drug reputations here:


Not very similar. DXM is a weird, shitty feeling dissociative I'd estimate 2 out of 3 people do not care for, myself included. It's not a great comparison, honestly.

And I have no problems dosing PCP accurately. I think it's much easier with 'angel dust', when it's a dry powder easily weighed. Dipping a cigarette into a jar of wet PCP is kinda reckless in terms of accurate dosing. Have you higher than a giraffe's wig, though… However, with careful metered dosing onto, say, mint leaves, it can be controlled much more easily.

Depends on how it was acquired, if it's in solution with anything else, and other factors.

I don't know about that. Let's be careful not to stereotype. And you should consider using Duck Duck Go perhaps instead of Google.

Whoa take it down a notch with the dismemberment obsession, would ya? And it's "bad rap". A "bad wrap" is a gyro that gives you food poisoning, lol

LSD has a fairly robust safety profile.

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Come on, man; please do us a favor and stop spreading fear-mongering stories about PCP. Yes, caution is absolutely advised, and I'm not downplaying the potential for danger that exists with virtually any drug, but part of the problem is that stories like this tend to cultivate fear and hatred toward these substances, and bc the cultural perception of it is built this way, there's a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy regarding these drugs. Consider how Cannabis use has gone from being something people did secretly to something people do openly in about a 10-year span. Because the cultural perception of it is different, people don't feel the same shame they once did, and consequently there is less problematic use of the drug and less psychological baggage society attached to it.

This same thing is true of all the demonized drugs: PCP, meth, Heroin, cocaine, bromo-DragonFLY, α-PVP, etc. Relevant:

Why is the concept of a drug having a use stupid? I didn’t speak on whether I believe government should determine its use.

It’s just a simple fact, that most drugs even scheduled 1 drugs have a medicinal use. It’s just whether the benefits outweigh the risks and perhaps government shouldn’t have as heavy hand in deciding whether they have a use or not but that has nothing to do with what I was referencing.

 

[Jnowhere]

There are 2 main large cities in America where PCP was very big in the 1990's
Philadelphia and Washington DC. I lived in the suburbs of both for a year. I heard first hand accounts of people going crazy on this drug. From the drug users I knew. They even had the good sense not to mess with it.

 

[deficiT]

There are 2 main large cities in America where PCP was very big in the 1990's
Philadelphia and Washington DC. I lived in the suburbs of both for a year. I heard first hand accounts of people going crazy on this drug. From the drug users I knew. They even had the good sense not to mess with it.

Yeah it's still popular in the DC/Baltimore area. Can't speak for Philly, but it's not that far away so likely is.

 

[AlsoTapered]

It's interesting that the MAJORITY of people who use PCP do not go on to do awful things.

It's just that a drug that at one produces potent stimulation AND dissociation, it's merely going to result in move VISIBLE signs.

I'm sure ketamine has been taken by vastly more people than PCP ever has been. But if someone takes too much ketamine, they pass out.

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

It's interesting that the MAJORITY of people who use PCP do not go on to do awful things.

It's just that a drug that at one produces potent stimulation AND dissociation, it's merely going to result in move VISIBLE signs.

I'm sure ketamine has been taken by vastly more people than PCP ever has been. But if someone takes too much ketamine, they pass out.

I once had coke so pure that I thought I had done pure pcp. Pure coke is a beast and I dont know why I thought it to be pcp, but god damn it was wild. Ofc I went to drive a car after too many lines while a friend was in psychosis.

 

[AlsoTapered]

What I understand of high-doses/overdoses of PCP produce a cyclic response. People will tend to be stimulated, sedated, dissociated and back to stimulated.

I imagine that it why the US police had such bad experiences. They see someone dissociated, go to arrest them only for the user to enter a mixed stimulated/dissociated state.

Unpredictable is the adjective that I read again and again.

I've often thought it must be like high-dose (R) ketamine.

 

[Jnowhere]

Yeah it's still popular in the DC/Baltimore area. Can't speak for Philly, but it's not that far away so likely is.

I remember it was around in DC when I lived in suburbs in Maryland for a a year
Heard about and no one would go near that shit, in the area I lived for a year, but you hang out a little with the " bad kids" you hear things.
My first year of College I went to a Satelite campus of Penn State in a really nice suburb of Philly and somehow I ended hanging with the druggie/ quasi hippies, some who would score various drugs in Philly, no one wanted PCP, but it was around then
I once heard a list of ingredients to make it and was horrified.

 

[deficiT]

I remember it was around in DC when I lived in suburbs in Maryland for a a year
Heard about and no one would go near that shit, in the area I lived for a year, but you hang out a little with the " bad kids" you hear things.
My first year of College I went to a Satelite campus of Penn State in a really nice suburb of Philly and somehow I ended hanging with the druggie/ quasi hippies, some who would score various drugs in Philly, no one wanted PCP, but it was around then
I once heard a list of ingredients to make it and was horrified.

I hear a lot of stories around the Baltimore NA community about people doing PCP, even to modern day so it's definitely retained it's popularity among anybody and everybody. Had a friend's dad who loved it too. Grew up in Maryland.

 

[Jnowhere]

It seems like it died in 70's and 80's in alot of other places. Like it should.

