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Is Opiod withdrawal easy?

IME methamphetamine withdrawal is absolutely nothing compared to opioid WD.
It’s a pretty uncomfortable experience and time seems to slow down when you’re feeling miserable. But at least quitting opioids is not neurotoxic and potentially life-threatening like benzo WD.
 
4meSM said:
IME methamphetamine withdrawal is absolutely nothing compared to opioid WD.
It’s a pretty uncomfortable experience and time seems to slow down when you’re feeling miserable. But at least quitting opioids is not neurotoxic and potentially life-threatening like benzo WD.
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Meth wd is psychological while opioide is physical and psychological.
 
Kizaru said:
Meth wd is psychological while opioide is physical and psychological.
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In my opinion even the "psychological" part of opioid wd is worse because it feels like all of your emotions come back at once, along with anxiety and restlessness.

Meth wd is not terrible if you don't abuse it too much. Basically by not taking massive amounts, not staying awake for long periods of time and supplying your body with water and some nutrients. The temporary depression and general lack of motivation suck but can be overcomed, especially with the help of other non-stimulant drugs (though I have to say that it carries the risk of making your addiction worse).
 
4meSM said:
In my opinion even the "psychological" part of opioid wd is worse because it feels like all of your emotions come back at once, along with anxiety and restlessness.

Meth wd is not terrible if you don't abuse it too much. Basically by not taking massive amounts, not staying awake for long periods of time and supplying your body with water and some nutrients. The temporary depression and general lack of motivation suck but can be overcomed, especially with the help of other non-stimulant drugs (though I have to say that it carries the risk of making your addiction worse).
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With meth you can just be depressed, use benzo's sleep and eat while recovering .
 
It depends on your resilience and your motivation levels. As well as the severity of your physical dependence, to what substance, etc

I personally have kicked opioids many times and I'll do this for months or years at a time. A couple times it's been pretty rough, but I generally don't experience the soul crushing WDs some people do with their opioids.

But, when I've made that decision then that's it. Opioids are a definite number 2/3 on my list of habits which are amphetamines, and then I follow between alcohol and or opioids sometimes. I have benzoes prescribed but I take them as needed and often less than what I'm scripted.
 
Kizaru said:
With meth you can just be depressed, use benzo's sleep and eat while recovering .
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Heavy meth habits definitely have physical withdrawal as a component. People think it's not as severe and as Ill or flu-like as opioids so that means it doesn't exist or it's not bad.. but people kick their opioids more often than their amphetamines. The psychological components like depression aren't a joke either.

Psychological problems are problems in your whole world in your head. They're harder to combat than the physical in either opioid wd or meth. Personal experience and fact. Addiction is mental. Dependence is physical.
 
Joey said:
Psychological problems are problems in your whole world in your head. They're harder to combat than the physical in either opioid wd or meth. Personal experience and fact. Addiction is mental. Dependence is physical.
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It's crazy how people think 'physical' is automatically more problematic/traumatic than 'psychological' when speaking of withdrawal, and I'm in no way negating the severity of physical withdrawal, hell no.

Of course the first 4/5/6 days opiate withdrawal is torture physically, similar goes for nicotine...and we're all aware of the benzo/alcohol nightmare with extra added death threat.

But if the physical part was de facto worse, then we wouldn't have the huge relapse rates which often occur way, way after the physical symptoms have subsided. Can take fucking years...decades...of on/off psychological torture before it wanes fully...if it ever does
 
Mind and body are not truly separate entities.
They are intertwined and each affects the other.
But if I had to break it down in terms of how horrible WD feels, it would be:
1. Alcohol
2. Benzos
3. Opiates/Opioids
4. Coke
5. Meth
6. Nicotine
7. Caffeine
8. Cannabis

These are the WDs I've experienced personally.
I don't know much about RCs or the other newer chemicals that kids these days are into.
Edit: I'm hooked on kratom but I've never abstained long enough to feel detox symptoms
 
Oh, yes indeed. Opiate withdrawal is really easy and very funny.
My advise, tho, is you don't try and experiment it yourself as it could be too much fun and you could get overwhelmed by so much joy.
Seriously speaking, don't believe what you read or what people say. 7 days is far from a recovery time for a proper opiate habit , and if the opiate you are detoxing from is methadone, opium, poppies, then at the 7 days mark, the actual wds are only about to start. That's the raw true believe it or not.
Benzos can help, but only to a degree. Just like a sugar spoon in a gallon of water, it's something, sure, but it won't make it sweet.

