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A drug similar to an opiate but without being an opiate?

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I'm looking to something that resembles opiate effects but its not really an opiate (to avoid tolerance building and rotating drugs to avoid dependence).

For example so far I've discovered Pregabalin. That would be a good example of a "downer" that is similar to opiates. Of course its not an opiate but I mean is more closer to them than is Meth you know ?

Avoid benzos because I really dislike the effect. Also phenibut neither since it wrecks my stomach can't take it anymore (but would be a good example).
 
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I would say kratom or tianeptine would be decent options. Both good for benefits on pain and anxiety. Moreso kratom as it is less dependence inducing and doesn't build up tolerance quite as fast as tianeptine.

Now, keeping in mind these are both "opioids", but they are not "opiates" as they are not made from the opium poppy. Kratom is a partial agonist while tianeptine is a full agonist.

There are also the gabapentinoids to which pregabalin and phenibut are related. Such as baclofen, gabapentin, and if phenibut didn't sit well with you, maybe f-phenibut would.

All of these substances are safer overdose and addiction wise than typical opiates, but they still come with their own issues so make sure you do plenty of research before committing to anything.
 
Opiates to kratom yes, kratom to opiates no, IME

Then again, I've never taken kratom on the absurdly excessive level that I read about sometimes on this website
 
i would think the cross tolerance between kratom and traditional opiates is significant.
It is as significant as most other opioids imo. After taking kratom for years and years I certainly always have a fairly high tolerance.
 
Kratom works better for me than hydrocodone; but I am on 40mg/day methadone; kratom somehow works better than vicodin
 
Branching off from DXM, memantine is another option. Like DXM (& dissociatives in general), it's an NMDA antagonist, but unlike DXM (or ketamine), it doesn't act as an SNRI.

Orphenadrine is both an NMDA antagonist & an SNRI but also has potent anticholinergic effects that make it both deliriant & dissociative.
 
I think it's interesting that people find dissociatives like DXM to be opioid-like. That's never been my personal experience...
 
Never had the pleasure.

The only dissociatives I really have experience with are DXM and MXE...I never really enjoyed feeling "dissociated" (in contrast to opioids, which are enjoyable imo) so I never really felt the desire to explore further, plus it wasn't really offered in the local drug market where I'm from, it was more of a rarity I guess and I never really encountered it.

If someone offered me some I'd probably try some, though, just to check that box lol
 
It depends on whether you are looking for a drug which mimics an opiOID or an opiATE. Opiates are naturally occurring opioids like heroin and morphine while the definition of an opioid is any substance which attaches to mu opioid receptors, so stuff like Kratom or buprenorphine are included.

I think it's interesting that people find dissociatives like DXM to be opioid-like. That's never been my personal experience...
DXM is an atypical one, it is somewhat dirty/promiscuous and even a real opioid with affinity to mu (first it was called an opioid because of sigma affinity. Then after sigma was dropped as an opioid receptor because it doesn't induce any relevant effects, so DXM was dismissed as an opioid. Nowadays we know that it does dock to mu but with a very weak affinity and its main metabolite dextrorphan is an antagonist at mu).
But I found methoxetamine indeed to be much like what I'd imagined an opiate high must be like. Dissociatives were my first drugs, long before I got my hands wet with real opioids/opiates. The highs are indeed different and I guess an experienced user could blindly discriminate between a disso and an opioid but when you know only one group of substances the attempt to describe one will quite fit the other. Words are limited when it comes to emotions and drug effects. Even DXM can feel quite opiatey as in cozy warmth, hazy dreaming while awake states etc. DXM won't get you nodding as it's a strong norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor though. MXE was stimulating as well but more 'opiatey' than DXM if you ask me. Nodding isn't possible on dissociatives but will almost always happen on opioids when dosed high enough.

Weird thing is that we have some dissos with relevant mu affinity, e.g. the 3-HO ones like 3-HO-PCE/P but I found them to be less similar to an opioid than e.g. MXE.

Ketamine - for this I would first have to sample some pharm grade ket straight outta a vial because so much stuff is going around labelled as ketamine but might be god knows what research chemical. Basically there are two variants of the various K I've biosampled. The nice one has hints of psychedelis, is warm, stimulating and smooth. The bad one is cold and clinical, feels edgey and not really euphoric. One guess would be that this were the two R-/S-isomers and everything in-between a racemic mixture but I'm not really sure as the descriptions of R-ketamine differ wildly from almost inactive to a pure DRI and whatnot.

But overall I loved MXE exactly for its similarities to an opioid high. The acute morphine high (acute: dosage taken without tolerance or seriously upped - chronic: same dosage taken daily) is quite dissociative-ish. The nodding marks the opioid but otherwise it would fit. This subsides with every same dosage taken and isn't as sustainable as dissociatives are. Also they don't come with a physical addiction/withdrawal at least unless seriously abused.
 
I would recommend only kratom for this. Black seed oil (nigella sativa) is a common potentiator that tickles the mu-opioid receptor. I've noticed quite a mood lift from it at times, helping with anxiety. No telling what'd happen if you megadosed it, probably big stomachache.

But as someone with a dependency on kratom, the more black seed oil I took the less I wanted to take kratom. The first few times I took black seed oil I felt an amazing mood lift, and that's pretty common actually. Took the straight oil first few times, but switched to a powder extract of its main constituent thymoquinone. I think the oil might have more benefits overall.
 
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