 

[Jnowhere]

Too much PCP and they will be Naked, violent and have almost super human strength and big problems

 

[AlsoTapered]

I remember it was around in DC when I lived in suburbs in Maryland for a a year
Heard about and no one would go near that shit, in the area I lived for a year, but you hang out a little with the " bad kids" you hear things.
My first year of College I went to a Satelite campus of Penn State in a really nice suburb of Philly and somehow I ended hanging with the druggie/ quasi hippies, some who would score various drugs in Philly, no one wanted PCP, but it was around then
I once heard a list of ingredients to make it and was horrified.

The bulk synthesis combines huge volumes of extremely volatile solvents and extremely toxic and flammable reagents WITH seeming simplicity.

I've said how I think the Chinese are doing it - their common trick of mislabeling the reagent dissolved IN the solvent as the solvent alone.

Clandestine labs are a great way of showing why synthetic street drugs aren't safe but PCP labs... wow! Dozens of 55 gallon drums containing solvent/reagent and so said 55 gallon drums become the reaction vessels.

I don't think you need to be a chemist to get the idea of what 55 gallons of diethyl ether or THF will do if the fumes come into contact with an ignition source.

A quick Google of 'PCP lab' and 'fire' reveals that large and often deadly fires are the MAIN way law enforcement gets involved.

 

[foodcrisis]

No, there are way more incidents than just Andre Johnson dismembering himself. For example, the rapper, Big Lurch killed his roommate and ate her heart bc he thought she was the devil. He's serving a life sentence because of this incident. And there are many more. Dose and personal inclination toward psychotic breaks plays a role in this. That said, this kind of response is uncommon, and PCP is a schedule II drug – it's the pharmaceutical dissociative, Seronyl.

One of my favorites, in fact. I've had some of the most profound drug experiences in my life on PCP and its 3-substituted analogs.

That's a bit reductive to blame the media. Irresponsible drug use and improper dosing are also factors. And the drug is not for everyone. Those inclined to mental illness should avoid it for sure. But yeah, PCP folklore is very much a product of the 1970s that's managed to stay around for decades.

The concept of a drug "having a use" is fucking stupid, especially since we allow law enforcement agencies to determine this supposed utility of each drug, despite not being qualified to do so.

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Yeah that's true. There's another famous tale of rapper Big Lurch who killed and ate part of his roommate bc he was convinced she was the Devil or something along those lines, IIRC.

Unbelievably low numbers, I'm sure. Suicides are probably more likely. You have better chances of hitting the lottery, probably, but dosing recklessly doesn't help I'm sure.

Not really.

There are a lot of Salvia stories I've heard about. Also synthetic cannabinoids have a poor reputation and so does meth, Heroin, bath salts, etc. However, it's not the drug; ppl need to stop blaming the drugs and take responsibility for their own actions. Hamilton Morris summarizes how I feel about drug reputations here:


Not very similar. DXM is a weird, shitty feeling dissociative I'd estimate 2 out of 3 people do not care for, myself included. It's not a great comparison, honestly.

And I have no problems dosing PCP accurately. I think it's much easier with 'angel dust', when it's a dry powder easily weighed. Dipping a cigarette into a jar of wet PCP is kinda reckless in terms of accurate dosing. Have you higher than a giraffe's wig, though… However, with careful metered dosing onto, say, mint leaves, it can be controlled much more easily.

Depends on how it was acquired, if it's in solution with anything else, and other factors.

I don't know about that. Let's be careful not to stereotype. And you should consider using Duck Duck Go perhaps instead of Google.

Whoa take it down a notch with the dismemberment obsession, would ya? And it's "bad rap". A "bad wrap" is a gyro that gives you food poisoning, lol

LSD has a fairly robust safety profile.

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Come on, man; please do us a favor and stop spreading fear-mongering stories about PCP. Yes, caution is absolutely advised, and I'm not downplaying the potential for danger that exists with virtually any drug, but part of the problem is that stories like this tend to cultivate fear and hatred toward these substances, and bc the cultural perception of it is built this way, there's a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy regarding these drugs. Consider how Cannabis use has gone from being something people did secretly to something people do openly in about a 10-year span. Because the cultural perception of it is different, people don't feel the same shame they once did, and consequently there is less problematic use of the drug and less psychological baggage society attached to it.

This same thing is true of all the demonized drugs: PCP, meth, Heroin, cocaine, bromo-DragonFLY, α-PVP, etc. Relevant:

i feel like everything you said is probably true except for "LSD has a fairly robust safety profile", at least in my area... i've gotten dramatically different strength blotter from the same group of people... ime lsd analogues that they are selling from research websites are always really accurately dosed, not really with lsd that people are laying on blotter on the streets. i guess they do have those test kits that will show about how many ugs are going to be on the tab too, but i've gotten ten strips that one end of the strip is soaked with liquid and the other one isn't... i also met a kid that was selling some type of research chemicals, he put out ten sugar cubes in front of me, and every time he would dose a cube twice, he'd laugh about it. idk. i'd think maybe people like to give people a strong trip every now and then or dealers might have less product and give out some less strong cigarettes or whatever they are putting it on some times.

i'm gonna guess unless it was just a made up rumour, some one else must've cut their dick off. it was definitely a rumour when i was a kid... maybe that dude just heard the rumour and then made it a reality though. i really don't know... i just don't think high dose lsd or pcp with out knowing the dose is really safe... i'm not even saying it should be illegal... just a great deal of precaution to go around it.