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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy 2C-E Thread - ver. 3.0

Classic phenethylamine underdise purgatory. I feel ya.

I thought Psychestim's recommendation of dissolving the whole batch and then dusting volumetrically from that was about the most reliable and reasonable way of estimating your dose going forward for the whole batch.

Happy travels!
 
Classic phenethylamine underdise purgatory. I feel ya.

I thought Psychestim's recommendation of dissolving the whole batch and then dusting volumetrically from that was about the most reliable and reasonable way of estimating your dose going forward for the whole batch.

Happy travels!
i wanted to be a good psychonaut, doing an allergy test and starting with a 10mg dose. Especially because I have only had a couple other phenethylamines (once 2ci, once 2cb fly) so Its rather uncharted territory for me. I was going to redose a couple milligrams at the 2 hour mark (ie dissolve a pill and mouthsuck 1/5 of it) but I was starting to have moments pretty nutty sensations (floating out of my body), and I didn’t want to do something stupid and take too much. Just, after that the trip never went anywhere else, and I missed my redose window.

I wonder if I didn’t like 2cb fly because I underdosed? I took 10mg, and I recall having that purgatory sensation, neither here nor there. I still have 40mgs of that bad boy, maybe I’ll give it another shot.

Btw i took an anti nausea medication at the same time as taking the 2ce (cuz why not) and I had minimal nausea. Slight sweating, slight tachycardia, Come down was easy, didn’t feel stoned like I do after most psychedelics but maybe that’s because I didn’t take enough.
 
I wonder if I didn’t like 2cb fly because I underdosed? I took 10mg, and I recall having that purgatory sensation, neither here nor there. I still have 40mgs of that bad boy, maybe I’ll give it another shot.

Yeah, probably so. 10mg is an underdose for most people. 2C-B-fly has a strong body presence (though the first time I ever tried it, which was a different batch - from 2006, the first batch ever released - had an extremely light body presence), so if you don't dose enough to get the full positive effects, it's likely to produce mostly negative side effects. I find this to be true of pretty much all of the phenethylamines in particular.
 
2C-B-FLY is a weird one. 20mg is standard for a pleasant, somatic experience for many people I know. 10mg is too much for me (well, not too much but a reliably psychedelic +++, so I need to go in expecting that.) For a lot of people, it's questionable that it's even psychedelic, but I have one friend that rates it in their top 3 and gets the best visuals of any psychedelic from it, which I find truly weird.
 
2ce always dosed around 17-20mg, amazing visuals, the visuals get overwhelming at the higher end but the headspace is kind. But damm, it just makes my guts contract uncomfortably, it's not nice and hangs for a solid couple days
 
2C-E used to be one of my favorite compounds of all time. It's always been a bit rough mentally and physically for me, but the afterglow was always worth it.

The last time i tried it, was 19mg and I told myself I wasn't going to look at my phone especially the news. Well I dunno about 2.5 hours in, mostly out of habit, I checked the news.

GLOBAL PANDEMIC! WORLD IS POSSIBLY ENDING! ARE THEY GONNA CLOSE STATE BORDERS?!

it ended up being possibly the most stressful trip I've ever had. I think I just paced around freaking out until I thought I could pass for normal in public. I immediately went to the liquor store, and drank half a bottle of whiskey and knocked myself out eventually.

Maybe someday I will try it again, but I've really been enjoying and preferring 2C-T2 these days. I actually find them similar to a degree that's hard to explain. In terms of intensity. But with T2, the more i take it, my body seems more comfortable with it, i have had zero body load the past few times.

2C-E probably has the worst body load out of any psychedelic I've tried. Along with DPT.
 
I remember 2cb being somewhat visual for me. A lot of pastel colors and especially fun to look at cloud patterns like Charlie said. I took 2cb and went to see Contagion at the movies. A pandemic movie when that stuff was basically only fiction.

Come to think of it, I haven't used a psychedelic that I wouldn't describe as visual. Some trips are less so, but I've gotten visuals from all the psychedelics I've tried.
 
I remember 2cb being somewhat visual for me. A lot of pastel colors and especially fun to look at cloud patterns like Charlie said. I took 2cb and went to see Contagion at the movies. A pandemic movie when that stuff was basically only fiction.

Come to think of it, I haven't used a psychedelic that I wouldn't describe as visual. Some trips are less so, but I've gotten visuals from all the psychedelics I've tried.