I allways said that an active stimulant addiction is worse than a opi one, but when it comes to wds... just give me the stimulant every day of the fucking week.
ageingpartyfiend said:
It's crazy how people think 'physical' is automatically more problematic/traumatic than 'psychological'.

Of course the first 4/5/6 days opiate withdrawal is torture physically
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You are right, both are two bitches, hard to tell what is worse.
But again, 4/5/6 days of torture only goes for short acting opiates, if you are coming from long term use of a long acting opi, you can expect physically torture to last close to a month. A mont of agony.
And then, of course, the phycological party.

So, no OP, opiate wds aren't easy.
 
Señor Moreno said:
Oh, yes indeed. Opiate withdrawal is really easy and very funny.
My advise, tho, is you don't try and experiment it yourself as it could be too much fun and you could get overwhelmed by so much joy.
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Also, your alluding to the difference between long- or short-acting opioids is a crucial point. This is where it comes down to subjective personal preference for suffering.

Withdrawing from heroin (real heroin) is intensely, violently horrible...but the acute stage only lasts for about a week.

Withdrawing from methadone is unpleasant, sort of like having the flu....but it lasts for a month or two and feels like an eternity.
 
It is absolutely like you say, Jasper.
It's up to each one to choose between the wild torture from H/morph or the eternal misery from opium/methadone.
What a dark choice to make, my God!
 
I have personally experienced full withdrawals from:

-GBL/GHB: horrible, felt acutely life threatening but was easily treated with some benzos, lasted only a few days

-Benzos (xanax, valium, various RC Benzos): bad withdrawal, endless insomnia, bad anxiety, got a seizure once, but overall not too terrible

-Cannabis: total joke, a few shitty nights and grumpy for a few days, not really addictive

-Kratom: felt shitty but fully functional, lasted a week, moderate insomnia, some nasty PAWS

-Speed: Slept for two days, moderate fatigue for some time, nothing really

-Morphine (high dose poppy pod powder): Holy fu****g s**t, this was like torture, worst week of my life, easily. Felt like dying. Worst WDs by far.


Conclusion: Opiate WDs are really, really bad, especially if you used long acting stuff such as poppy pods, methadone or subutex.
 
RC-Lover123 said:
I have personally experienced full withdrawals from:

-GBL/GHB: horrible, felt acutely life threatening but was easily treated with some benzos, lasted only a few days

-Benzos (xanax, valium, various RC Benzos): bad withdrawal, endless insomnia, bad anxiety, got a seizure once, but overall not too terrible

-Cannabis: total joke, a few shitty nights and grumpy for a few days, not really addictive

-Kratom: felt shitty but fully functional, lasted a week, moderate insomnia, some nasty PAWS

-Speed: Slept for two days, moderate fatigue for some time, nothing really

-Morphine (high dose poppy pod powder): Holy fu****g s**t, this was like torture, worst week of my life, easily. Felt like dying. Worst WDs by far.


Conclusion: Opiate WDs are really, really bad, especially if you used long acting stuff such as poppy pods, methadone or subutex.
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Acute ghb/gbl withdrawal definitely feels like you gonna die but overal doesnt last that long . Tremors are bad though , easely managed with baclofen and some benzo's like you said .
 
This has to be the dumbest question I've seen on here so far.

Yes people get on Suboxone & Methadone for the rest of their lives because it's so just SO easy!!!

Most of OP's post are generally ridiculous rhetorical questions like this. And whenever somebody gives them an answer, they get condescending & then try to act like that person doesn't know what they're talking about.