For me, I feel like, in general, I tend to experience less visuals than most people report, with most things. But the 2C-Xs in general are quite visual for me, and 2C-B is among the most visuals of them. It's not the most interesting of the visuals, though, it's just very colorful and bright, and everything is embellished, it's quite saturating in the visual field. It's the "persian rug"-style visuals, quite predictable in nature, not anything that is mind blowing in any way, just pretty.

2C-E can be even more visual, but sometimes, it hasn't been all that visual. Seems to be quite trip-dependent (not dose-dependent though, unlike 2C-B which is quite dose-dependent). 2C-E's visuals, when they're pronounced, are unpredictable and pretty profound, including things such as seeing fractals of breathtaking complexity, emerging from the air, things becoming so altered as to be unrecognizable as they get farther away from my eyes (for example, I was watching TV and I was like wtf am I watching? It looked and sounded like some hostile blue/green alien from Star Wars or something, shouting gibberish... then when I walked closer to the TV, I was able to see it was the Pope giving an address - lol). And large-scale perspective shifting/breathing, like a whole mountainside appearing to breathe. Then other times, it's not all that visual. 12mg can be very visual, then 16mg can be not that much some other time. I've only taken 18mg a few times but it was always very visual. Never taken more than 18mg, never plan to. 10-12mg produces an experience that can be difficult at times and is quite strong.

2C-E can be very visual, but the sense that is the most profoundly altered, which is also a consistent effect for me, is my hearing. It has an incredible audio enhancement/distortion that is really unique. If I listen to music, I feel like I can hear every intricacy of every note of every instrument as if it were happening slowly enough for me to observe it, crystallized in place, or something. Yet it doesn't actually sound slow, it's like my brain is able to comprehend a massive level of detail and also think about it, in a tiny amount of time. My ears also feel incredibly sensitive to the most miniscule sounds or qualities to sounds, but without feeling like everything is too loud and without being overly sensitive. And my sense of wonder and awe is at full tilt, too, so the experience of listening to music is just unparalleled on 2C-E. It's really unlike any other psychedelic in that regard.

It doesn't stop with music, either. 2C-E makes me really sensitive in a similar way, to all sounds. Listening to the "silence", I realize how not silent it really is. Every single tiny little noise, I feel that I can glean so much information and experience from. One time in particular stands out, I was on maybe 14mg, or 16mg, and on my deck, at my house I live in now, but along time ago. It was summer, and night time, and I was outside. The night forest sounds were a symphony, I could hear absolutely everything, down to a tiny little twig breaking or leaf rustle, all at the same time. All of it was registering.... every tree frog or insect calling out, every leaf rustle... no matter how quiet, I could hear them all, but not just hear them... I could point to the exact spot each sound was happening, I could also thinking about what it was, what made it happen, etc. And the forest here at night is LOUD and, well, it's a jungle... tons of stuff going on. It seemed like I could hold any amount of sensory input and accompanying thought, all at once, effortlessly. So cool.
 
Yup. Amazing description of the musically enhancing effect of 2ce. I know just what you mean about hearing the subtlety of every single note. On my early 2ce trips, it often felt like the song was being performed *for* me, the lyrics written specifically for me in some way. Even if it didn't resonate on a personal level.

I've seen one of my favorite bands (minus the bear) on 2ce, that was quite an experience.

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I even have a Pandora radio station named "Good 2C" based on the song Good to Sea by Pinback and the fact that music is so damn good on 2ce :)
Going to see Pinback in Philly next month!

There are a good handful of songs that still take me back to ~2009 when I was heaviest into 2ce.

Another notable thing I experienced on most 2ce trips was how intricate the CEVs could be, and how they would correlate beautifully with the music. I would spend a portion of each trip laying in my bed with music playing, and watching these "soundscapes" play out behind closed eyes. It was often various female forms (like "women" made of fiery flame energy) that would morph into other forms and various objects. Not "just" random fractals that I might be more likely to see on LSD.

I really like how you described the "crystallizing" nature of 2ce. I don't think I would have came up with that description myself, but it totally fits. Before than minus the bear concert, I was vaping from my volcano style vaporizer, and the crinkling of the bag, and the exhaled vapor cloud held such a profound visual effect for me..this crystalization that you described. Ahh, the nostalgia...too bad that 2ce and 2cb both give me noticeable side effects - a bad headache and usually some gastro issues.
 
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Yes, it's a great music enhancer and fantastic for dancing too. Full body music listening. The high resolution audio and music perception, combined with hyper enhanced body awareness and fluidity make it a perfect dance drug. I'd take it over MDMA (almost) any day.

For raving I've taken it at 10-12mg and found that to be a total sweet spot (with a little bit of tolerance going on). Over that is a bit too heavy for me for a party context. Can go under that to great effect as well, just turned down a bit. 2C-E is pretty strong, even at 2mg it has effects, which is getting low enough that you need to do volumetric dosing unless you have a very expensive scale.

A safe bet party dose would be 8-10mg if you ask me.
2C-D for the low key club nights, or warmup nights at the festival, 2C-E for the big nights. It has the right kind of sharp detailed crystalline potency and a good duration.
 
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Welp, I'm reporting a 2nd hand experience. A friend of mine was recently given 100mg of some of 2C-E. After an already long night of partying, he went into his room and snorted what he thought was ketamine. It was most of the 100mg of 2C-E.

Well, he immediately knew what had happened because of the burn and he was tripping within minutes. He said it was an extremely difficult and intense trip lasted 10 hours, there were multiple freakouts, but nothing too serious, he was able to sleep, and when he woke up he said he had a new mental clarity that he says he's still feeling to this day and that the trip was something he had really needed but didn't know.

What's interesting is his only other experience with 2C-E or even any other research chemicals was also a stupidly large dose of 2C-E over ten years ago and then a little dabbling with MXE, which really turned him off RCs. I doubt he'll be touching 2C-E any time soon, but it seems to have really opened up his mind about psychedelics other than LSD.
 
Wow, most of 100mg of 2C-E? That's a such a whopping dose. Even 20mg seems massive to me. It's really fortunate that he was able to navigate it and that he is even reporting beneficial after-effects. I wonder if he tried rinsing his nose out after he realized what he had done?
 
That is such an insane dose about the equivalent of taking 200mgs orally, cant even imagine the power of such a thing. Ive taken 60mgs orally once and it was just too much and something that i never repeated. Blacked out for a few hours during the peak and tripped face so hard the rest of the night i could barely see thru the visuals. Didnt freak out or anything but im pretty experienced tripper and have done very large doses of Lysergamides and Tryptamines.

Back in 2011 there was a situation in the midwest at a party where a teen brought a bag of 2C-E and it was like half gram and he broke it up into large lines split between 5 people nasally. One of them died and others were hospitalized with freakouts. This case was used in reference for them baning the 2C-x when the bill came up that year which led to them being scheduled. Amongst the deaths reports from the 2C-T-x compounds that happened years prior (which had already been used to ban some other compounds years prior circa web tryp, sorta double dipped there).

Your friend is very lucky, this series of drugs and most Phenethylamines can be quite dangerous in overdose situations when used intranasally in particular. Im happy that he is okay and gained something from the experience, needs to be careful tho and avoid mixing things up like that and labeling his psychedelics.
 
lesson in why you label your drugs
It was labeled, he was just high and didnt read.

Yeah I'm really impressed too, I personally probably would have had a bad time. To me 2c-E is pretty much the most intense psychedelic I've encountered besides 5-meo-dmt, and I've only taken it up to 25mg oral.
 
Welp, I'm reporting a 2nd hand experience. A friend of mine was recently given 100mg of some of 2C-E. After an already long night of partying, he went into his room and snorted what he thought was ketamine. It was most of the 100mg of 2C-E.

Well, he immediately knew what had happened because of the burn and he was tripping within minutes. He said it was an extremely difficult and intense trip lasted 10 hours, there were multiple freakouts, but nothing too serious, he was able to sleep, and when he woke up he said he had a new mental clarity that he says he's still feeling to this day and that the trip was something he had really needed but didn't know.

What's interesting is his only other experience with 2C-E or even any other research chemicals was also a stupidly large dose of 2C-E over ten years ago and then a little dabbling with MXE, which really turned him off RCs. I doubt he'll be touching 2C-E any time soon, but it seems to have really opened up his mind about psychedelics other than LSD.
Damn, the effects must've been be so ridiculous, props to him for powering through and somehow feeling better after, especially with such little psychedelic experience.. Strong guy

I used to love 2C-E, but like 18+mg and you're also suffering a little tbh, it requires such tremendous (mental and physical) stamina that didn't always make it worth the extra strength in effects. I ended up concluding that 14-16mg was best for me, with some scale inaccuracy leaving some things up to chance. It induces a fantastic way of thinking, it always suited me very well. It really is a shame I can't really take these drugs anymore.
 