Meth has a come down, but it's not technically a "withdrawal" in the same sense as opioid or benzo or alcohol withdrawal. Your body isn't "dependent" on meth.
Personally I'll take opiate withdrawals over meth withdrawals but that's only because the effects from using opioids are worth it versus the crash from meth (which is a shitty drug that turns people into self absorbed weirdos). That doesn't mean opiate withdrawals are any easier than a meth come down. Obviously both suck but with opioids, there's an actual physical dependence there & if you use opioids long enough, you might not ever really recover from it & will need an opioid to feel "normal" possibly for the rest of your life. No meth addict "needs" meth to feel "normal" unless they have a severe case of ADHD or something. The two discontinuation syndromes aren't even really comparable IMO, other than the fact that some of the symptoms overlap (i.e. - no energy, body pain, depression, etc..)

It also comes down to personal chemistry. A person without severe depression could probably dabble with some opiates & get through the withdrawals just fine.
Where as a person with major depressive disorder is gonna have even worse depression in withdrawal, which obviously means it's going to be tougher for them.
 
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When I was heavily into meth (for a couple years) I actually kinda enjoyed the comedown.
It was a relief to be able to sleep after a 4 or 5 day run. Also, the intense hunger had me enjoying food on a level I never knew possible.
 
jasperkent said:
When I was heavily into meth (for a couple years) I actually kinda enjoyed the comedown.
It was a relief to be able to sleep after a 4 or 5 day run. Also, the intense hunger had me enjoying food on a level I never knew possible.
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I would never use meth if i would not have a comedown counter like benzo's/opioides/ghb .
I do speed sometimes (not meth but amphetamine) combined with ghb , whenever i go 3 days i feel completely fine cause with the ghb i am not paranoïde/i can eat/i could get some hours of sleep if needed / heart rate is slow/ lower bp .
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
It also comes down to personal chemistry. A person without severe depression could probably dabble with some opiates & get through the withdrawals just fine.
Where as a person with major depressive disorder is gonna have even worse depression in withdrawal, which obviously means it's going to be tougher for them.
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This is quite true. I had horrible physical withdrawals from morphine, absolute insomnia, intense pain in lower back and legs, projectile vomiting and diarrhea, skin burning like fire, extreme restless legs, psychotic thoughts after not sleeping for five days in a row. I could not even stand up for more than a few seconds, my condition was almost comically bad.

BUT: I do not suffer from depression or anxiety at all, so that the extreme discomfort was only physical. From many reports I read, a lot of addicts go through extreme depression when they stop opiates, even become suicidal. I was only in really bad pain and discomfort but there was no despair, no darkness and no cravings for morphine, I just wanted that shit out of my system.
 
jasperkent said:
When I was heavily into meth (for a couple years) I actually kinda enjoyed the comedown.
It was a relief to be able to sleep after a 4 or 5 day run. Also, the intense hunger had me enjoying food on a level I never knew possible.
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Same here:) I was totally addicted to amphetamine, ended up plugging multiple grams per day as my nose and stomach were both trashed from snorting and swallowing the stuff. Whenever I had to stop, I actually enjoyed the comedown, the extended sleep and finally eating again. Always consumed again after a brief recovery, though....
 
Opioid withdrawal can indeed be easy, when you use the correct medication to skip it. Dissociatives this is, or specially memantine. I stopped a 600mg/d morphine habit without a single day of withdrawal. The downside is that I'd use again in an instant if I had access to a supply. But no, I don't think actual opioid withdrawal was easy. The depression/anxiety and cravings are terrifying but the absolute worst is the restlessness. Yet, as jasperkent has said already, there must be worse addictions to kick like benzos or alcohol. The primary problem with opioids is not to get but to stay clean, because every relapse during the first months of abstinence does trigger withdrawal again.

Once I got withdrawal from stims, meth to name it, after just 1-2 weeks of daily, low dosed use and I got into tears with no reason out of depression. This is definitely not nice but by far easier than the horrible restlessness of opioid withdrawal. Otherwise the comedown of stim binges just locked me into bed for 1-2 days and then I was good again.

What is comparable to opioid withdrawal though is the w/d of short acting serotonergic antidepressants like venlafaxine after being on it for a long time. Horrifying.
 
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