2C-E is pretty much a kick arse mescaline type drug, rather than a lightweight 2C-C/B/I type, (well larger doses take no prisoners). Dissolved in say 70% ethanol by volume (rest water), will probably outlast us (it's the strength of ethanol soln for preserving biological specimens).
2C-D is a gentle psychedelic, 2C-E, as stated, is very mescaline like. 2C-P scares me, it is so fucking intense.
As mentioned, we really have fuck all idea about consciousness and brain function, so best to tread carefully...
 
Actually, 2C-E produced a ++++ experience, where I understood that nature is based on one simple blueprint. A real epiphany.
I have made mistakes with 2C compounds (80mg of 2C-I, IM, thinking it was ketamine. Rapidly found vial of ket, injected an anaesthetic dose and hoped it would make it bearable. Only lasting effect is a weird form of HPPD, where car brake lights can become briefly multiple images, at night. Not dangerous, as I can see and understand everything else about driving. After the initial IM mistake, all I could perceive was basic shape, vivid visuals, for about 8 hours.
Isn't enough money in world to convince me to repeat that, even with adequate supply of ketamine. Because of that, any soln of 2C-E was in ordinary small bottle, not one with silicone/rubber seal. Fuck knows what 80mg of IM 2C-E would have done...
 
The closest I have come is 2CI. I presume I inhaled a fair amount when the lab exploded. I think that's a ---- experience.
 
2C-E is pretty much a kick arse mescaline type drug, rather than a lightweight 2C-C/B/I type, (well larger doses take no prisoners). Dissolved in say 70% ethanol by volume (rest water), will probably outlast us (it's the strength of ethanol soln for preserving biological specimens).
2C-D is a gentle psychedelic, 2C-E, as stated, is very mescaline like. 2C-P scares me, it is so fucking intense.
As mentioned, we really have fuck all idea about consciousness and brain function, so best to tread carefully...

I am actually way more nervous about 2C-E than 2C-P. I don't find 2C-E very mescaline-like at all, personally. Mescaline, to me, even at 550mg orally of pure mescaline, was gentle and loving and comfortable, I felt very much in the driver's seat. every time I've taken mescaline (every other time has been cactus), I feel a boundless love, almost MDMA-like. I haven't found it very visual, and it feels really great in my body and mind.

In contrast, 2C-E feels emotionally neutral, godlike almost, It has a heavy bodyload and is a difficult experience, very rewarding though. I have had at least period of heavy anxiety and difficulty on every 2C-E trip I've had. It's also extremely visual for me.

Actually, 2C-E produced a ++++ experience, where I understood that nature is based on one simple blueprint. A real epiphany.
I have made mistakes with 2C compounds (80mg of 2C-I, IM, thinking it was ketamine. Rapidly found vial of ket, injected an anaesthetic dose and hoped it would make it bearable. Only lasting effect is a weird form of HPPD, where car brake lights can become briefly multiple images, at night. Not dangerous, as I can see and understand everything else about driving. After the initial IM mistake, all I could perceive was basic shape, vivid visuals, for about 8 hours.
Isn't enough money in world to convince me to repeat that, even with adequate supply of ketamine. Because of that, any soln of 2C-E was in ordinary small bottle, not one with silicone/rubber seal. Fuck knows what 80mg of IM 2C-E would have done...

I also had one of my few +4 experiences on 2C-E. I watched what I can only describe as the 5th dimension spread out before and behind me, wider as the moments progressed forward and backward. If the 4th dimension is time, and its plane is the entire spacetime continuum from beginning to end, it is just an infinitely thin slice of the 5th dimension, probability, a different arrangement of how things could have gone in the history of spacetime. I could see alternate paths branching out... I step forward, I step left, I step right, I don't move. I saw that spread behind me... I could have not been here, I could have been over there, I could stayed upstairs, I could have not taken 2C-E. It was overwhelming. I also had a thought loop that was slowly dismantling all of my rationalizations as to why I existed and this wasn't an illusion, and the peak was, I woke up from the dream, and I was a single, dimensionless point in an abyss, infinitely lonely. I struggled back and wanted my/our dream to continue. I felt I had doomed all of existence to end, even if it wasn't real, it was a lovely dream. No matter how horrible it can be, it was better than empty nothingness with no one and nothing. I considered cutting my wrists or throat with a kitchen knife that was nearby, to save us all, but thought no, you very well might just be tripping the most balls you've ever tripped, ride it out.

It was terrifying and incredible, and altered my conception of things.

Every other 2C-E trip I've had was not like that, though. Although extremely intense, still. I consider 2C-E the most intensely psychedelic compound I've done (though I still have a few to check off my list, like 5-MeO-DMT and DPT)
 
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